A Half a Million Plastic Coffins?!

reply to post by sp00n1



I am aware that many of this type of container was purchased during Desert Storm. There was a great fear that with Sadam in power there was a strong chance of dirty bombs, etc. The DOD purchased large amounts of body bags as well. My question to you is how long have these been sitting in this area? They may well be left overs from Daddy Bush.

reply to post by rjmelter


That is an excellent point and was also what I pointed out in 2 of my posts. Disease is one thing, and if we eventually are the victims of a biological or chemical attack then burning the bodies/cremating will properly dispose of any biological or chemical agent. With radiation it is a little different. And even if these vaults were somehow used to haul people en mass, they are plastic and are going to contaminate everything around them anyway.

Entombment in concrete has been fairly effective in the past and a thick concrete wall will sheild the radiation at least to an acceptable degree (a great example of this is Chernobyl). But there are some myths about radiation that people don't understand here. I was trained throughly in biological, chemical, and nuclear attacks in the Air Force so I know more than the average joe on these subjects.

www.bt.cdc.gov...

How Radioactive Contamination Is Spread
People who are externally contaminated with radioactive material can contaminate other people or surfaces that they touch. For example, people who have radioactive dust on their clothing may spread the radioactive dust when they sit in chairs or hug other people.

People who are internally contaminated can expose people near them to radiation from the radioactive material inside their bodies. The body fluids (blood, sweat, urine) of an internally contaminated person can contain radioactive materials. Coming in contact with these body fluids can result in contamination and/or exposure.

However people who have been exposed to radiation are not exactly going to spread it to other people. It depends on alot of different factors. If people are exposed to radiation to the extent that they are able to spread it to other people through their body fluids, etc.. (such as after a nuclear attack) then obviously the body would have to be properly disposed of and contained in some fashion.

a thin layer of plastic would not exactly be the most cost-effective or efficient way to achieve this.. and since NO polypropylene burial vault will ever ensure a permanent seal or cave-ins then eventually the contamination is going to inevitably spread into the soil. The moisture that collects inside this vault would eventually seep right back into the surrounding soil and possibly even into the groundwater.

Therefore, using such burial vaults for the application of radiocative containment of contaminated bodies is preposterous.. There is no way that ANY plastic vault is going to stay sealed long enough for the radioactivity to deteriorate through it's half-life. And any contamination inside that vault is then going to become another huge environmental catastrophy waiting to happen.

-ChriS

This is not containment..

[edit on 24-7-2008 by BlasteR]

They Wouldnt be Using These For Radiation. Try Avain Bird Flu. It Would Work To Detain and Bury The Deceased

i saw the same pictures as these in the 80's. no big deal, they aren't coffins

With all the govt. screw ups in the last several years, at least they are trying to prepare for the possibilities. The govt. doesn't have an agenda for those vaults, they don't know something we don't know. They will probably sit there for 100 years imo.

Humans die at a rate of 40,000 per day. So do the math. This VAULT contractor is probably 1 out of 100 in the US. So let say he sells about 1000 per month. The site looks pretty small, when you compare 40,000 deaths a day.

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

From the 'people' who brought you the response to Hurricane Katrina (blown levees): US military begins planning for avian flu pandemic 10 May 2007 The US military has begun to plan for a possible avian flu pandemic that could kill as many as three million people in the United States in as little as six weeks, a Pentagon planning document said. The Defense Department's "Implementation Plan for Pandemic Influenza," which was posted Wednesday on a Pentagon website, lays out guidelines and planning assumptions for US military services and combatant commands. Possible scenarios include US troops being called in to put down riots, guard pharmaceutical plants and shipments, and help restrict the movement of people inside the country and across its borders. "When directed by the president, DoD will provide support to civil authorities in the event of a civil disturbance," the document said. "DoD will augment civilian law enforcement efforts to restore and maintain order in accordance with existing statutes." The military also may assist civil authorities in "isolating and/or quarantining groups of people in order to minimize [foment] the spread of disease during an influenza pandemic," it said. [Bye bye, Posse Comitatus! And suddenly, the US is going to control its borders? Gag me with a chainsaw! This newfound 'border control' ability is to keep people from *leaving* the US. KBR's $385M detention center contract will be expanded and renewed.]

www.legitgov.org...

This investment in Georgia’s military installations is very good news for Georgia,” Isakson said. “Our facilities play a key role in the security of our nation, and I am very pleased to see such a strong commitment to them from Washington.”The bill provides $6.5 billion in total military construction funding, $5.4 billion for active duty construction and $1.1 billion for the reserve components, as well as $3.99 billion for family housing construction and improvements which includes $1.98 billion for operation and maintenance for existing units. Also included is $5.4 billion for implementation of Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) which includes $5.2 billion for 2005 implementation and $191.2 million for prior BRAC rounds.

isakson.senate.gov...

yes, i would agree about the bird flu or something similiar. water, i keep thinking water or nuke. nuke is not my first choice but it definitely has something to do w/georgia.

We live in Dallas Georgia, we are going here in the morning. We are taking pictures and gonna check this place out.

Will post pics and let everyone know what we find here. This is a 150 + mile trip and with gas costs, I tend to make it worth my wild!

Will post tomorrow eveing with my adventure.

I find this my most enteresting thing to date.

OMG why are plastic coffins getting so much attention. if they had bodies in them that would make it an attention grabber. It makes perfect logical sense to have them on standby when your country is in the middle of a war and when your country is one of the biggest relief aid goverments in the world. What doesnt make sense is everyone thinking there is some underlying conspiracy to this,,, hey when all you guys go out there to check it out, why dont you have a party get drunk and then see if you can fit in one of those coffins...be sure and close the lid when you do. Now that might be a story

reply to post by MrWendal

i totally agree w/you on the the team work that went into the FEMA Coffins in Georgia thread. excellent, excellent work! read first on ATS and came back full circle!

We just got back and to say the least it was really something to see in person. Long drive over 200 miles from home sigh.

We found the exact same thing that was shown in the video. I took pictures but they will be nothing new except I noticed a whole bunch of dumpsters beside these. Took pics of those too.

When we were done looking and taking pics, we went up the road a little bit to a super walmart. We wanted to ask some locals if they had any knowledge of these containers.

The walmart employee had no idea they was there. A older man and lady came out and we asked them and he said this:

Those are casket liners. They been there for a little over 10 years. The government got into a riff over taxes on the liners and they just put them there and never came back for them.

That is what he told us.

This place is 2 miles from the interstate. 58 miles east of Atlanta on interstate 20 and in a very very rural area. We also went up the road a few miles to 2 different flea markets and we asked some folks about them only one older man knew of them but had no clue what they was or why they was there. A few old women did not know anything about them.

I do not think there is a half million of them. But they are stacked 20 high or atleast the one i counted on the end. It is a massive amount but not 500,000 i do not think.

I got the answers i went looking for though. The casket liners are not privately owned but owned by the government. That is what i went after to find out. That is what I got.

Editing to add: they are made of fiberglass. My husband really checked them out good. The railroad tracks does not seem to used because of so much growth within them in this area. However I did not see rust on the tracks though where I was looking in the area.


[edit on 27-7-2008 by Vikki]

I telephoned Vantage Products today, (Polyguard's competitors- 32 min drive away from the Madison Vaults)

The receptionist at Vantage was nice as pie to me until I asked her if Vantage stored any other vaults in the area apart form Covington.

on hearing this she was edgy and non responsive and said in a very formal voice "You an leave a message on this persons machine"

She would not talk to me about this at all.

Anyone else wanna stab at it?

Phone number is: 770-788-0136

Please read this:!

Madison


Madison GA could Hercules , Monsanto , polyguard all be connected?

I say yes! these coffins are owned by the government

Don't forget the CDC is also situated in lovely GA

I personally went to the sight. I would say about 10,000 liners. I googled the image and tried to count them all. Couldn't do it with what i had to work with. My best estimate was 9600.

I think there are atleast 40 to 50 thousand liners. I would say more, but the inside of this had the lids.

I go off on the photo from google. I counted them in real life and then I tried to place the photo. I think this is a dump site. I even went a bit further, I wanted the land owners names, no one spoke of them or they did not know of em.

reply to post by sp00n1


Okay, while I see those could be coffins, there's just as much evidence that they could be cow feeding troughs, or even weapons containers returned from Iraq empty of their weapons thereby utilizing the recycle method.

I'm not saying they're not coffins, but there's nothing in the video to show proof of that, and with the guy who filmed it not reciting where he was, what area it's around, and having watched the video and not seeing any writing on them, it's only half convincing of what the source says it is to begin with.

[edit on 29-7-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

reply to post by musselwhite


But even if they are for some nuke or chemical/biological attack it makes absolutely no sense why they would use these burial vaults of all things.. Please see my last post.

-ChriS

reply to post by musselwhite


But even if they are for some nuke or chemical/biological attack it makes absolutely no sense why they would use these burial vaults of all things.. Please see my last post.

-ChriS

The Salmon City Council has voted in support of an ordinance prohibiting the use of polypropylene vaults at the cemetery.

Click here for news source

This is the same material being used to create these casket liners in Madison Ga and Covington Ga.

I thought this would also add to this thread.

I also found on google atleast 100,000 more as a plant in Covington.

you can look it up on google earth, here is the infomation:

960 Almon Road
30014
Covington Georgia

There are only 50,000 Coffins in Madison Ga, the person who owns the land is renting it to XXXXXXXXX. That person stores it there for a company and they premade these for people who have bought and or purchases there burial plot. They made them in mass production because of the molds they used to cast the PLASTIC.

Oh and they are burial vaults not coffins. THEY PROTECT THE COFFINS from getting dirty... collapsing with lots and lots of pressure (only 6 feet under).

Consider this Debunked

The Madisonian (local newpaper) published this conspiarcy theory in their newspaper within 2 months time. AboveTopSecret is famous now... in Madison Ga

They however are not concerned I should have mentioned ealier... Madison is a dying community. All the land is used for pasteur... id madison city limits they cant do that so its used for storage...

DEBUNKIFIED!

reply to post by MurderCityDevil


You are correct a large stock of vaults. These plastic or "poly" vaults are used to prtect the casket and more importantly the grave from collapsing.

This company makes and stores these for cemeteries. The keep so many on hand or realy in storge for trusting laws required by states.