Islam will win

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I would have to say that the Islamic way of life is not inevitable. Just because the "War on Terrorism" is failing, does not mean that we must embrace their way of life. Muslims are just as justified in their own religions as any others, (yes, including Christians) because it's what they personally believe, and it is their God given right to believe in that, but doesn't mean they must suppress others into believing that. I don't know how people can think that Islamics are going to take over the world, but then again, here in Canada, there was a new law trying to be passed about Sharia I think it's called, where the Islams have their own Governing body aside from the Federal Government. Now that riles me up. Honestly? Who thinks they can just walk into a country and run it themselves. This is a good country, and I'm not going to let random people take it over.

Islam isn't the future, nor is a world without it. There should be no such thing as a Theocracy. I for one would much rather have an oppressive America under Capitalist pigs rather than religious zealots. Islam means: Oppressed women, complicated language and bad architecture. Not for me. There are far to many people that would reject the idea of an Islamic majority ruling the nation (as would it be with any other religion) and thus, would never work. I can assure you there would be much bloodshed (including our freedom believing selves) before there would ever be an Islamic government running the United States and Canada, and I for one, would be dead.

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here in Canada, there was a new law trying to be passed about Sharia I think it's called, where the Islams have their own Governing body aside from the Federal Government. Now that riles me up. Honestly? Who thinks they can just walk into a country and run it themselves. This is a good country, and I'm not going to let random people take it over.

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Well man if that is not the most depressing thing I have ever heard in my life I don't know what is. I'm telling you man if that happens you might as well kiss Canada good bye because they have already won.

THIS IS AN EXERPT FROM WIKIPEDIA

The jizya originates in the Qur'an which says “Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of the truth among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”[Qur'an 9:29] The "Book" refers to the People of the Book, Jews and Christians,but the jizya was extended to all conquered non-Muslims. The jizya is less than the Zakah (money given to the poor and needy) which is payable to non-Muslims in need.

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Yes, it is very depressing, but there is a light. This was a few years ago, and the law got quickly crushed by both sides of the strongly opposing government(s) so there was no question. What does worry me is the increase in rights movements to the point where technically, they would have the right to have their own Government. Makes me wonder, people would have an outcry about this type of thing, but when you look at the front page of ATS, you see so much pertaining to how American homeland security is just raping everyone of their own rights, which may be true, but isn't it a safeguard against this type of thing to?

Most people would hate me for saying this, but it's another reason I'm going to get into Government. To make sure something like the Sharia Law never happens in my lifetime. It seems as if we aren't safe from anything these days. Kinda makes the war on Terrorism seem justified, but that'd be to sheepish I guess. Don't worry, I know it's all not what it seems.

Edit: Here is a link to the BBC Article about the movment being squashed by the government: news.bbc.co.uk...

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I for one will not sit back and watch the America I love bow to other nations. While we are going to have to suffer more losses there is a point that the American people will not stand still. We have not yet been tested to our full ability. All that the Muslims have to do is keep pushing and trying our patience; while we sit here quietly many of us are just waiting at the chance to have our voices heard. So say what you will about bending to religions and other cultures but we will stand together again like we have done in the past.

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Yes but they are among us...

they live here, are american and everything...

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True, but the ones that do live without complaining and making a fuss are usually the ones that appreciate, and aren't radicalists. These are the ones that are okay, in the same way, with any other religion, we can accept those who believe, but don't disturb. The ones that are fine can be left alone, however, the ones that disturb what is left of "good" society must be "persuaded" to do "otherwise" by "whatever means" (Yes, I am sounding like Bush.) But it's all for the good interested of the Free West, isn't it? I'm starting to think the bible predicted this thousands of years ago, making it imminent, but thats kind of a different subject. Anyways, I'm off. Have a good evening everyone.
Peace

Before Anybody Talks About Islamic Jihadits (not pointing any fingers) why don't you look at the US Government first. Ever since WW2, they have been oppressing and derailing countries. Here are some Examples..
VIETNAM...30 000 American soldiers dead/wounded
................3 000 000 Vietnamese dead (80% being civilians)
Iraq..........3 210 American soldiers dead/wounded
................58 210 Iraqi civilians dead---2 000 soldiers
Afghanistan..2 200 American soldiers dead/wounded
................13 000 civilians dead---1 200 taliban

so if you look at these figures, who are the real terrorists hmm? the only reason Islam is spreading so fast is because people embrace it. They are peace loving people who only want to live peacefully but are racially discriminated because your *snip* Government put a terrorist Image on them.
the US government has been doing it for Years and will continue to do it.
it is up to the American people to change this but they must first actually wake up and see the Goddamn truth.

Real News go here if you want to see news that hasn't been altered to please someone or to cover up the truth on the real middle east crises


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Hahahahaha I think maybe your numbers are a little skewed. But then I saw the link you posted for the "REAL NEWS" (which was Al Jazeera) and then it started to make sense. So how about this why don't you watch this video www.youtube.com... And then tell me how peace loving and caring muslims are.

Also here are a few exerpts from the Koran

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

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“Love the Lord your God with all your passion and prayer and intelligence. Love others as well as you love yourself.” - Yeshua Kristos



once i know myself perhaps i will befriend myself
a little bird told me several words
several small starlings said seven things
every lingering meaning

when the final seal is broken
my hope will explode like a chrysalis
i envision this self as a butterfly
better fly than never

welcome to the scorched earth orchard
a brittle fence squeaks a little dance
and every spectre reflected pensive
ever heard the story of purgatory?

a spacious wasteland oasis
a clandestine primary
every bad tangent romantic
every mad fantastic chasm

If at last the passion shines
let it grow like vines on a trestle
i'm a mortar and pestle messenger
an incandescent ephemeral effigy

do you understand my brethren?

That is beautiful !!!!!!!
I wish i was sensitive to poetry....

.....but I am not....

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Interesting thread, to say the least.

I thought I'd throw this next link in just for conversation.

1st Muslim-centric housing development in Canada, north of Toronto

VAUGHAN, Canada (AFP) — The homes come with separate living rooms for men and women. Streets are named Bashir, Zafrulla Khan, and Abdus Salam. And every house has a view of the mosque, visible from miles around. This is Peace Village, a residential housing development in a Toronto suburb that caters to Muslims.

That's the gist of the artictle. I must admit, even coming from one of the most multi-cultural cities in the world, I find this a little disturbing. To me, it just seems like the 1st step to middle east-like enclaves, a la "Sunni vs. Shia", muslim vs. Christian. The article goes on to say that, while this community is clearly aimed at Muslims, "anyone is welcome". It looks good on paper, but how would it translate on the ground? I'm not so sure.

There was already an attempt in 2005 in Ontario to bring in Sharia law as a legally accepted alternative to our common law for family disputes. The public backlash here, at least for now, scuttled it, but how for how long?

Sharia law move quashed in Canada

I'm doing my best to not allow myself to become islamophobic over all this, but I have to admit - I'm not anxious to see the problems that have spread throughout Europe (ie: the Danish uproar over the cartoons of Muhammad) become part of our day to day exsistence here in North America. I cannot help but to think that if we, as Westerners, were to move to an Islamic country, en masse, we would not be allowed to affect changes in their culture to the degree with which they seek to change ours.

I truly hope that I'm wrong and that this isn't heading in the direction it seems to be. But one's thing's for certain - it's getting much harder to ignore the issue these days. It's popping up everywhere.

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I cannot help but to think that if we, as Westerners, were to move to an Islamic country, en masse, we would not be allowed to affect changes in their culture to the degree with which they seek to change ours.

very well crafted...
you sure get the point.

thanks for your contribution.


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Originally posted by Sniper_Instructor
Yes move to the USA where patriotism still thrives. and they take pride in thier country, unlike the european countries including the UK who have sold out their citizens to accomodate the Islamic revoloution.

Whatever people say about the USA, they wouldn't let it happen there, and that is the first place I will look to take my family, when the UK falls to the Jihadists.

You know the El-Queda/Osama only have a Problem with the US
and has nothing to do with Freedom,Democracy or any other
country for that matter. Bush just said that to get every other
country on their side. But it is basically a war against the US only.

Originally posted by SauberBMW
They are peace loving people who only want to live peacefully but are racially discriminated because your Government put a terrorist Image on them.

Are you so sure about that?

Father & brother changed in murder of 16 yr old girl - for not wearing hijab

Ms. Parvez, 16, was strangled to death in her Mississauga home on Dec. 10, after allegedly sparring with her family over her refusal to wear a hijab and other traditional garb. Her father, Muhammad Parvez, was quickly charged with murder.

Her brother was just charged this week.

This isn't propaganda. This isn't hearsay. This isn't governement labelling. This is happning in my city, Toronto, as we speak.

This is what I, personally, don't want any part of here in North America. Isn't this the exact sort of thing that people leave their home countries to escape from??? This issue isn't just about terrorism, which I will agree has been largely over-hyped. It's becoming a much broader cultural issue, which will hit home for most people in a much more personal and direct way than terrorism will.


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Originally posted by Terran Blue
Every now and then a thread comes along which is just stuffed to the brim with ignorance, arrogance, idiocy, hatred, and religious intolerance.

This is a fine example of such a thread.

You are quite right. I was just reading this with staggering amazing. I thought it was a hoax thread, but apparently these people mean what they say here.
They talk of all kinds of "complainers", but the only complainers I see are in this thread. Well, at least they found each other, it gives them a chance to rekindle their lost "individuality".

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that is scary...
really scary.

chauvinists

3: an attitude of superiority toward members of the opposite sex; also : behavior expressive of such an attitude

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very condescending....
please bring some substantial elements to your post, all i see is demagogy here.

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Wow you have proved you are very clever congratulations.

They talk of all kinds of "complainers", but the only complainers I see are in this thread. Well, at least they found each other, it gives then a chance they rekindle their lost "individuality".

The talk about complainers was muslims that move to other countries and try to complain about the way things are handled in the country they do not even belong to ie: Sniffer dogs, pork, jews, girls in revealing attire ect. See this link for more examples www.islam-watch.org...

Originally posted by TechnoFan21
The Islamic revolution is just going to be a uniting for the world because Israel will attack Iran, and there is no stopping this fact. It's going to happen. Maybe their tempest will reach Iraq too; but once this happens, the acceptive feelings for the world will double when we find that the whole world is feeling sorry for the "mistreated" and "ambushed" Muslims, when few will know that they actually had it coming, and they were asking for it.

Islam is a religion with good ideas for peace, but it is chauvinistic (which is contrary to my anti-sexist beliefs), and calls for the extermination of Jews and Christians. Most Westerners are Christians or Jews, and still the people who believe in this violent religion are embracing the ones that believe in it.

haha, that's funny - "a religion with good ideas for peace"

It's not even a religion in the first place - it's a booklet of war propaganda that this Mohammed warmonger used to unite soldiers for his own agenda. I've read so many religious books and I have to say, I find Islam absolutely worthless and spiritually juvenile. I mean for Godssake their idea of heaven is a dedicated planet filled with virgins.. how lame is that ?

So the best thing they can come up with is endless sex with virgins (which is a pain in the neck in the first place anyway as many know.) And after the first time she isnt a virgin anymore so what are you left with 10 years into eternity ? thousands of whinging women that are no longer virgins screaming in your ear. Sounds like a great idea for peace and quiet ... not.

Just about every single page in Islam is about war, it's laced with racial hatred and polarized mentality. What really makes me laugh is when Muslims go on about how peaceful the Koran is. I think they're reading it upside down, or maybe they think it's so great because they dont see themselves as the "infidels" - only everyone else in the world regardless of race or creed. Not a muslim ? - then you're an infidel, and only sith deal in absolutes - nuff said :p



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