Aluminum Zirconium Tetrachlorohydrex And You!

I dunno, anything that discourages people from wearing deodorant smells like a skunk to me. Bear with me here;

The Powers That Be understand that information, and those who seek it out, are both their biggest weakness and their greatest asset. Information can hurt them only if people can be persuaded to accept it. Thus there has long been a concerted effort to discredit dissenters. Accusing leftists of being communists, dosing anti-war protesters with nasty hallucinogens and turning them loose in front of cameras and convenient charges of "terrorist leanings" against dissenters are all tricks that flourish in the same hedgerow. What makes them even more effective is that they are actually fueled by the personalities and predilections of their targets--if a popular and outspoken actor seems a *little* soft on Communism, paint them as the second coming of Trotsky. If an intellectual is known to use hallucinogens, give him a particularly nasty dose. If a critic of the government is angry, use her own words to make it look like she wants to burn America to the ground. That way the illusion looks in character, looks plausible.

Many conspiracy enthusiasts are already on the fringes of their social groups and their work cliques. They're already aware of sidelong glances and the occasional snicker as they leave the break room. How do you further ostracize someone already on the fringes? Two words: Personal hygiene.

The Powers That Be plant information in news articles that makes people paranoid to take care of themselves. The blind masses, the uninitiated, aren't going to pay attention to this stuff anyway, it is directly aimed at those who crave information, who hunger for Truth. Next thing you know, people who are interested in the Truth, who have enough information to be persuasive and therefore dangerous about all sorts of issues from UFOs to who killed JFK, are utter pariahs. It already fits the stereotype of the outlandish, poorly bathed, all too intense outcast as a conspiracy theorist.

If you walk around smelling like a homeless shelter, you're playing right into their hands.

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Its a possibility in theory - and well done in bringing it up, but seeing as a number of aluminium free alternatives have been suggested in the thread, and deodorant itself was never questioned - i think any damage the thread has had to that effect has been pretty much neutralised

toothpaste

It doesn't matter the form of the aluminum. If your body absorbs it, you are introuble.

Here is something else to think about:

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Now then you should become aware that if you alkalize your body you will not need dodorant. The smelly sweat is from your body's attempt to detox.
Why do you suppose it is that sweaty children do not smell bad?

Be aware tho that stress will change your chemisty causing odor at times of stress.

Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
Typical.................


Who cares right?

No, no we care. ATS just has a way of letting the gold get buried.

I apologise but I haven't had time to read through your OP, but I did want to chime in while I can anyway. I've avoided anti-perspirants and the like for quite some time for exactly the reasons you stated.

I've heard scientists, not 'crazy' ATS scientists, real-life credible people speaking about the dangers of aluminium and it's other spin-offs being put into anti-perspirants and deoderants. There is a real non-conspiracy side to this stuff and I wish people would take more notice of it. I've heard that the dangers range from skin irritation (I'd vouch for that!) to cancer and brain function being impeded.

So I'm with you on this. Avoid these if you can, the less chemicals in your life the better. Not that all chemicals are bad, but you can't really tell which are, or aren't, so the less exposure you have to them the less chance you have of encountering a 'bad' one!

You can buy cheap 'mineral sticks' that kill bacteria using naturally occuring salts and so on (I think that's the main ingredient? Correct me if I'm wrong) that work wonders but don't contain chemicals.

My 2c as usual, take it with a grain of salt. Sorry OP I didn't have time to fully read your post.

Wow thats why i got the skin tags in my arm pits! Like 4 in each arm... I use anti perspiration for as long as i can remember. I sweat a lot. Stick deodorant breaks me out in a rash so i started using spray antiperspirants. I stop sweating and smelling bad. I guess i need to switch back to just regular deodorant but it doesn't work, I am always hot and i smell of sweat. I am not fat, it is just me. I guess i could try natural alternatives.

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No no, we care... and I thank you for pointing it out to us. (myself included)

I would like to share a little personal thing that until now I had chocked up as just.. well... a sensitive skin issue.

In my 30 some years I have never used Anti-perspirant, more of a de-odorant kinda guy myself, maybe it's just my metabolism or something... but when I am active I usually sweat more from my back/chest/bald forehead (and other areas that wouldn't feel right applying some speedstick...) A year or so ago, I picked up some AP when I was shopping... just to change things up a bit, and it was cheeep. Within a week of using it, I noticed that my armpits were a little sore one morning... after the morning shower I put some on, yowza! Burning would be the sensation. Eventually I got used to it, and was using it daily... no irritation whatsoever. A few months later, I was breaking out with skin tags pretty badly and also, the under arm sensitivity came back... but I just thought it was because I was so used to the "old brand" or something. Even the old DEo stuff burned.

Once again, I just got used to it? Business as usual. Back to High Endurance... until it runs out.

This time around though... I will just let everyone else get used to my odor.

Stay funky,
T-

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
That being said....
Anti-perspirant does happen to include Al, but, as said before, so does many foods. In fact, "In general, approximately 95% of the normal daily intake of aluminum for an adult comes from food"

I am going to question that answer with some questions, if you don't mind.

If a said 95% of daily normal intake of Al does come from food (in theory) what that basically tells me is this:

Food is broken down in the digestive tract, and eventually enters the sub-systems of the body... and eventually into the blood system of the body. Right? Anything absorbed into the body also enters the bloodstream... right?

The Ingestion Issue

Now first and foremost, did that said study happen to examine the cookware used to prepare the food?
What if the Al content was high in food preparation? Would that not also be absorbed by the digestive system? It would end up in the gastro-intestinal tract, and hopefully that was the area of study otherwise your point is moot.

Secondly, what was consumed... food wise? Do the labels not tell what is really lurking inside for your daily allowances? Is Al one of them? I would think so, the same goes for Magnesium, Potassium, etc.

Lastly, do we truly know if it was ingested orally, or absorbed via the skin?

With all due respect, I'm Just wonderin'.

If it all ends up in finality in the bloodstream, then once again... the point is moot. Either way, it gets there somehow.

Thoughts?
T-

I had a lump under my arm, the doc lanced it and I was on my way to healing, no real explanation for what caused it but it was going away, yeah! It didn't go away, it came right back, when I started using my deodorant again. I used both spray and stick, alternating, and when I went back to my brilliant doctor, she said that I shouldn't use the deodorant, that it stops up the pores and causes infections like this to happen, but never mentioned any other risk. She recomended I use the spray only.

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[edit on 26-7-2008 by space cadet]

My odor is strong. When sweat stays on me too long, and it dries and comes into contact with air around it...it starts kicking up a storm. I've tried deodorant, but this does not help very much. Speedstick 24/7 Antiperspirant seems to be quite effective...but, now you're telling me to find an alternative?

Any suggestions?
Things you should know;
I'm not fat, do not eat much meats, in fit and well shape, I sweat a lot, and baking soda isn't doing the job quite right to last throughout a day.

With that being said...give me some options to work with here.

Originally posted by patrickrpg
I bulid aircraft, I grind, cut drill and do all sorts of bad things with aluminum, Steel titanium and sevral difrent composite materials. Am I going to be 40 yearold retard or a brain muching freak

I have a friend that works with cars for a living....

He said that he was taught that aluminum was neurologically dangerous...

He normally wears gloves when dealing with aluminum car parts but a body man must use his bare hands with certain things and he finds this dangerous.

Sanding aluminum has got to be even more dangerous!

I would love to hear an experts opinion!

Anyone?

I have been trying to be more aware of what I put into/on my body and I found out all this with aluminum and I got rid of my deodorant and found one that works for me that is non toxic. I never imagined of things deodorant could do such damage.

I've been avoiding aluminum in deodorants for a couple of years now.

Adidas used to make a very good antipersperant without Al but now I can't find it. Tom's or JASON brand are very very good!

reply to post by IMAdamnALIEN


Aluminum Zirconium Tetrachlorohydrex Gly is not absorbed through the skin like regular aluminum. No risk. Any swelling is caused by an allergic or other type of reaction, and not because you're bieng poisoned.

There seems to be some confusion here as to the difference between the normal scent that people have and BO. Everyone has a smell that you can never get rid of. The smell changes with body chemistry (which is to some extent determined by genetics), what you eat, and also your environment. When you sweat a lot the scent will be more apparent, but that’s not the same thing as BO. Body odor of the real variety smacks you in the face like pepper spray and sticks to it’s surroundings. It’s the result of colonies of bacteria that feed on the excretions of sweat glands, and those colonies can spread and survive. As mentioned earlier, the PH of the body is important, as these critters love acidity. Real BO contaminates (Seinfeld episode anyone?), while normal sweat smell is quite mild, even for a garlic eater like me. Here’s a hint: if you have a washed shirt that still stinks like a homeless person; that’s BO.

Thanks OP!

I checked my deodorant and it contains this substance, so it's in the trash now.

I've been using this stuff for about the last 5 years, but not even 5 days a week.

Just how much of this stuff is in there, and how much is absorbed?

I'm paranoid about aluminum for cooking - it is thought that this is the primary source of aluminum in older people, when aluminum pots/pans were the norm.

[edit on 1-8-2008 by mirageofdeceit]

Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
Just how much of this stuff is in there, and how much is absorbed?

That depends on the brand. The label should tell you the concentration of AZT.

As for the amount you absorb, not quite sure.....

I would assume you could work it out mathematically.... But it would be different for each person, as some dont have hair and some do....

I guess it would depend on how much actual contact with the pores upon each application.

You bring up a point that has been discussed here on this thread, but not in any detail.

I asked how older people came into contact with aluminum through daily routines......

Soda cans, and canned foods were brought up, but but not cooking untensiles.....

Were they using aluminum to cook with back in the day?

I would guess something else was the culprit but I could be wrong, it has to be something obvious.

Thanks for the reply and heeding my warning!


Great work!

I played it safe and switched to a Crystal Stick, and it works better.

We use stainless steel cookware, on the assumption that it is stainless because it is less reactive to acids, etc., and therefore must leave less material in the foods.

Also, I have been told to use glass when possible and stay away from canned foods (fresh is much more nutritious anyway).

Felt I could add something here to the discussion. I'm an occasional lurker and have never posted before....

My mother was advised by a doctor/surgeon, in the mid 1970s, about the suspected link between anti-perspirants and breast cancer and I was not allowed to use them all the way through high school because of this discussion with him...(not helpful with nylon blouses as part of the uniform.)

She was told about the link by the doctor/surgeon who was treating my Grandmother for Breast cancer. I seem to recall being told that studies had been done which found Aluminium in the tumours.

(My Grandmother died shortly after this) and my mother seemed adamant that I should avoid the stuff.

I've avoided anti-perspirants wherever possible since then. I use a Japanese spa deodorant on days when I can't get away with using nothing.

When I've mentioned being told about the suspected link to people before, few have listened. It's now becoming more talked about.

It just doesn't seem right, does it? blocking your body's waste disposal system.

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Thank you for your reply!

I am sorry for your loss

Thanks for sharing your story, its much appreciated

Originally posted by sdrawkcabII
Any suggestions?
Things you should know;
I'm not fat, do not eat much meats, in fit and well shape, I sweat a lot, and baking soda isn't doing the job quite right to last throughout a day.

With that being said...give me some options to work with here.

This has been old news in the Health Food Store industry for over 30 years. Anyway....

I've found that this is the best solution offered. It stops the stink (perspiration odor is caused by bacteria). But you still perspire.

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