Iran rules out suspending enrichment program

reply to post by Trayen11


Yeah true Iran hasn't started a war in hundreds of years.Yeah there was Iraq and Iran war.Which Iran kicked the daylights out of them.But Iran is no longer lead by Ayatollah Khomeini..its ran by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad whos is also a former hostage-taker,executioner of dissidents,wicked past as a hostage-taker,a terrorist,an assassin,and an interrogator.Hes stated many times in the past that he wants to eliminate Israel and when given the means he would attack that country without probable cause and hesitation.So yeah GIVE Iran the nuclear capability....I think Not.

[edit on 19-7-2008 by alienstar]

Not true at all. Ahmadinejad is the spokesman yes, but the Ayatollahs reel him in frequently. He is NOT the absolute power in Iran by any means. He's just the voice you hear and the face you see. Dont think the Mullahs arent in charge because they are.

Originally posted by alienstar
reply to post by Trayen11

 

Yeah true Iran hasn't started a war in hundreds of years.Yeah there was Iraq and Iran war.Which Iran kicked the daylights out of them.But Iran is no longer lead by Ayatollah Khomeini..its ran by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad whos is also a former hostage-taker,executioner of dissidents,wicked past as a hostage-taker,a terrorist,an assassin,and an interrogator.Hes stated many times in the past that he wants to eliminate Israel and when given the means he would attack that country without probable cause and hesitation.So yeah GIVE Iran the nuclear capability....I think Not.

[edit on 19-7-2008 by alienstar]

reply to post by alienstar


I'm not speaking tot he morales of the leader of the nation, hell we can take a look at any nuclear power's leaders and have reason to fear them having thier finger on the button. What I was trying to convey was the audacity of world leader's saying "No you cant have them cause we feel threatened"

I mean come on Bush can create an elobarte story and feed it to his country to buy into it, and invade a country, just to finish the job his daddy couldn't, and to keep his country supplid with oil.

Knowing his finger is on the button of thousands of nukes makes me just as nervous. If we are goign to take a view point of looking at who should have that power, then show me one nuclear power's Leader who does not have a reason to be feared having the ability to launch those nukes.

Just to clarify, I never siad it's a good thing for Irn to have nukes, hell i dont think anyone should have that capability, all I'm trying to say is it's crap to tell a country they cant advance thier research when you yourselve have already done the research and have enough nukes to destroy the planet many times over.

[edit on 7/19/0808 by Trayen11]

reply to post by princeofpeace


Good point and mistake on my part.

As the Bush administration consistently points out, Iran is ultimately run by unelected, clerical leaders, and Ahmadinejad is not one of them. President Bush's opposite number in Iraq is really the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khameini. Khameini makes the final decision on all matters of security and foreign policy — including and especially the nuclear issue — although he typically abides by the consensus of the National Security Council. The Council is led by Ali Larijani, appointed by and answerable to the Supreme Leader, and a man who also ran for president against Ahmadinejad.

Ahmadinejad was inadvertently reminding the world that although he's the elected president, he does not actually run the country

reply to post by Trayen11


Yeah its does the good outweigh the bad?Whats Iran's real intentions of this reactor...only they know for sure.But does anyone want to take that chance?You right if they are a sovereign and peaceful country i don't think anyone would have that problem.I feel they aren't as though most world.Remembers its world powers (who's way many countries) that think they shouldn't have this.All the allied 28 nations of nato don't think they should.

Anyways we know what's mostly going to happen.Iran already refused to stop.In another sitdown in two weeks they will refuse again unless by some small miracle they give them a offer nobody can refuse.Which i know they wont.Iran is going to be attacked before Bush is out of office by Israel and the reactors will be gone.Debate over...its on a collision course that's going to happen.Since 2004 they refused.Offer after offer...military action after military action.We can't change this course.Only two countries can.

reply to post by alienstar


And i do agree with you for the most part that Iran having nuclear capabilities is a bad thing, but in my eyes any country having it is bad. I just find the whole thing hypocritical that's all.

Trust me when I say that i dont think they should have them, i just find it laughable that all these countries say they can't have them when most of them have probably aimed all thier WMD's at them.

Originally posted by alienstar
Anyways we know what's mostly going to happen.Iran already refused to stop.In another sitdown in two weeks they will refuse again unless by some small miracle they give them a offer nobody can refuse.Which i know they wont.Iran is going to be attacked before Bush is out of office by Israel and the reactors will be gone.Debate over...its on a collision course that's going to happen.Since 2004 they refused.Offer after offer...military action after military action.We can't change this course.Only two countries can.

I see the same thing happening, as I said in a pervious post, i'm just scared for my children whats going to happen when this whole thing goes down...hopefully Russia will not honor thier agreemet and just let Isreal take out thier reactors, but i can see it now, if Russia chimes in and aids Iran as they said on may occasions that they would, it could become ugly very quickly. If Russia becomes part of this game, then the USA will have no choce but to become involved, and when they do, China and korea will feel the need to opt into it, and if that happens we now have 4 major nuclear powers all fighting.

reply to post by Trayen11


Thats my point too. America and Israel have more Nukes than everyone, yet nobody cares.
It scares the hell out of me thats for sure.
I think Iran KNOW that America and Israel will atack Nukes or No Nukes, so they're trying to scare them away but its futile...

All this WAR hype sound way too familiar, where were iraqs WMDs?
How many died because of that bullcrap?
The way people/sheeple lap up the information they receive on the news is quite disturbing.

I can see the majority getting sucked into the hype again...

reply to post by v4vendetta


I hear you both and agree.But the train is in motion and its unstoppable.I have no idea whats going to happen after Israel attacks but if they are going to do it i hope its with few casualties and take those reactors out for good.

Anyone who justifies an attack on Iran is completely insane and I disagree, the train is not unstoppable. There's one thing that can stop it - The truth! and some sanity. The insane people who are forcing us closer and closer to war with Iran have absolutely no credibility whatsoever. They are the terrorists and criminals. Iran is damned if they do and damned if they don't. Do you honestly think that things would change if Iran came out and announced it had suspended it's uranium enrichment program. The Bush and Israeli admin (terrorist's) would simply come up with some other lame excuse, or simply lie some more. Anything to justify attacking Iran.

People who think that they can attack Iran and get away with a few casualties are living in cuckoo land. You attack Iran and they will retaliate in full and they will have every right to do so. Where it goes from there is anyones guess, but either way I imagine it won't be good for the middle east or the rest of the planet.

The west has no evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons and the CIA intelligence agency has published doucuments stating that fact. Everything that has been said about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been taken out of context by the western media whores and corrupt western governments and politicians. Unfortunately quite alot of people in the west are only too happy to buy into these lies, out of sheer ignorance and stupidity, but what's new.

When it comes to international law, to make a case for war, you have to have evidence to back your claims. Any government that goes around attacking countries based on lies, propaganda, and paranoia is truly insane and that just about sums up the Neocons, Bush and Israeli administrations. Hopefully there's still some sane people left in power who will see sense and put an end to all this talk of war with Iran, for the simple reason there is absolutely no justification for attacking Iran. They have done nothing wrong. Can you say the same thing about the real criminals and terrorists, the Blair, Bush and Israeli administrations.

The talks have ended without any results.

Again, I believe this could have been expected by the Bush admin. and will serve as a way to convince the world that they gave Iran every possible chance to end this diplomatically.

Talks on Iran's nuclear plans end in deadlock

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GENEVA: International talks on Iran's nuclear ambitions ended in deadlock over the weekend, despite the Bush administration's decision to reverse policy and send a senior U.S. official to the table for the first time.

The presence of William Burns, the under secretary of state for political affairs, represented one of the most important encounters between Iran and the United States since relations were cut after the Iranian seizure of the U.S. Embassy in 1979. It came as part of a moment of rare unity among the negotiating partners - the United States, France, Britain, Germany, Russia and China - who pressed Iran to accept compromise.

I think we can all agree that there is no way Iran is going to compromise. They have no desire to halt thier research and they are not going to anytime soon.

With Iran basically telling everyone to blow it out thier @sses, i expect Isreal, either with US backing or without it to send some missles over the border a couple days after the latest deadline passes.

And when happens lets all just hope it stops there and noone does anything else stupid.

Originally posted by Trayen11
With Iran basically telling everyone to blow it out thier @sses, i expect Isreal, either with US backing or without it to send some missles over the border a couple days after the latest deadline passes.

I would not expect Israel to act any time within days, but is possible within a wider time frame, weeks perhaps longer, and it will not be "some missiles" If Israel does launch anything at Iran I don't believe it will be anything short of a full all out assault with just about everything they have.

But then again, the Iranians could change position and want to have "talks" again... If nothing else it could buy them more time.

reply to post by kindred

Aww Kindred how can you blame the UK Israel and the US for being terrorists? You state you come from the UK, what's wrong with you? Why aren't you behind your country?
Why is it in your interest for the main pillar within The Axis of Evil to acquire nukes? Do you have some other agenda here? Do you admire those mothers who did 7/7?
The sooner we take out Iran (a proven state sponsor of terror) the better. Forget this surgical strike talk, it's just a temporary solution, we need to occupy then re educate the people like we did with the Germans. Make a peace loving people of them. The same can be done in the ME, a complete suucess. First step Tehran.

ufoorbhunter wrote:
Aww Kindred how can you blame the UK Israel and the US for being terrorists? You state you come from the UK, what's wrong with you? Why aren't you behind your country?
Why is it in your interest for the main pillar within The Axis of Evil to acquire nukes? Do you have some other agenda here? Do you admire those mothers who did 7/7?
The sooner we take out Iran (a proven state sponsor of terror) the better. Forget this surgical strike talk, it's just a temporary solution, we need to occupy then re educate the people like we did with the Germans. Make a peace loving people of them. The same can be done in the ME, a complete suucess. First step Tehran.

Nothing wrong with me and what I stand for. I think your post just sums up your ignorance. If by country you mean people, then you'll find that most British people think like me, and certainly don't want a war with Iran, simply because most can see through the propaganda bull**** and lies.

If by country, you mean government, then what I said stands and if our governmet supports any kind of attack on Iran. That attack will be seen as illegal by most people and they better prepare themselves for the biggest civil unrest this country has ever seen.

The fact you think I have some type of agenda, other than bringing some reasoning and sanity to this thread, just shows how paranoid you truly are. Seems to be the norm when it comes to certain American's here on ATS. Maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself, because all your doing is making them look bad. Thankfully they're not all like you.

I have no problem with the Iranian government aquiring nukes, because I don't live in a state of paranoia and fear like you and please if anyone is responsible for terrorist attacks like 7/7 and 9/11, it's people like you whose only contribution to this world is to peddle your bigotry, hypocrisy, hatred, and ignorance. Unlike you I subscribe to the truth and I respect all life and all cultures, no matter how different they are. Unfortunately that also includes people like you It's called tolerance....

In future don't waste my time and energy unless you can back up your claims with some evidence or proof. Bigotry, hatred and ignorance doesn't count.



[edit on 21-7-2008 by kindred]

reply to post by kindred


LOL nice post....have no idea what your saying or whos its directed towards.Iran is in complete violation if they disregard talks again by world powers.

reply to post by The_Alarmist2012


Russia, China, and Iran stand together.

Russia has warned the United States of Military response to or at a missile shield over there.

China wants oil and fuel

Iran wants power

Russia sees Iran as an ally in regards to $$

The United States has already cost Russia lucrative monetary deals after Iraq was destabalized during the last two wars. Ranging in the Billions of dollars...

Iraq was in debt to Russia for over 6 billion dollars before the U.S. led invasion, after the invasion Iraq's cabinet and government shut down, and Russia lost the 6 billion+ dollars.

The money loss to Russia isn't the story though, it's the U.S. seen meddling in foreign affairs that have cost Russia money, as well as some other countries Iran does business deals with.

Israel has the Amber light, the go ahead for strikes on Iran, with the U.S. in the background directing everything.

Iran is going to probably continue to enrich uranium to 235 u, which is weapons grade.

Then they would probably state that due to the impending hostilities they forsee in the future, forces them to develop weaponized uranium...

reply to post by Brainiac


China has been a player in building the reactor and don't condone a attack from anyone but they have been rather quiet about this whole situation.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


War mongers huh, I may be the only Iranian on this forum and I do not believe the US is a war monger. I believe the US is doing what any super power would do with the weaponry and economy that we have. If China, Russia or Iran had the US ability I believe they would invade the US and take our resources.

I have family in Iran, most want a regime change and most want the US to initiate it but without occupation. Iran truly is a terrorist country by supporting terrorism externally and internally through human oppression on a daily basis.

The reason over a million Iranians come to the US is to escape the true murderers and terrorist the khomeini regime.

I have an idea double D, why do you not go live in Iran for a couple months and then come and tell me that the this great country the US is a war monger. If not us the then some other country will impose its power on the planet and believe me, if Iran China or Russia had our power and did this the war mongering would be exponentially greater than that of the US.

So please with all due respect Iran should not have Nuclear warhead capability.