What was it that made you realize 9/11 was an inside job?

It isn't one thing or one moment that made me believe that members of our government or "shadow" government was responsible for 9/11.

It was a culmination of things, both present, and even more importantly past, that has convinced me that this is the way the people running the show trick the audience.

It works because about 80% of this audience are sheep, 10% afriad, and the rest of us who do know what's going are , well unfortunately we are too small to do anything and also considered nutters for not being in the majority.

We are basically in the same group that agreed the world was round when everyone KNEW if was flat.

It will take many years, but just like the gulf of Tonkin, it will be admitted to, long after the people who did it are dead, and it will be official history after Rumsfield/Rice/silverstein/Bush are all dead and gone, that 9/11 was an inside job.

Better late than never ya?

Tell that to the people who died on that day, or children who lost thier parents, husbands that lost wives, and wives that lost husbands ect, ect, ect.

Also all the people who will die in the wars to come that resulted in the American public support that was gained off the coat tails of 9/11.

It's disgusting in my opinion.

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"" What was it that made you realize 9/11 was an inside job?

For me, it was the controlled demolition of WTC 7,...""


Yup, that was the one for me too.

Once I seen bldg7 go down, I didn't even need to hear Silversteins or anyone elses comment

I didn't need a public or private official to confirm anything...because, I just knew.

And people either get it, or they don't. The ones that don't, well, just don't waste your time on them,

you could spend all day pointing out "proof" and it still wouldn't sink in. I can't say why that is

but it's true, and anyone here who has tried to convince someone who don't see it, knows exactly

what I'm sayin'...

for me it was when SF mayor willie brown
received a warning from his "airport security people" the day
before not to fly.

later, it was found that he received this warning from candoleezza rice
herself.

gee, thanks a lot, the politicians and their friends get warnings, but how
about the rest of us, my government makes me feel so safe!!!


and as someone else mentioned, terrorists with boxcutter knifes taking
over the plane, yeah right, the terrorists got real lucky with the
planes they chose, they must have been full of wimpy men.
can you imagine, a bunch of men huddled scared together while
someone is standing over them with a small knife. Yeah right, i dont
believe it.

Originally posted by shiftshaper
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is the removal of all debris without an investigation. This was one of the biggest 'crimes' to be committed on US soil but there was no analysis done on the debris. This doesn't make sense to me.

no kidding. I failed to mention this, but this is another HUGE thing that I think has been overlooked by all. I don't know if they have ever cleared debris from an investigation as quick as they cleared this stuff. Also, they didn't move it to a storage facility somewhere to try and go through, it all got shipped overseas or was recycled but there isn't much trace of anything anymore. You know had this been a different situation, they would have investigated for bomb residue and for other structural things they could find to even just investigate the structure more to make buildings safer in the future from this type of event. Good job bringing that one up again.

JPT

For me it was the Pentagon and the teeny tiny hole made by a very big plane that suddenly had no wings.
I still can't understand it.

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" One thing that doesn't make sense to me is the removal of all debris without an investigation. This was one of the biggest 'crimes' to be committed on US soil but there was no analysis done on the debris. This doesn't make sense to me. "

I DID notice that as well.

They sure did a good job of sweeping THAT under the carpet...I haven't thought about that for a long time, and I'm guilty of not bringing it up in conversations as one of the more obvious signs of guilt that had nothing to do with " wild theories".

And it did make sense, once you realize that the guilty party was in charge, it makes sense that nothing would be done about it.

I always find this whole debate amusing; not in a disparaging way, its just...like everything else in the US, its become a two-sided debate. (Which is a pretty disturbing trend, at that.) But the real world isn't very black and white.

When did I start questioning the official story? Almost immediately, because, as someone else mentioned, it unfolded too neatly, just like a TV show. Smelled of patsies. But I like proof. And here is where my opinion differs a bit. I think there is adequate proof that the official story is flawed. I think there is good reason to believe that there were elements within the government who played a part. What I DON'T believe is that is was some grand conspiracy. Despite all the information control the US government has, I just don't think they could pull it off. But what if it didn't need to be a large conspiracy?

We already know that our politicians are up for sale. I don't think too many people would deny the amount of influence lobbyists and corporations have. So all that was really needed was a few properly placed people who completed simple tasks that were a small piece of the whole. They didn't even need to be aware that it had anything to do with the end result, or what the end result would be. Think of it this way:

A few greased palms schedules the mock exercise the same day as the real event, confusing communications. That could be as few as one person, taking a chunk of change from someone they think is, say, a defense contractor, who they think just wants it that day for convenience. I'm sure that happens enough that no one would have thought to question it at the time. Perhaps another person bought to confuse things a bit more by giving one false piece of info or delaying one small piece of info, maybe just by looking the other way, and it leads to the "stand-down"command. So as little as two people, in the right positions, bought to do very innocent-seeming things, could have allowed it to happen.

Now fast forward to the resolution and cover story. A few points to keep in mind there. One, once again, a couple of placed agents would have been very effective at leading to the Muslim terrorist conclusion, if that conclusion is even wrong. (not convinced it really is.) What else is there to tidy up? The way the buildings came down? The aftermath was damage control; I don't think it matters who did what. In the aftermath, everyone was looking out for covering themselves. Especially if there were some unwitting accomplices amongst the greased palms. Think of the panic they would have felt at realizing the results of their actions! And as for the investigation, well...since when has any government taken the blame for their mistakes if they could avoid it?

So, you see, to me, while I think it HAD to have had someone on the inside, I think it could have been as few as one or two unwitting dupes who thought they were taking bribes from corporate interests. For that matter, there were a number of corporate interests who benefited from 9/11. So who knows, maybe that's where the finger-pointing should go?

I guess my point is that the two sides tend to focus on the wrong things. At this point, Im not sure the WHO to blame even matters. What we do know is the WHAT to blame, and I think its something both sides can agree on: corruption. As long as we have the majority of people in our government for sale to the highest bidder, we will always be vulnerable to this sort of attack. Ironic, then, that these same corrupt officials are the ones tightening the screws on the "free" people of America, is it not?

Absolutely nothing has convinced me that 9/11 was an inside job.

This just a grotesque lie perpetrated by those who wish to undermine the faith of the American people in the greatest system of government in the history of man.

Only the most naive and otherwise troubled individuals could even entertain such a thought and furthermore there is no evidence whatsoever that it was an inside job.

It's utterly preposterous.

And those supposed scientists and architects who claim it was an inside job haven't produced any evidence either.

The real conspiracy is the one that perpetrates this fairy tale.

[edit on 2008/7/15 by GradyPhilpott]

9/11 first happened when I was in the 5th grade so originally I just took in what I saw an assumed what media outlets told me was true. However, after discovering Loose Change and doing a bit of research of my own, here are my big points.

-The "pulling" of WTC 7.

-The fact that the FBI confiscated ALL security tapes that captured the attack on the Pentagon, and instead of releasing a video that could have showed it all, they released five frames, none of which showed a defined plane.

-Another point is that one of the towers wasn't hit dead on, it was sorta hit on the corner of the building. You would think that when it fell, it wouldn't have fallen onto itself. If the top portion was completely separate, I could see why it fell how it did, however, only a portion of the building was missing, therefore, it should have sort of sandwiched onto itself and collapsed in a different manner.

-The lack of wreckage of Flight 93.

-Lastly, if I were to do something like this, I would do it exactly the same way it was done. Not only have one event that could be dissected and scrutinzed, but have more than one to sort of overload the American public with tragedy, making them less likely to ask questions.

But I always encourage people to come to their own conclusions and not to just believe what they are told.

"Sometime, somewhere, you take something to be the truth. If you cling to it so much, even when the truth comes in person and knocks on your door, you will not open it"

Buddha

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Absolutely nothing has convinced me that 9/11 was an inside job.

This just a grotesque lie perpetrated by those who wish to undermine the faith of the American people in the greatest system of government in the history of man.

Now Grady, a "grotesque lie perpetrated by those who wish to undermine the U.S. government" -- isn't that a bit harsh?

Do you really think Americans would make such a horrible accusation if they didn't believe it? I would hope not because I sure wouldn't.

Have you independently investigated 9/11 beyond what you've been told by the governcorpmedia? Are you familiar with the reality behind the USS Maine, Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, etc?

The U.S. government has done plenty to undermine itself. If this "greatest system of government" expects to be believed, they should try telling the truth every once in a while.

I watched the Lone Gunmen Episode 1: Pilot, which aired on March 4, 2001 and knew when I saw the events of 9-11 take place that this show was likely a preview of what really happened and why.

Lone Gunman Pilot



[edit on 7/15/2008 by UFOTECH]

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Sorry to barge in here, but I'd like to remind you of something, of course, you may or may not even care;



" And people either get it, or they don't. The ones that don't, well, just don't waste your time on them,

you could spend all day pointing out "proof" and it still wouldn't sink in. I can't say why that is

but it's true, and anyone here who has tried to convince someone who don't see it, knows exactly

what I'm sayin'... "


toodles...

A few years ago I was watching a BBC documentary about the lives of rebels and insurgents all around the world. About what they eat, how they live from day to day, etc. When the show featured communist rebels (yes, they still exist) here in the Philippines, two female teenager recruits were lecturing their fellow rebels (complete with a blackboard in a classroom setting at that) about how it was the "US Imperialists" who took down their own towers and I remember thinking, like, "Man, these commies are total idiots for believing such crap." And this was before I was opened to the world of Conspiracy Theories.

Anyhoo, For me it would be:

Bush Sr.'s New World Order speech on... ding ding ding! September 11, 1990.

Bush Jr.'s non-reaction when the first plane hit. (Cold-hearted reptilian much? )

Def Leppard symbolismwww.abovetopsecret.com...

BBC WTC-7 "cock-up" and Larry Silvertein's "pull it" thingie.

Bombs heard by firemen.

Strange photos and footage (squibs, ufo, flash before impact, etc)

Passports on sidewalk

Dancing USraelis? (I've never heard of that one before! Will go check it out. )

Massive forced sterilization (3 million) of women in my country.

The sinking of the Lusitania.

Kuwait stealing oil from Iraq.

Masonic symbolism all around us.

you get the drift...(if you still can't put two and two together then you're hopeless )

It was a funny thing for me, I heard about these theories for years but never looked into them. I'm 33 years old and for all my life, though I've been skeptical of governments actions, I believed in democracy and thought overall democratic governments had to look after their citizens because if nothing else they would be thrown out.

Then one day, a few months ago, I decided to look into how the economy works. Which led me to the Central Bank scam and at that point I totally lost all faith in governments and have been pursuing the truth ever since. 911 was just part of that. It's completely obvious to me that our governments, the banks and intelligence agencies are the terrorists. And while this is a shock at first, you look at countries around the world and throughout history and it's really not that surprising, unfortunately. Watching movies like Zeitgeist helped.

Its funny how everything really does come back to money in the end...

One thing that bugs me is 911 is Americas emergency telephone number ..I mean come on.

Plus if you was a terrorist and you was going to fly a plane into the WTC then why not go all out and fly into a nuclear power plant?

It stinks, Bush will never be held accountable because the millitry commissions act gave the Bush administration immunity against war crimes.

IMO 1/2 the world in its right mind knows it was an inside job...but just like JFK it will pass and no one will care.

Never forget the people on that day whos last choice in life was "jump or burn."

For them I want justice and in my lifetime.....but it aint gonna happen because the masses are like sheep and as long as there grass is green they aint gonna care or bother about anything.

But in answer to the question What was it that made you realize 9/11 was an inside job?
The overwhelming facts coupled with my common sense and gut feeling.

But for me the clincher is ............its all of it it stinks.

What happened to My Americia?



[edit on 15-7-2008 by N.B.A.Y.S.O.H]

I’ve always had a good intuition; I’m sure most people do if they allow themselves to. Mine was screaming none stop at the back of my head that day; I didn’t want to hear it though. The event consumed me for weeks; I just sat in front of the TV expecting more to be revealed, expecting something more to pop up. When Iraq and its dictator were quickly blamed I immediately knew something was off, and there just seemed to be something missing from every detail.

The video footage is the best incriminating evidence.

I’m not sure if the government actually facilitated the attack, only that there is more to what happened that day then they would like to share with us.

Originally posted by homo_borg
Dancing USraelis? (I've never heard of that one before! Will go check it out.

)

Wow, you've never heard of the "dancing Israelis?" Those dewds are famous...

The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11

...The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1)

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)

"They were like happy, you know. They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)

Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)

"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7)

Based on [those] phone calls, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey.

White, 2000 Chevrolet van with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after the initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals... (9)

...The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (11)

The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (12)

The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge, but the ethnicity of the suspects was not revealed. Here's what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001:

American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported. (13)

"...two suspects are in FBI custody after a truckload of explosives was discovered around the George Washington Bridge ... The FBI ... says enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge."

It was reported the van contained tonnes of explosives... (14)

www.whatreallyhappened.com...

ok well explosives just happen to be my area of expertise and I would like to address the "9-11 conspiracy" unfortunately I can only post so much in a response so Ill go after the towers in this response. It was reported that people heard multiple explosions seconds prior to the collapse of the WTC. This is entirely accurate. When fire burns it doesnt always burn off all the fuel. It leaves tiny little particles left over from the original source. You all know this material as "smoke". Now with that in mind every single substance has what is known as a "flashpoint" what this is is the tempeture at which a material simply ignites. For most unburnned hydrocarbons (such as that found in jet fuel) as a core flashpoint of about 1500F. Now the fire in the trade center was "funneled" (this is proven by the FDNY marshal at the time his testimony can be found the 9-11 commission to congress) what this means is that since the planes came in at a pitched angle I think it was around 32 degrees in T1 and closer to 40 degrees in T2 it allowed a tunnel affect sending the flames down multiple corridors in what firefighters call (dead space) qoute if you have questions about this. This allowed a sustained burn for approximately 10 to 20minsabout the time it took for the towers to collapse. In short what all this means is that there were multiple fires from the planes causing a phenominon known as "simultanious flashover" what this means is that all the unburnt ignited seconds after the previous floor ignited creating somewhat of a "domino effect" this would explain the multiple expolsions prior to collapse. I will address other issues in further responses.

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
I’ve always had a good intuition; I’m sure most people do if they allow themselves to. Mine was screaming none stop at the back of my head that day; I didn’t want to hear it though. The event consumed me for weeks; I just sat in front of the TV expecting more to be revealed, expecting something more to pop up. When Iraq and its dictator were quickly blamed I immediately knew something was off, and there just seemed to be something missing from every detail.

not to make you sound stupid or anything but im pretty sure they went after bin-laden and Al-Quiedia before Iraq and Huessien.