Organic Portals and Hyperdimensional Attacks - Spotting the energy thieves amongst us.

OK, so I've started reading the OP's (original poster, not organic portal, ha!) links and I'm getting kind of wigged out.


Particularly by this:

... interaction with an OP will temporarily decrease one“s creativity, individuality, and originality. Since the lower centers are drained, intellectual performance can suffer as well. This mental muddying makes one less able to catch the logical fallacies OPs use in their arguments and allows one’s perceptions to be more easily twisted by them.

And this:

The primary energies OPs seek come from the higher emotional center of souled beings. Sometimes the higher centers are drained indirectly when energy normally reserved for those centers is instead channeled toward the three lower centers to make up for their drained conditions35. More directly, many OPs will stage elaborate melodramas and pretend victim status, whining and begging to be pitied in order to steal energy from the higher emotional center of those who care to listen and make the mistake of empathizing with something that doesn’t have true feelings. With this energy, OPs can emulate their targets more accurately, giving the appearance of having a soul36.

Because that describes more than half the people I know and my interaction with them.

For example, I just made a new friend. I went out once with her and had a great time. Went out the second time and out of nowhere she just unloaded all of her problems to me over dinner. I was so taken by surprise by this because she seemed like such a fun and stable person the first time we went out. So I was driving home that night, feeling kind of blindsided and wondering why this keeps happening to me. Because it happens again and again. Over the years, I've just kind of accepted the fact that for every five people I know, three of them are on the edge of crazy.

This thread really has me thinking now. I'm a very creative person (writer and artist) and I'm at my best when I'm focusing on my creativity. But I find these draining individuals crowd into my life just as I'm geared up to start a new project, or making a positive step in my career and feeling really optimistic about everything. I've often thought that strange. I've often joked that I have an antennae for the world's emotions or something. But now...whoa. This thread has me rethinking the whole thing.

OK, that turned into a bit of a couch session.

Anyway, thank you again OP for creating the thread and posting the links. (And for your kind words.)

Originally posted by GirlNextDoor
OK, so I've started reading the OP's (original poster, not organic portal, ha!) links and I'm getting kind of wigged out.


Particularly by this:

... interaction with an OP will temporarily decrease one“s creativity, individuality, and originality. Since the lower centers are drained, intellectual performance can suffer as well. This mental muddying makes one less able to catch the logical fallacies OPs use in their arguments and allows one’s perceptions to be more easily twisted by them.

And this:

The primary energies OPs seek come from the higher emotional center of souled beings. Sometimes the higher centers are drained indirectly when energy normally reserved for those centers is instead channeled toward the three lower centers to make up for their drained conditions35. More directly, many OPs will stage elaborate melodramas and pretend victim status, whining and begging to be pitied in order to steal energy from the higher emotional center of those who care to listen and make the mistake of empathizing with something that doesn’t have true feelings. With this energy, OPs can emulate their targets more accurately, giving the appearance of having a soul36.

Because that describes more than half the people I know and my interaction with them.

For example, I just made a new friend. I went out once with her and had a great time. Went out the second time and out of nowhere she just unloaded all of her problems to me over dinner.

I was so taken by surprise by this because she seemed like such a fun and stable person the first time we went out. So I was driving home that night, feeling kind of blindsided and wondering why this keeps happening to me. Because it happens again and again. Over the years, I've just kind of accepted the fact that for every five people I know, three of them are on the edge of crazy.

This thread really has me thinking now. I'm a very creative person (writer and artist) and I'm at my best when I'm focusing on my creativity. But I find these draining individuals crowd into my life just as I'm geared up to start a new project, or making a positive step in my career and feeling really optimistic about everything. I've often thought that strange. I've often joked that I have an antennae for the world's emotions or something. But now...whoa. This thread has me rethinking the whole thing.

OK, that turned into a bit of a couch session.

Anyway, thank you again OP for creating the thread and posting the links. (And for your kind words.)

Maybe you shouldn't think too much into it. People are having problems all time time. Sometimes (most times they need to talk to someone - like a friend). So a -real- friend offers to listen and support - it can be draining but that's part of the process to feed your positive energy (if you are careful that is) - knowing that you are doing something good and helping someone - which is so rare these days.

Your experience is common and it is part and parcel with having friends. Perhaps she shouldn't have unloaded everything but maybe you made her feel so supported she felt comfortable telling you more (that's another positive).

Remember -there may be a time when you need to talk to someone too!

If you are troubled by this then quite frankly, you won't have any -real- friends , just colleagues - if that's what you want then you can make it clear.

Remember that ANYTHING you perceive you can draw negative or positive energy from the event.

For example, if you go on a long trip with someone there are three possible points of conversations about the trip:

1. Complaints: the trip is too long, too hot, too cold, hungry, no good food etc. etc. - this is negative energy and I see many people do it.

2. Positiveness - It's great to get out, lovely view, break from the norm, time to chat etc. etc.

3. Balanced view: mix of the above.

In terms of the END EFFECT option 2. is best.

Now you can also consider your interactions as an analogy of the example given. Remember - turn everything that you PERCEIVE into POSITIVE thoughts (this will result in positive energy).

[edit on 18-7-2008 by Jinni]

Originally posted by TrueLight

Originally posted by Nammu


I can relate to that. One explanation is that all of life is a dream. While what we call our dream states is a reasonably free flowing and creative experience, the waking dream is almost the complete opposite. In theory what we are experiencing during the waking state is a collective dream. It is less manipulable because our actions and abilities are restricted by other people's belief systems. This I think is the basis for the increase in mainstream media relating to super-abilities etc. Once that information is subconsciously accepted by the collective the attainment of these abilities may become much easier. However, if someone, as you rightly mention goes through a full "awakening" they then have the oppurtunity, to let go of this nonsense of collective reality, and create their own. Which the rest then adhere to. The awake people on the forum are creating the world that they want to see, many more people need to wake up to achieve critical mass, but it is going to happen. Nice comment Nammu, thank you sir.

Regards.

In Buddhist terms, this would be Detachment. Yet, the process is unique and can be harrowing. I utilized hallucinogens to propel my spiritual, psychic, and evolutionary development and I rapidly began to expand my energies at lightning speed and my understanding of existence in a way I just never saw before.

Well, turns out I ended up attracting virtually every energy paracite I could or could not imagine. Over a year of cleansing and soul searching has allowed me to be free of the hatred poured on me by foul, stupid energies that behaved much like those entities you are speaking of. I have gained a deeper understanding, but the cost was high, and yes you can't truly go back once the veil is lifted. Yet you are still expected to make ends meet, and to handle the collective dream in the best possible way.

Enlightenment (much to my past chagrin) is no free ticket. It is not handed out to every Tom, Dick, and Harry who walks around professing sacred, universal knowledge. The problem is, there are many ways to expand one's understanding of the universe, and I took a great risk. I almost died, but now I am at peace with my decisions, actions, and mistakes, I am far happier. Not to mention, I needed to get off of the Hallucinogens to heal, nurture myself, and contemplate the almost lifetime of events I experienced in less than three years.

Mind you, I am not advocating drug use. I am just stating that there are many paths, and if one is willing to risk exposure to the very toxic beings that surround us, trying to take every advantage they can, we can rise above their influence, and possibly find someone out beyond this dream who understands and is willing to listen (they are amazing). Maybe in ten years I can really speak of my experiences, now I would just be labled crazy for speaking about some unbelivable things.

That was an interesting post and interesting thread. You have opened many doors down the matrix hallway and exposed powerful delusions. But just like in the movie, you are looking for the door of light, all other doors lead out into the desert. The illusions are powerful and enticing, but if any one thing in them is false, then it is a false path. Like orgone energy. I'm of the opinion that one does not need any orgone style of energy to dissapte clouds. One does not even need to have one's eyes open for it to work.

I do agree that the eye's are windows into the soul. They serve a very unique function of absorbing photonic energy which carries all kinds of information with it. This is an important reason people will respond to your gaze in very emotional ways. Everyone knows you should not stare at a dangerous animal or dog, directly in the eyes. That is a direct attack posture. Also many of the self help and sales promotional books, tapes and video's make great use of the power of ones gaze with focused attention.

I think of our eyes as both transmitters and receivers.

Recently, with the advent of YouTube and similar media forms, we have become complacent and lulled into just receiving information energy through our eye's directly into our minds. I think this is simply bad. That is a path to all things which are not good. If you use your eyes the way God intended them to be used, you can "see" more truth in whatever you gaze at.

My own experience with so called "energy vampires" is different. I can understand how people might feel overwhelmed by some people who seem to want something from you, it would be easy to interpret their actions as a kind of mental attack, but I don't think that is really what is going on, UNLESS you work for a covert government agency. I do think that the majority of people are unaware of this power of the eye's, and can cause problems if they are strong transmitters, by overpowering someone who is tuned in as a receiver with no effective filters.

Personally, I'm usually in the receiver mode, and over time, I have learned about the filters and how to use them. Like being an annoying transmitter, putting out energy in all directions, (like those loud talking cell phone users sitting next to you in a coffee shop), recievers can also freak people out.

I will not gaze directly into anyone's eyes, that does not know me, for more than is socially acceptable, just as I would not strip someone naked physically, I avoid doing that with my eye's and mind together. It is a violation of their soul and space. There are people, who you might call emotional vampires, who do do this intentionally, but not for some hyperdimsional soul sucking reason. They do it because they have evil in their hearts and minds. Just don't leave your doors open without closing the screen door first.

Originally posted by Jinni
Maybe you shouldn't think too much into it. People are having problems all time time. Sometimes (most times they need to talk to someone - like a friend). So a -real- friend offers to listen and support - it can be draining but that's part of the process to feed your positive energy (if you are careful that is) - knowing that you are doing something good and helping someone - which is so rare these days.

Your experience is common and it is part and parcel with having friends. Perhaps she shouldn't have unloaded everything but maybe you made her feel so supported she felt comfortable telling you more (that's another positive).

Remember -there may be a time when you need to talk to someone too!

Thank you for posting this. I do think this is the case, and I know people find me easy to talk to. I'm a Christian and I believe in spiritual gifts. I believe I have the gift of mercy. I know there is something about me that invites people to share what's on their mind without my prompting it. I've always chalked it up to my spiritual gift. But I'm also am intrigued by quantum science and in my own research have been looking for how the principles correlate to my religious beliefs. Basically believing I am energy (soul, spirit) in a shell of flesh and the idea of energy exchange makes sense to me. There are people I know who light me up and I feel great being around them. And there are those who I dread interacting with because they suck the life right out of me. We probably all have it that way. I try to give these friends direction for outlets that aren't draining on others (like writing, exercise, etc.) so they won't rely on me so much. But you're right: there is a positive aspect to listening and being there for friends. I just need boundaries.

Still, the OP really opened my eyes and has me thinking about how it all works and the possibility that there's more going on than what I perceived.

I know I said this before on a different post, but I died for 25 mins. and spent 6 days in a comma and it took awhile for my head to clear.But I see things in a whole new light. I don't know, it's kinda like looking in from the outside. Great Post Thanks

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Excellent topic, one of the best I've read on here.

If the scenario posted by the OP is correct, then I suspect being both a puppet and a victim.

I've had quite a negative life. Lots of things go wrong for me, and as a result I end up feeling down because of it. And when I feel particularly down, I attention seek which leads to me bringing people around me down too. Sometimes I dont realise I'm doing it. Others I do, but still do it anyway.

Also, when i'm down, if I talk to someone who's also down and needs someone to talk to, then that makes me feel better. Is this normal? I hope its the fact that I'm making a positive difference to them thats making me feel better, but theres a chance that the negative subject matter could be feeding me.

In my present situation I feel constantly drained, physically and mentally, to the point where some days I cant do anything. I feel like I'm in a dream and that none of this is real. I dont know if this could be connected at all.

I've had some very weird experiences in my life. One such situation is very similar to another persons who mentioned weird "vampiric" activity at a rave. About 5 years ago at a rave in the midlands, uk, the DJ played a track called "Black Magic" by Breeze & Styles. The music went weird and very hypnotic. Then I realised I was being hypnotised and got up and ran out to shake it off. Freaked me out and I didnt stay long after that. It might also be worthy to note that the DJ's playing the music are very unpleasant people.

Ive had even more weird experiences than that, which right now I dont want to discuss, but could be related to this topic.

reply to post by TrueLight


Great thread, I truly have felt this before.

I wonder, is it possible for you to be in the same family, ie; I as a souled human, and my mother an energy vampire, or OP. She has throughout my life, manifested a conversation into a long drawn out argument, where i feel drained afterwards.

I have also had several dreams where she is literally sucking or pulling me towards her, but it feels like I have had no energy, and she is draining me. Also, I had a dream where she was walking across water but had the legs of a horse, and looked like a demon, and then when she saw me started the energy draining again. I dont particulartly think she is demonic at all, however more my dream state expanding on a real life situation to make it quite blatant.

Also when I told her about the banking elite and the 911 attacks being inside jobs, she would just say so.... so what. I was aghast at her lack of compassion, so what if americas own government was aware and directly/partly responsible for the death of thousands of its citizens whilst blaiming a most likely non existent terrorist group to then go and kill many hundreds of thousasands more in another country, based on a lie. so what?

WTF. ofcoursre that is probably just so I would argue with her. I swear, I feel i so rarely get one bit of positive feedback or energy of her. It is a bit sad, but true.

My question is, what determines an person is an OP or not, and can there be mixed groups in a family?

Many thanks

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I have another question. If you strongly believe someone to be an organic portal or a robotic agent, emotional vampire, what have you, then should you avoid them at all costs, or is it possible to remain friends with someoone who is an OP.

What if you deem yourself to be an OP? Is there any means of conversion? THe link portays OPs as to be controlled by a hierachy off negative hyper/inter dimensional entities, so if you think your an OP, what can you do ?

I have also been musing over the behaviour of my gf, it really sucks, but I cant help but think, that she could be an OP. I am very cautious as to analyse specifically and in depth before I make a decision, as i dont wont some post on a website to ruin a relationship. But i must fathom if some of her behaviour which i deem suspicous means she is an OP. and if then, what? Can you be in a healthy relationship with one? i think not, or atleast all related info implies so,.

I would greatly appreciate a response here.

sorry to keep spamming, and I should have read the entirety of the Links the OP posted in the first place. But more and more of what I am reading, my own mother seems to be almost definitely a robotic agent. I have over my entire life felt there was something not quite right about her. And I assure those who read that this is not just some paranoid checking off of this provided list, and me going, "yup my mums an agent", I have had multiple, multiple experiences in which my own insight is telling me there is something wrong here. From dreams to real life experiences to the signs and charachteristics displayed.

Most notably is her discreditting and attempting to hinder my awaking process. If my mum is a robotic agent, an OP, or simply emotionally vampiric. what can I do?

anyone else feel like this with close family or friends?

were they sent to us for a reason?

I had a vision/trip that my gf, who was in the room at the time (this was at the beginning of the relationship) whilst on Nos (N02) that she was sent to me as a gift from alien beings. It was a profound feeling. I wonder if infact it is possible that our coincidental encounter (various decisoins had to be taken on both or parts for us to meet) was guided by other entities or beings and that she is an OP sent to leech from me or prevent my positive spiritual path.

This all sounds a bit far fetched. But hey.

Feed back appreciated.

Yes indeed. This is one of the things we have to make ourselves aware of as we deal with our expanding consciousness. Not only do some people zap others but I have seen people do it to themselves as soon as they start to get a little posative.

I kind of think it's to be expected that we will start stepping on the better stones in the path as we start finding our way around with the lights turned on.

I think that when you toss one of the buggers out they get very angry and flare up like a madagascer lizard and will lash out but in the end they have no power to stay in a posative place. At least that is what I hope. Maybe by hoping it can be so.

"Come On Talk To Me
So We Can See
What's Goin On" - Marvin Gaye

[edit on 18-7-2008 by free-energy]

reply to post by antar

This is unbelievable. About a year ago I started a "spiritual growth" period. I've always been a Christian, but suddenly I began getting into biblical prophesy, both written sources and televised programs. I have believed that it was the leading of the Holy Spirit for two reasons: my mother died totally unexpectedly 2 days before Christmas last year; and I'd been praying to be filled with the Spirit for some time.

I've been seeing specialists for sores I'd developed on my legs and arms. I seemed to get whatever this is everytime I work with plants. All of a sudden last week I noticed "faces" on my skin in those areas. This could take forever to get to the point, so I'm going to get to the chase: what I thought was a parasitic infection has led to my hell on earth! The best way I can describe what's going on is that there are "2 dimensional creatures" forcing their way out of my body; and my family & friends seem to be determined to declare me crazy. I've been to 3 different hospitals - including Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN today - and I'm in extreme pain. In an attempt to prove myself in control, I typed in "2 dimensional organisms " in Google. I've seen things I've never thought I'd experience, much less believe in. I have been praying for help from Jesus, and as I type this I am feeling intense pressure and severe pain around my kidney area. I've seen these things actually draw in paper, makeup, and they are not at all happy about me doing this right now. The worst thing so far is that my mom's dog that I inherited and was my last link to her disappeared last evening. And I know how crazy this sounds, but "they" told me about it by making "tissue creatures" and setting them up in the guest bath. I KNOW HOW INSANE THIS SOUNDS! I thought I might be getting attacked spiritually, now I don't know. I also thought it was over, but now
? SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME! I guess I'll sign as:

scared servant

reply to post by TrueLight


I've heard some wild rationalizations to answer the question "Why are some people such idiots?" But this one has got to be the most creative!

Thanks for a great laugh, and welcome to ATS!!!

Reading those articles... it can't be denied, we are slaves, most of us don't even know... how do you even begin to fight that?

Maybe you shouldn't try this at home but the best way to stop energy thieves is to force feed them till they burst. Watch them run away nauseated and overwhelmed and they'll give you no more trouble.

Well...

Not quite sure if i agree with too many of the comments here, some sound like extraordinary explanations of basic human behaviour, some seem extremely paranoid, whilst some do make sense.

I do believe that we resonate an energy (call it electromagnetic/static aura's or whatever) as do all lifeforms such as plants, animals etc...

The idea that some sort of evil force is controlling people and making them drain others isn't quite true in my opinion, as i'm more geared to believe that people are just living in the circumstances of modern living.

We really need to remember that the older generations have seen a LOT of changes and most find it difficult to adjust to, maybe they're not being ignorant or controlled, but rather just overwhelmed and unprepared, whereas the younger generations are ignorant of the past and seem to hold few values in todays world.

As a result, negativity is rife, from ignorance on both sides. The reason some people are draining and taking up energy is probably down to the fact that most people are confused anyway. People stare through curiosity, fear, distrust or paranoia.... a result of the social and environmental changes.

Mental illness is rife too, maybe a result of terrible diets and processed food, combined with drugs (both legal and illegal), flouridated water sources, subliminal advertising that lays heavy on the subconscious, the constant challenge of living in a consumer driven society, the invisible slavery of capitalism and the 'need more' mind frame of the general public.
The constant bombardment of signals from radio, television and phone masts, the contradictory laws, the corruption of governments, the horrors of wars and the lies of newspapers. We as people are confused.

People stare for many reasons, as I say... People are afraid of people, but also fascinated by people...

In a nutshell, I think we as a race have been knocked slightly out of 'tune' with everything... Those that are aware of this untuning are also aware of how badly those chords will sound, those that are unaware of this hiccup are generally oblivious and don't really mean to create such a racket.

Yes, obviously some people take pleasure from taking, but we forget that so many people take pleasure from giving. But in this day and age, people only tend to remember the bad things.

Sad but true.

**

On a said note, my girlfriend and I have occasional struggles. Although i don't totally believe in astrology and the like, i do believe some elements exist.
I suffer from depression and anxiety and possible bi-polar disorder, my girlfriend sometimes jokes that there are two sides to me. Possibly my geminic nature or maybe mental illness.
She described me as both the best bit of light she's ever received (when i'm feeling good and happy with myself and life) and also the most draining person she's ever met.

I can't help it, when i'm on my light side, I'm creative, selfless, loving and impossibly happy and then when my dark self takes over i'm the complete opposite. I'm angry, frustrated, nasty and spiteful...

Two souls in the same body, or a split mind or a true gemini or whatever, but my point is, people are a whole spectrum of emotions and its too easy to judge. If somebody met me on a bad day, then no doubt they would think i was a right old moody arse and would steer clear of me, but I assume if people met me on another day, when i'm 'shining', then I've been told people would do anything for me, because I don't take anything from people when i'm experiencing that lightness.

I swing from both the 'vampire' to the 'sunlight' with very little inbetween.

For my long suffering family and girlfriend, all I can ever say is, even when i'm at my most rotten, it's generally not them that I hate, it's an unconscious feeling that something inside me is wrong. Only when i come out of it, do i think 'oh my word, what the hell did i say that for?'

Such is my curse.

On a final note. Sometimes the weak look to the strong for guidance, light, understanding and inspiration. I consider myself both a very strong person and a weak person, it just depends on what has affected me that day. It might be easy to judge the 'freak' on the train, but just spare a thought that they might be ill, upset or distracted and not aware that they are staring...

Just a thought.

Mr - L (both of us)

To the OP, great thread and post.

But I'm not sure I believe in something like this, to be honest it sounds like something made up to try and explain why people are the way they are, why the world is the way it is. So they make something up that would makes sense to them.

Where's the evidence?

I am back now, I expect that the people who read all the information in the links I provided have had a chance to witness these processes first hand by now. And are probably wide-eyed with astonishment. I will review what has been posted in my absence....

Originally posted by Pseyecle-ops
Very enlightening and true IMHO. I too have been 'victim' of these negative energies (and fed them unwittingly !)

The trouble is that once 'awake' the psychic attacks get stronger and stronger and techniques for protection are needed 'constantly'.

Be strong people. Don't let your energies get 'sucked away'

Flag and star for you.

Yes, you are spot on in my opinion, thankyou for a very insightful post. Take care of yourself.

Originally posted by Spinladen
Once you do the more unsavory loving after awhile, you will QUICKLY see your world as you have never before experienced. No fear element what soever EVER again.

Almost total immunity to bad luck and people/entities.

I agree, love is the most powerful force in the universe. Thankyou for your comment.

Originally posted by mirador
This post resonates very very much with me! I suddenly remember 'chopping up' clouds when I was a kid!

Great site as well, thank you very much for the link!

You are most welcome, I am glad you are finding this information useful. Thankyou for your comment.

Originally posted by Skipper1975
i hope the dark ones decide to join the light...i will send them all the love i can possibly send to them if they decide to save us or keep us safe.

I will join in too, great comment, thank you.

Originally posted by n0tsan3
I have never posted anything here before, but this has struck a cord with me. I have read about this before and have experienced myself. The reason that I am responding to this post, is because i started the same way. I first noticed people were doing this while I was under the influence of MDMA. After I had experienced it a number of times, I start to notice it in lots of different people.

Thanks for your confirmation. It seems a few people are having STS-type energy drains at these sort of events, perhaps you could expand on what you have seen? It may help others who have been in the same situation to realise they are not "mad" as some "persons" would like them to believe. And thank you for your post.

Originally posted by templar knight
I was going to add a rational thought here - but you reallly have something.

Thank you for your comment. I know at first glance the initial knee-jerk reaction is to immediately dismiss the idea. But, as you found out, if one approaches this fringe information with an open mind there is a lot of correlation with most peoples everyday lives. Open mindedness shows high intelligence, thank you.

Originally posted by saturnus1962
Believe in yourself like you have always done when you where young(er)! Dont believe this nonsense!

I wish that were true, but sadly maintaining childlike innocence in these matters is not enough to protect us from these beings. I will go as far as to say that with this attitude you are actually inviting trouble. Awareness and knowledge protects. Not a rebuttal,as such, but I think you should actually read the links I provided. Thank you for your post.

Thanks for the info OP. I am new to all of this, so trying to comprehend everything is a bit daunting. I would really like to become aware as a few people have mentioned, but as I am new, I am also lost and confused. I am not sure where I fall in with this information. I never go out and make trouble to anyone. I feel that inside I feel compassion that the way the world goes, many things are horrible, but I seem to lack self expression. As the link suggests, people are fake in their emotions, but I don't feel that I am. What really strikes me is that there seems to be something or someone following me. Many times I hear someone in the room, when I am alone. This past new years at my uncle's home I felt a sharp pain in my feet like needles. Continuously jumping from one foot to the next and felt as if I was being held down as well. The next day I found out that my aunt talks to ghosts and invites them into her home. So I wonder, are these spirits trying to take my energy, or communicate with me? All very weird, and have had many weird experiences in my past. If anyone can direct me to a place where I can talk about these experiences to get a better understanding I would really appreciate it. Thanks again OP for the info.

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