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He said he would make federal assistance conditional on school districts establishing service programs and set the goal of 50 hours of service a year for middle and high school students.
For college students, Obama would set the goal at 100 hours of service a year and create a $4,000 annual tax credit for college students that would be tied to that level of service.
Obama said he realizes there will be skeptics, but stressed that greater public service will make the nation safer.
Call BS all you like. We're all entitled to our opinion, at least for the moment..
Originally posted by jprophet420
Again, you infer this. Not to many "I told you so" prophecy threads going on here, I'm calling BS.
Yeah, you lucked out. Those who follow you though will get to mandatorily volunteer for the same opportunity.
As far as the federal government having the right, whatever. I'm glad they lent me the money for college.
Originally posted by ludaChris
Originally posted by Ruggeder
But how can you presume to tell someone else what they need? I agree with what you say about some people in this country and no doubt the world, who certainly live in egregious excess. But that is also within their rights if they have the means to do so. Then you make a blanket statement about Republicans, Christians, and hillbillies? I lived among those Republican, Christian, hillbillies for 5 years, and they were very hospitable to me in every capacity. Granted some were a little on the strange side from my perspective, being the city slicker I am, but they were good folk.
You seem to have misunderstood what I said, as did the no doubt angry republican who responded before you. his post first, yes those states are "red" states, however not everyone there is "red" they just voted more or fixed it, the state is, in fact most states, are 50-50.
On to what you said. I can presume to tell someone what they need based on common sense and humanity. I realize people, especially here in America, think everyone who isn't them can starve and die and they'll eat 10 pounds of steak throw 9 pounds out and say well I can afford it so its fine. It isn't fine, if you think that, your parents failed in raising you, period. There are people dying from lack of help, lack of food, disease, many things in this country that should never exist. Health care, Jobs, food, heat, and other things are just some of the items and basic human services that should be available to everyone regardless of race, color, political party,sex, or sexual orientation. Try not starting a couple wars and you'll see money there stealing from everyone in the form of income tax stack up, try giving some of YOUR money back to you i the form of health care, food, work, and so on. With the amount this country makes, we should never have been in debt, we should never have people dying from lack of food or health care considering how much we waste. There will be some groups who seek to take advantage of the system, there are simple laws you could make to fix that situation, and make it fair to everyone.
Originally posted by LLoyd45
reply to post by jerico65
I especially like this part of his speech..
He said he would make federal assistance conditional on school districts establishing service programs and set the goal of 50 hours of service a year for middle and high school students.
For college students, Obama would set the goal at 100 hours of service a year and create a $4,000 annual tax credit for college students that would be tied to that level of service.
Obama said he realizes there will be skeptics, but stressed that greater public service will make the nation safer.
Source
Still sound voluntary? "Federal Assistance Conditional" Sounds more like: Do this or else to me..
By The Way: Hilarious picture Jericho65!
[edit on 7/13/08 by LLoyd45]
What it's saying is: If they wish to receive federal funding, they'll will provide and implement these programs. The "No Child Left behind" program was the same kind of deal. They either provided access to the student to recruiters along with contact information, or they would not receive federal funding. Every school does so now.
Originally posted by Distractions4Nothing
It's mandatory for the school district to "establish a program". It doesn't say it's mandatory for anyone to attend said program. It doesn't even say it's mandatory for the program to meet its "goals".
Actually I think he's a very devious man. When he said "words mean everything", he meant it! They may be weasel words, but they're still binding.
Relax. Obama is way to wishy-washy to do anything as decisive as making something mandatory.
Originally posted by LLoyd45
Call BS all you like. We're all entitled to our opinion, at least for the moment..
Originally posted by jprophet420
Again, you infer this. Not to many "I told you so" prophecy threads going on here, I'm calling BS.
Yeah, you lucked out. Those who follow you though will get to mandatorily volunteer for the same opportunity.
As far as the federal government having the right, whatever. I'm glad they lent me the money for college.
This is rich.. A person that can't even spell the word indicative, is attempting to criticize me about my education? If I were you, I'd ask for a refund on my tuition fees..
Originally posted by jprophet420
Lucked out? They get the same deal as me + 4k tax credit. They only get the 4k tax credit for community service. Your inferences are kind of indicitive of why he wants to better education.
Originally posted by semperfortis
Keep this in mind people...
It is NOT MANDATORY for each individual state to conform to Federal Mandates on Speed restrictions, Exit Sign Design and Road Construction; BUT ; If they do not, they lose millions in Federal Tax Dollars.
Obama can CALL a thing voluntary and it makes it all better huh?
Welcome to the upcoming...
United Soviet States of America
Semper