Stunning Speach by Barack Obama.......

Originally posted by LLoyd45

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
My take on this is that if he DID talk about all those things, he wouldn't have as much "acceptance" as he does now. The man is running for president. If he spoke publicly about the stuff in your post, he would be another Ron Paul, ostracized to the sidelines of this election as a conspiracy nut or "too radical".

Obama is walking a line. He can't go too far either way or he'll be out of this thing.

That's what I think, FWIW. (about 2 cents)

So what essentially your saying is: "the ends justify the means"? It's okay for Obama to intentionally misrepresent himself to the voters simply so he can win the election?

No that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that he is representing himself EXACTLY the same way in which we Obama Supporters are representing ourselves. We all know this, and we all realize how the Ultra Right and Left (read: Lunatic Fringe) attempts to demonize people who speak truth to power too frequently, so Obama chooses his battles wisely before he gives a speech, as we all do about these issues.

He is no where near mis-representing the constituency which supports him. Because that which he speaks about in public we also support. We know he is the hero America deserves.

[edit on 21-7-2008 by Quazga]

We know he is the hero America deserves

OMG - isn't that being a bit premature and putting the Cart before the Horse? Try using logic and facts instead of making a bold assumption the he is some kind of Hero that is going to save America.

Get a grip.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Are you asking me what I said? Because it's right there - I said what I said. If you need help reading, I can't help you. Maybe you should read it again. But I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth.

I put no words in your mouth BH, that's what you said in so many words.. I just found it odd that you'd think such a self-serving approach was acceptable for a potential POTUS..

So, did you have something to say about the "Stunning Speech by Barack Obama (which is the topic of this thread)? Or did you want to put words in my mouth some more?

Well, on topic , it was boring and essentially a lot of self-serving rhetoric.

I also fell asleep again while reading it. If you honestly believe I misrepresented what you said.. then clarify what you did mean..


[edit on 21-7-2008 by LLoyd45]

Originally posted by Quazga
No that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that he is representing himself EXACTLY the same way in which we Obama Supporters are representing ourselves. We all know this, and we all realize how the Ultra Right and Left (read: Lunatic Fringe) attempts to demonize people who speak truth to power too frequently, so Obama chooses his battles wisely before he gives a speech, as we all do about these issues.

Are you suffering from a multiple personality disorder Quazga? I was unaware of the fact that you were Benevolent Heretic..

He is no where near mis-representing the constituency which supports him. Because that which he speaks about in public we also support. We know he is the hero America deserves.

[edit on 21-7-2008 by Quazga]

You, I mean Benevolent Heretic, said it was okay for him to do so to avoid being marginalized like Ron Paul. What exactly has he done that's heroic by the way?

It's amazing how similar you and Benevolent Heretic sound in your postings. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were one and the same person. I wonder..


[edit on 21-7-2008 by LLoyd45]

Ooh.. wait.. here's a new thought:
Republicans think that Obama is Anti-America, Democrats think he is a Hero
That's because he's a politician and this is mostly a character battle, with a tad of war debate thrown in.
How about this- Neither candidate is going to fix all of America's problems, and they will probably have trouble dealing with the economic downfall that we seem to be headed towards.

We worry and debate war, but what about the depreciation of the dollar, what about the private federal reserve system slowly strangling the ability of Americans to live a decent life. What about the illegal confiscation of wages through the despotic acts of judges and the IRS.

These politicians do not address the real problems because they are either afraid or part of the problem;Only one has the guts to take on the money masters, Ron Paul. I wish Americans would come out of their cocoon and force the debate of the real issues that are about to destroy our way of life. America is over 8 TRILLION in debt to the federal reserve.(private banks) Ask your selves who profits from wars? Follow the money.

For me I have a bad feeling about Obama but I can't get my finger on it and even more things I see and hear I like senator mccain more as he makes more sense to me..

saying that.. If the USA choses Obama it would be good for Europe not for the USA.. That people want Obama has partly to do with the battle in Iraq , Afghanistan and the coming confrontation with Iran.. but if Obama becomes president .. the dollar will fall even more and Euro will rise. The oil / opec nation will all switch to the Euro making the dollar even worth less.

I am not racist and I don't want to sound like it but Obama will put the middle east and africa before the well being of the USA.
And for me that is not what is needed.. we need a firm and strong backbone towards the Middle east and Africa. And not one who keeps on talking talking talking with no kind of action taken when needed.
Otherwise nations like syria , iran ect will run not only over the USA but also over Europe.. and I don't even russia and china being overrun by states like Iran and syria and there views on how thing have to be.

this is my view and opinion. And I am glad I am still able to say what I like to say .. eventhough some forces in my country the Netherlands want people to bind in and stop saying things they think.. they want the end of free speech and nations in the middle east are pushing it through mosques ect.. and we need a world stage leader against those things happening against Danmark , The netherlands and other nations around the world and Obama as leader as the strongest and most powerfull nation will not make that happen.. and I see more in Mccain but as I said that is my view.

I'd like to send a message to those who actively post negatively about Barack Obama, or hold negative opinions of him that you wish to express and make others share. When you are writing that post or reply or comeback or whatever it may be .. in your mind .. are you doing so in full knowledge that the only other result than an Obama Presidency at this point is a Mccain Presidency? I am not saying that disagreeing is supporting the enemy, but really, if you do succeed in convincing people that Obama is such a bad guy, you do realize the end result will be a Mccain Presidency and that you are unintentionally assisting such a result by doing so? Is this okay with you? Is this what you'd prefer?

Just wondering..

Put it this way. At this point, America is all we have left. An Obama Presidency will clearly spell the end to America as we know it. He is a Marxist and wants to rewrite the Constitution based on the old Russian Constitution.

We do not want a dictator. Larger than life government and taxes will be the stage for allowing consolidation of control in every corner of Congress.

More Americans are getting the truth about Obama that they cannot and will not find via the MSM. Let the truth be known and the freedom bell ring.

[edit on 21-7-2008 by jetxnet]

Originally posted by runetang
I am not saying that disagreeing is supporting the enemy, but really, if you do succeed in convincing people that Obama is such a bad guy, you do realize the end result will be a Mccain Presidency and that you are unintentionally assisting such a result by doing so? Is this okay with you? Is this what you'd prefer?

Just wondering..

Yes. I'd prefer a McCain Presidency FAR more than an Obama Presidency, and I don't like McCain.

Obama is nothing, and I sincerely mean NOTHING more than a figure-head chosen by the richest, most mercenary men in the world to do their bidding. These men, headed by George Soros, have ZERO loyalty to the U.S. people. If they are short the dollar, which they probably are, they will do what they can to further devalue the dollar at the expense of the American economy.

Obama is such a fake. It's very transparent.
I will concede that he is articulate when reading from a prepared speech, however he is not the brightest bulb in the package when thinking on the fly.

With everything from him saying the U.S. has 57 states to recently when he stated as President he would fight the terrorists for the next 8 to 10 years......WHAT????........8-10 years???
The last time I looked at the Constitution he can only serve for a maximum of 8 years.

Here is the video. Skip to 8:00 into the interview to get to the part in question.



[edit on 21-7-2008 by WhatTheory]

Very well put out speech indeed!


Obama you'll be the first president that I'll ever be voting for and...hopefully not the last.



Best Regards,

Rich.

No one has talked much about the content of Obama's speech..I find that interesting and sad really -

THE MARSHALL PLAN - General Marshall was no fringe person folks - he was the real deal - an American hero - a brilliant man - and responsible for the recovery of a world devastated by war and the loss of 60 million souls....Obama referred to him several times in this speech...this is significant because the Marshall plan has not been employed with regards to Iraq or Afghanistan...the greatest strategic plan of the post WWII recovery has been left to rot replaced by the business interests of Halliburton, and other pirates of our great multinational corporate boondoggle......so all you patriots out there that have anything NOW have it because of a great generation of men and women that took on evil, won, made peace and repaired the damage to friend and foe alike under the guidance of General Marshall....I suggest you read up on Marshall because if Obama is serious (and thats always the big question with EVERY politician) then he's onto something that could make a difference....

Will he do it? I don't know - will McCain do it? Most definitely NOT - he is in the camp of the neo-conservative fascists who have no intention of using the success of the Marshall plan as a guide and have proven their incompetence, and treachery over and over again...

1)our troops had to fight to get amour for their trucks - wtf????

2)our 9/11 first responders are dying cause the current government does not give a rats a$$ about them...

3)oh and Bin Laden still walks free...(oh forgot - Bush is a close friend of his family)

4)The Saudis have never been called to account for 9/11 planned on their turf, executed by their nationals.....(oh forgot, Bush is a close friend of the Saudi Royal family and they own a lot of our T-bills)

5)We have an institutional policy of torture that comes from the top down but when the sh!t hits the fan the men responsible for the orders make a few low level soldiers take the fall...oh thats sooo bloody heroic....

So when I hear someone reference the Marshall Plan - I'm all ears....not necessarily all belief mind you but willing to listen...part of me is extremely cynical at this point in my life...I see the faces change but the agenda always seems to stay the same, favoring the "military industrial complex" - remember Eisenhower's warning? My father was on his staff and that was the code phrase for ""fascism"....








[edit on 21-7-2008 by realshanti]

I love the craftwork of the FICTION/FANTASY writers!!! While within the framework of Obamaism, no way are those his words nor is it unplanned natural cadence.

This time its real good but still some obvious things that the trained eye and ear can pick out.

In acting school you are taught a couple guiding principals to get you started. One is the **NEVER look at the camera** and the other **if you must use script aids (teleprompters/cards) you use a "sticky" eye to continue reading while your head is already moving to the other script aid ready to lead the eye to the right cue**. Obama knows all about the sticky eye and employs it better than a leading soap opera star! The only things he says that are his own words or are taking a conscious effort to make believable are when he looks forward with an intent gaze for a brief second. These are his own words or points of extreme conflict for him and the most obvious.

When he mentions the sound energy / independence ideas he HIGHLIGHTS the inclusion of BUSINESS in the model. Not true independence but a type of energy that can still be MILKED.

Listen to the applause again and again when it 'cuts in'. If there were really that many people there, he would have gazed to the center more often and probably wouldn't have seen a camera prompting him to accidentally look in the camera's direction while scanning the crowd of faces. It's just not his speaking style, speech or "event" as its said to be laid out.

Forget about it fanboys, they are all the exact same sketch comedy acting troupe! It's starting to look like the cast / spotlight turnaround of SNL in the 90's or classic WWF wrestling chamionship titles. This is the black hulk hogan /white mr t, black mike myers or a white eddie murphy. LOL! Just who the hell is this man anyways? Why does he always seem opposite to what we think of him at any given time? I think he read 'the secret'! LOL!

There's still 2 or 3 other candidates running. Look into them.
This man may have been a prime pick but he's obviously been tainted as of late.

[edit on 21-7-2008 by Atlantican]

reply to post by shauny



So, this is the kinda thing I don't really understand from Obama. He says that Iran should not be allowed to get nuclear weapons yet bemoans all the steps that we have taken so far, when we have multilateral involved not only Europe but Russia and China in trying to get Iran to "see the light". He makes it seem like he has some great "new" idea to get Iran to negotiate away something that they seem intent on developing. On top of that he bemoans the steps taken as "not enough" yet his own potential policy is basically the same thing. His focus on the diplomacy has and is being tried and it's not working, why would he be able to do things differently? Does anyone here really think that Obama, if diplomacy in Iran fails, would call for military action against Iran? I don't.

He just confuses me.


[edit on 21-7-2008 by pavil]

Obama would just pull out of Iraq prematurely and Iran would take it over and then go after the rest of the Middle East.

Iran will pretend to be our friend and then bully Africa. Of course, this is where Obama will draw the line but too late. Iran will have already gained way too much power to be stopped effectively.

Obama would reduce America's military and we'd be ripe for some new attacks and defenseless. Our military would have no offense capabilities either and China will take over Japan and much of Asia.

When it comes to leadership do not look at the sexuality, race, or culture. As long as a person leads the people to change then this can and will be done.

Obama knows what it is to be on the ground facing the dirt but he also knows how to mingle with those who put others in the dirt. He knows how to stabilize people through speech and understanding, and he can do this naturally without any outside help just from way of talking.

You ever get one of those people you just don't like for no apparent reason and then you get one of those people who you like without question? This man Obama is the one people like without reason other then something within yourself being drawn to this "Truth" that he has for change. He is not even president yet and has made more speeches that George W. Bush can't even comprehend! Because if George W. Bush could comprehend what Obama was talking about he wouldn't have left Katrina in the storm, he wouldn't have left the soldiers in Iraq, he wouldn't have bombed innocent Iraqi children and their families, he wouldn't be waging nuclear war with countries (i.e. Iran). In the time Obama has been pushed into his position by the people and for the people there has not been a man like him since the days of JFK.

I pray nobody tries to stop this man because he has the strength of not turning away from the people in America and he has the power to make change literally take place within the first year he is elected as president. If Bush can get these puppet politicians to sign bills that should not be signed then Obama can get bills signed that NEED to be done.

Originally posted by clg79
In the time Obama has been pushed into his position by the people and for the people there has not been a man like him since the days of JFK.

I pray nobody tries to stop this man because he has the strength of not turning away from the people in America and he has the power to make change literally take place within the first year he is elected as president. If Bush can get these puppet politicians to sign bills that should not be signed then Obama can get bills signed that NEED to be done.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see what this man is really about!
JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Obama is the most liberal democrat in office today - or ever! The Liberals ask what can your country do for you! That is socialism. Socialism breeds weakness in the people and strength in the state. The socialist state is supreme because the people serve the state. That is the change we are headed for if this man is elected. He is the far left poster child and I fear him like the plague. Hitler was charismatic and promised change and the people hung on his every word. Beware of the great orator. He can talk you right out of your freedom.

Originally posted by Quazga

Originally posted by LLoyd45

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
My take on this is that if he DID talk about all those things, he wouldn't have as much "acceptance" as he does now. The man is running for president. If he spoke publicly about the stuff in your post, he would be another Ron Paul, ostracized to the sidelines of this election as a conspiracy nut or "too radical".

Obama is walking a line. He can't go too far either way or he'll be out of this thing.

That's what I think, FWIW. (about 2 cents)

So what essentially your saying is: "the ends justify the means"? It's okay for Obama to intentionally misrepresent himself to the voters simply so he can win the election?

No that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that he is representing himself EXACTLY the same way in which we Obama Supporters are representing ourselves. We all know this, and we all realize how the Ultra Right and Left (read: Lunatic Fringe) attempts to demonize people who speak truth to power too frequently, so Obama chooses his battles wisely before he gives a speech, as we all do about these issues.

He is no where near mis-representing the constituency which supports him. Because that which he speaks about in public we also support. We know he is the hero America deserves.

[edit on 21-7-2008 by Quazga]

Why all the silence Quazga? Did you forget who you were supposed to be in this little sock puppet show of yours when you made your reply?

I was posting to Benevolent Heretic, yet you responded as if you were Benevolent Heretic? What gives here?

Lloyd, what you are doing is called "trolling". People many times ignore trolls.

Trolling

Messages intended solely to annoy and/or offend other users by going against the clear nature of a board, topic or chat room

deliberately provoking arguments on newsgroups or bulletin boards, with no other intent than to gain attention for the sake of attention.

I would guess that's why you're being ignored. Have something else to say about the speech?