Zondervan faces $60M federal lawsuit over Bible, homosexuality

Originally posted by Conspiriology

No he does this BS in every thread like this, if you talk about homsexual sex they will bring up sodom and gomorah saying it was rape they were doing not gay sex, the very MOMENT you use the word rape, He will go off like a wingnut as he did here mocking up some embellished melodramatic hissy fit saying "YOU are comparing homosexuals to rapists!"

I mean it's text book stuff he and his clique pull in threads like this.

- Con

Okay, I'm game.

Go find one single thread where I talked about "sodom and gomorah"...
or one single thread where I told someone they compared homosexuality to rape.

So now he's purposely lying to you here on ATS.

In fact, I'd like to call on ALL of you to find a single thread as the one he proposed.


Good job Conspiriology, you've just proven yourself to be a blatant liar.
I applaud your incompetence.

[edit on 9-7-2008 by johnsky]

Originally posted by WarBow
Actually, I see the problem as being we live in an everthing-is-ok society. That our culture is totally discounting what God has said displeases Him is the real issue. We've adopted a politically correct view of all things and God and the Bible is NOT politically correct. Jesus wasn't politically correct and he asked that those who would follow him be politically incorrect as well. Is it sin? Call it sin but at the same time realize that YOU are a sinner too and God has forgiven you.

Speak the truth with Love. But the love required isn't popular any more. People would rather vent.

Well I can't say I don't agree with you, I do but I know who I am talking to in this case, Johnsky is a militant atheist who trolls Christians in threads where he knows they are going to say just what said here :

Actually, I see the problem as being we live in an everthing-is-ok society. That our culture is totally discounting what God has said displeases Him is the real issue

where he will start calling youa bigot and trash your religion like it was garbage in the same vien he demands "tolerance" for gays and by the end you realize all you have been doing for him the whole time is

tolerate him


- Con

Originally posted by johnsky
Okay, I'm game.

Go find one single thread where I talked about "sodom and gomorah"...
or one single thread where I told someone they compared homosexuality to rape.

So now he's purposely lying to you here on ATS.

In fact, I'd like to call on ALL of you to find a single thread as the one he proposed.


Good job Conspiriology, you've just proven yourself to be a blatant liar.
I applaud your incompetence.

Yeah you can dish it but you don't like it when you think you are the one being mis represented do ya Johnsky. Tell ya what, show me the comparison where I am equating homosexuals as murderers mary.

You didn't want to find the comparison you just wanted to make noise and the fact you have been a troll is legend here.

So you continued to lie and everytime I attempted to have you correct it you got mouthy. So how's it feel Johnsky?

How do ya like me now

- Con

I have to say that I am becoming more and more disgusted with the state of this country.

When push comes to shove, this is simply asking for money because said person is mentally weak. Nothing more, nothing less.

Regardless of what the bible says in the various translations, it's fairly well known that Christians generally feel homosexuality is wrong and/or a sin. A good deal view it as an abomination in the sight of god, so really it doesn't matter what they put in there.

Honestly, who cares. I am not Christian and I'm not really concerned with their opinions on me or my life.

Mental weakness has been around as long as humans have, but these days we foster it, sympathize with it, and for some reason generally feel we should give more and more to those who don't have the faculties to deal with the world as it really is.

As for hate crime legislation, I'd like it all to be stricken from the books as utter nonsense.

lol, ok Conspiratology...

lol, I'm flattered that you're spending so much time trying to attack me... but I think you're wasting your time.

Anyone who reads my threads knows I back myself up with reasoning.

No, I'm not a "militant atheist", I'm against violence in all forms.


All you're proving here is that you're angry, why? Because I disagreed with you? I pointed out that you inadvertently made a comparison which shows your opinion of gays?

Ask yourself why you're so angry, fix it, and lets get back to the actual subject at hand.
If you want to attack me, do so in U2U, let this thread get back to the subject at hand.

For the rest of the day, I will refrain from replying to you out in the open.

Is it a truce? I can refrain from talking to you in the open if you can do the same. The thread is getting derailed by us bickering.


By the way, who is Mary, or Julie? You've called me those names so far, are you trying to guess my name? U2U me.

[edit on 9-7-2008 by johnsky]

He should start suing preachers instead for fraud. I for one would love seeing them forced to just try and demonstrate their claims are true in a court of law.

Wow this thread got hijacked rapidly and turned into a slanging match. Back to the thread I think this is nuts, does that mean that we can sue our parents because we found out that Santa isn't real and we won't get any more presents ... oh the horror.
This is compo culture all over again, why should this person get 60m in any event. When you think about it that's many times more times the money entire families make in their lifetimes and he wants this because he was stressed and couldn't handle it. He's gay, let him on with it, plenty of gay people struggle with their sexuality and peoples perceptions of them on a day to day basis. Some even struggle with the fact that they are gay full stop.
Funny as well that he needs 60m to make him feel better. If they accepted that they have caused his suffering, accepted they were wrong, apologized and vowed to do everything in their power to prevent this ever happening again re writing books etc... Would he accept it. I doubt it, he's in it for the money. At most he should try and claim the amount of money equal to lost earnings that he could have made is he was a well adjusted gay man.

Starting to ramble here ... Just a note on our two squabblers, Con you have strong belief on the subject, I don't agree with them personally but you have to admire your convictions. However you mentioned a sin is a sin whether murder or being gay. You're a Vietnam vet, I am assuming you fought in the war and pulled the trigger as it were. Please correct and forgive me if this is incorrect as it's not a small thing to say. I am from a military family it goes with the territory but is that not itself a sin.

Jonsky WTF, I bet you could pick a fight in an empty room. Con made the connection but I could see what he was getting at. In terms of a sin is a sin regardless of the severity. You suffered a great loss with you friends many years ago to a bunch of bigots, and I would be of the same frame of mind if I was in your shoes. However why get involved in a discussion where you have no intention of changing your view point, forget about the other person. At any point during this discussion would you have been prepared to change your mind on God the bible etc... You know con is going to stick to his beliefs and no facts figures graphs or evidence is going to sway him because he is backing up his beliefs with faith. Faith can not be reasoned with (That sounds worse that I mean it to). Your argument was never going to win, as far as I can see you were both playing a game of one up man ship trying to eek a little victory. No real intention to get anything constructive out of it. It's like it was a show put on in an attempt to win over the casual reader who hadn't made their mind up one way or the other.

Anyway I'm done.

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If Zondervan believed in what they printed then all they gotta do is grab the gay dude and stone him to death just as their imaginary god tells them to do as a punishment for his "abomination".

While their at it, they can also put to death badly behaved "sons" divorcees lesbians, people who believe it took more than 6 days for the earth to evolve, doctors as this is witchery voodo magik,. anyone who works on a Sunday/ Saturday (depends whos' version of the bible you chose to believe

Ah, but of course, nutty delusional religeous types arent allowed to stone people to death anymore as ordered by their god because, decent sane people prevent their nutty churches from having control.


Allthough I would never condone the actions of a mad muslim, at least when their imaginary god tells them to do something, they do it.

Maybe a new world order has its merits after all, we may just see a day where religeon is outlawed, would that be such a bad thing?

"imagine no religeon "
The writer of that very famous line would have surely been stoned to death as a heretic if the god squad were still in control.

Yes indeed folks "all" bible publishers should be sued for spreading hate bigotry and inciting to do mental harm to others etc.

Those who would wear a swastika would be condemned, yet those who hide behind a fish pretend that the millions of deaths in the past had nothing to do with their doctrine, which according to them , has not changed!.
But the answer will allways be , "that wasnt our religeon we are a different type of christian,"

Another load off my chest , Moocowman

Originally posted by johnsky
Anyone who reads my threads knows I back myself up with reasoning.


lol, I'm flattered that you're spending so much time trying to attack me... but I think you're wasting your time.

Really?? You posted to me I didn't post to you Alzheimer's? look who attacked who. Yeah you aren't violent explains how they got your lunch money at school again huh. You don't back yourself up you paint yourself in a corner looking like the manipulative little lying bait and alerter you are.

I haven't seen an iota of reasoning and my post didn't have anything to do with gays it had to do with your silly solution of removing allegedly offensive words from it. YOU are the one who thinks the word "homosexual" is so offensive they should remove it.

again you claim you have such awesome reasoning yet anyone following this thread isn't going to agree with you. Nor are they going to be able to agree with the "inadvertent" comparison allegedly displaying my so called feelings I have for gays, for the same reason you have for a fourth time failed to quote it because their never was one made.

You lied and you can't man up and admit it. You allude to me ranting and as if my wanting the correction was too much to ask and not justified when I put the shoe on the other foot (yours) you did exactly what I thought you'd do, so I know you understand but you are too small of a person to take it back and apologize.

Im done with this thread so

enjoy your last word

- Con


[edit on 9-7-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS

Starting to ramble here ... Just a note on our two squabblers, Con you have strong belief on the subject, I don't agree with them personally but you have to admire your convictions. However you mentioned a sin is a sin whether murder or being gay. You're a Vietnam vet, I am assuming you fought in the war and pulled the trigger as it were. Please correct and forgive me if this is incorrect as it's not a small thing to say. I am from a military family it goes with the territory but is that not itself a sin.

No, there is a difference between killing and commiting murder depending on the context. I have every right to defend my home my family my country etc; if that means having to kill a man to do it.

The way the Bible sees it as sin is for instance randomly blowing a guys head off for kicks or drive by shooting, that kind of thing. If I am in the military I am Government property giving to ceasar what is ceasar's.

Yeah I agree a lot with your post too btw, I can't believe they even dignified this guys allegations with a press piece.

- Con

it is a very sad day, indeed, when somebody feels the need to sue a publishing company over a book that they did not write, they merely "printed" it. how can this man feel he deserves $60 million for his family troubles? some people just take any chance they can to make easy money

oki dokie, um sue god, go to an altar, and burn the lawsuit? as a sacrifice, and if it rains money, then you won the case!....

reply to post by ChilledVoodoo


yes like the joy of Gay sex, what an idiot! typical money grabbing again

djrevill (at work)

This case is hugely important; it could set a precedent that not only is a text responsible for libel but also for the ideas expressed in it. That has far-reaching ramifications to say the least. What if someone doesn't like the content of any other given book? They could cite damages, maybe even emotional trauma, and sue the publishers. That's absurd!

Hopefully, this case will be heard by a sane judge and not one of the many legislature/activist judges that are illegally dictating their ideas to us these days.

Originally posted by Conspiriology

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS

Starting to ramble here ... Just a note on our two squabblers, Con you have strong belief on the subject, I don't agree with them personally but you have to admire your convictions. However you mentioned a sin is a sin whether murder or being gay. You're a Vietnam vet, I am assuming you fought in the war and pulled the trigger as it were. Please correct and forgive me if this is incorrect as it's not a small thing to say. I am from a military family it goes with the territory but is that not itself a sin.

No, there is a difference between killing and commiting murder depending on the context. I have every right to defend my home my family my country etc; if that means having to kill a man to do it.

The way the Bible sees it as sin is for instance randomly blowing a guys head off for kicks or drive by shooting, that kind of thing. If I am in the military I am Government property giving to ceasar what is ceasar's.

Yeah I agree a lot with your post too btw, I can't believe they even dignified this guys allegations with a press piece.

- Con

Well according to your own words, you are going to be in the deep south without the AC:

You don't know a damn thing about that book for if you did you would know how many sins it takes to go to hell.
It takes ONE
Now if murder is a sin and homosexual sex is a sin do you know what difference it makes to God? NONE!

It does not matter to God whether you did it for your country or not, you killed people, bottom line. This does matter to the entire conversation. You are a hypocrite. You cannot sit and profess to know what constitutes a sin when you cherry pick what those actually are.

this is very interesting....especially the first 20 minutes or so...



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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Well all i hear is people giving their power away and saying Jesus forgives you for being gay and for doing all that is a sin! Maybe what is in the Bible isnt correct.. maybe everything we think of religion has been twisted and manipuliated into a controlling of society and a mind control for all of the people who believe in this Book... but who an i to say this... who are you to believe in what you believe!!!

People are brought up to believe in faith from a small age... we all have our inner beliefs and that is fine... and deep down we all know the truth even though books are thrown at us.. we are told to behave a certain way..and then we are told Jesus loves us and he can wipe away all our sins!!!!

I think learn your own lesson and and grow up knowing what is right and wrong based on love and respect of others.. I dont believe that being gay is a sin, the compleate opposite to be honnest. as it is about LOVE and respect of love for one another.

Anyone who think that sinning in any form of murder, crime, and believe that their sins can be wipe away cus Jesus died for us all.. need to look at their actions and ask themselves if they actually believe they can ever forgive themselves for what they did.

Being Gay is no sin... being in love with a human being that loves you back, who is of the same sex, who is an adult and has the ability to look beyond gender.. beyond what the powers at be wanted to suppress in humans.. TO FEAR LOVE OF ALL... beacuse that power that ability unlocks the doors to unthinkable and unimaginable potential for the human race..

Anyone that has fear for homosexuals.. who has pity for homosexuals, who does not have love for them!!!! Take a look at yourselves very deepy and go within... dont try and find answers from the very texts that try to control and DO control some of you out there.

SO much contridiction, so much hate, so much pitty... so much Sinning...

This guy is making a point that he is a HUMAN he was treated badly all his life!!! cus he LOVES,, LOVES someone who is the same gender!! This is wrong that he has to grow up in a society where he is punished for LOVING SOMEONE WHO LOVES THEM BACK! where does this not compute in peoples heads?????? Brain washing comes to mind!!!!!
I think he is in his rights to sue! yeh everyone is out to make a buck these days right!!! hes gay but hes no different from any of the straight people out there.. the business people who no longer care for service they just want more money!!!

At least this guy wants money cus his life was effected by his own LOVE for another HUMAN!!! beacuse of what the bible has writen in it and how its been twisted and mis interprited in the church.

Blegghhhh...

enough of my rant,

good day.

Star for you!

I am begining to think that I may find it in my heart of hearts to forgive Jesus and Christians in general, but then they do support the Neo-Cons.

The U.S. Courts do not have Constitutional jurisdiction to even hear this case.

Of course, the Clinton/Bush eras have perverted a great deal in jurisprudence in the States, but this really out to be tossed out with prejudice.

The christian denominations that are the largest in the world regard translation as not a matter of science but as a matter of religious inspiration. Religious inspirations, religious texts, and religious behaviours should not find their way into the the U.S. legal system. That is the ideal, and I hope that this case is not entertained so as to erode yet another area in USAmerican liberty.

I guess he'd rather have the literal (no "misinterpretation) verses in the bible acted out, instead of the misinterpretations. Well, I guess his family should have put him to death, as he doesn't like (supposed) misinterpretations of the bible. I'm an atheist, but this guy is an idiot. Blame the idiotic people following the book. They are always the final deciders in what they do.

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Actually while I think the case is silly so late after the bible content was altered 20 years ago, if he gets a good lawyer that specializes on hate crime he may have a chance.

But he is claiming personal and emotional distress and this types of cases base on feelings alone do not do well.



[edit on 10-7-2008 by marg6043]