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Originally posted by ickesright
of all the people who get involved with freemasonry, maybe 5 percent progress past the 32nd and 33rd degrees, to ascertain the true hidden knowledge.
Originally posted by ickesright
one only becomes privy to this "knowledge", if you are bloodline. if you don't know what the bloodline is, refer to david icke.
Originally posted by ickesright
do yourself a favor bro, and read david ickes' books.
51. Nurture
The Way bears all things;
Harmony nurtures them;
Nature shapes them;
Use completes them.
Each follows the Way and honours harmony,
Not by law,
But by being.
The Way bears, nurtures, shapes, completes,
Shelters, comforts, and makes a home for them.
Bearing without possessing,
Nurturing without taming,
Shaping without forcing,
This is harmony.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
One step at a time. The first step is to get the Bible-thumpers to realize that half of what they believe isn't actually IN the bible.
Originally posted by Grafilthy
True, but is the bible not a work of fiction?
Thus much at least, I can say about all writers, past or future, who say they know the things to which I devote myself, whether by hearing the teaching of me or of others, or by their own discoveries-that according to my view it is not possible for them to have any real skill in the matter. There neither is nor ever will be a treatise of mine on the subject. For it does not admit of exposition like other branches of knowledge; but after much converse about the matter itself and a life lived together, suddenly a light, as it were, is kindled in one soul by a flame that leaps to it from another, and thereafter sustains itself. Yet this much I know-that if the things were written or put into words, it would be done best by me, and that, if they were written badly, I should be the person most pained. Again, if they had appeared to me to admit adequately of writing and exposition, what task in life could I have performed nobler than this, to write what is of great service to mankind and to bring the nature of things into the light for all to see? But I do not think it a good thing for men that there should be a disquisition, as it is called, on this topic-except for some few, who are able with a little teaching to find it out for themselves. As for the rest, it would fill some of them quite illogically with a mistaken feeling of contempt, and others with lofty and vain-glorious expectations, as though they had learnt something high and mighty.
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by JoshNorton
I think the problem is we trust ourselves so little that we try to follow in the exact footsteps of others who seem a little more enlightened than we, (whether that is true or not) when what we need to do is move in their general direction choosing our OWN steps, that work for us. (Again, this relates to that not forcing some pre-determined plan on "what is" but instead conforming ourselves to "what is" including "what we are.") The sacred writings are there to help, but they cannot impart understanding by force. Flowing into them, allowing synchronicity and your own discernment to guide you, is a much better method (in my opinion) to follow the path YOUR soul/awareness/higher Self needs to come to that understanding.
[edit on 16-7-2008 by Illusionsaregrander]
Originally posted by lost in the midwest
I believe to be able to learn one must first be humble. Thus set oneself beneath something that is greater. When our Ego is too great we can not learn
Originally posted by Fulcrum29
Thanks for the reply.
Yes just from the few threads I read on here and my own research on the internet I was able to ascertain that 32 is indeed the highest degree in Scottish Rite, being called Knight of St Andrew (KoSA) apparently in some if not all of the 'districts/jurisidictions'.
A good description is given here:
Originally posted by emsed1
reply to post by Masonic Light
I don't want to derail, but I just wanted to ask a question. Last night at lodge I noticed an old diagram on the wall that referred to 'Active' 33d and 'Honorary' 33d.
What's the deal with that?
Thanks!
The purple cap denotes a 33° Sovereign Grand Inspector General and an active member of the Supreme Council. This is the title of an Active Member of The Supreme Council. There is only one Active Member for any one Orient (state, territory, or country). He is the highest ranking officer of the Rite within his jurisdiction, and, in relation to the Rite, his powers are similar to those of a Grand Master of the Symbolic Craft subject, however, to The Supreme Council and the Sovereign Grand Commander.
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Enlightenment isnt a competition, it is for the good and benefit of all people, things, all that is. Which is why anyone who guards some mystic "secret" jealously has no secret worth hearing. It doesnt matter who among us becomes more enlightened. And enlightenment isnt a one time event. You dont get "there" and its all done. We all shine relatively more or less brightly as we move towards or away from the Divine. No one is so enlightened that they cannot shine brighter, and no one is so "dark" that they cannot shine as brightly as a Buddha or Christ.
Originally posted by emsed1
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander
For myself, I know there is a long way to go. Every once in a while I will catch a brief glimpse but then daily life distracts me and I may go months or years before I pick up the search again.
In many ways I feel like it is just 'right here' in front of me but I just can't quite seem to get 'there'.
What I find exceptionally difficult, and I would be interested in the perspective of others, is the sensitivity to synchronicities. I often find it hugely difficult to differentiate and can be overwhelmed by what seems like mounds of what could be and am often unsure of what is.
Originally posted by emsed1
And I think I just proved how much written language SUCKS for trying to express ideas.
Originally posted by emsed1
reply to post by Masonic Light
I don't want to derail, but I just wanted to ask a question. Last night at lodge I noticed an old diagram on the wall that referred to 'Active' 33d and 'Honorary' 33d.
What's the deal with that?
Thanks!
Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
I struggle to explain these 'things' to myself, let alone to others, but the over-riding sense is of all things falling into place. It is to me a process of assimilation, and as you say it ebbs and flows, pits and troughs.
Fragment 6
1 It is fitting (OR: necessary) to say and noein eon (being; what is) is; for it is (for this can be; for it is) for being (OR: to be),
(OR:It is necessary/fitting to say and noein that eon is; for...)
(OR:...; for to be is,)
2 By no means is it not. These things I bid you to indicate to yourself;
(OR:Nothing is not....)
3 For from this first road of inquiry I bar you,
4 But also from the road on which mortals understanding nothing
5-6 Wander two-headed, for helplessness in their own breasts drives their wandering noos straight, and they are borne lurching along
7 Deaf and blind equally, dazed, a tribe without judgment,
8 By whom it is held that pelein (to be; to go on) and ouk einai (not to be) are the same
9 And not the same, but the path of all is back-turning.
Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
What I find exceptionally difficult, and I would be interested in the perspective of others, is the sensitivity to synchronicities. I often find it hugely difficult to differentiate and can be overwhelmed by what seems like mounds of what could be and am often unsure of what is. The sheer quantity can sometimes not just overwhelm, but given a tender frame of mind, threaten. I am often torn between a number of sequences and left highly confused.
The greater and more varied my collection of 'ideas' becomes, the more aware I am of the continuity of my own within that.
I am often torn between a number of sequences and left highly confused.
37 And He took with Him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and He began to be sorrowful and deeply distressed. 38 Then He said to them, “My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and watch with Me.”
39 He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible,let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”