First Responder States CD Countdown before WTC 7 Collapsed

reply to post by Seymour Butz


To set up the secret super duper ACME thermite bombs! We all know the FDNY carried those on the special Skyscraper Demo Trucks.

Come on Seymour, keep up!

Originally posted by Seymour Butz
So why did they evacuate in the first place then?

Maybe becasue they were worried about the bulding, just did not know how long (except for the workers came out of the safety zone and stated it was coming down).

As stated firemen and rescue units go into burning and unsafe buildings all the time.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Why can't you read that the EPA requested the AVIRIS? Everyone else on here can read and see that the EPA requested the AVIRIS as it states on the USGS site.

So are you stating then that Roger Clark did not contact NASA to request the AVIRIS flyovers? I want to be sure about that before I publicly embarass you.

Originally posted by gavron
So are you stating then that Roger Clark did not contact NASA to request the AVIRIS flyovers? I want to be sure about that before I publicly embarass you.

NO, I am stating HE CONTACTED NASA AFTER THE EPA (ORIGINALLY) REQUESTED THE AVIRIS THROUGH USGS.

You have already embarassed yourself by ignoring the fact shown to you that the EPA did request the AVIRIS through the USGS.


[edit on 25-7-2008 by ULTIMA1]

reply to post by ULTIMA1


So I was correct then. Thank you for admitting that.

I was 100% correct that Roger Clark from the USGS contacted NASA to request the flyover due to concern with asbestos contamination at the WTC location. A fact proven by NASA, and shown on the other thread.

I was hoping you would be mature enough to keep this discussion in the thread already discussing this. Apparently your true age is showing.

Originally posted by gavron
I was 100% correct that Roger Clark from the USGS contacted NASA to request the flyover

Why are you so immature as to ignore the facts posted that the EPA originally requested the AVIRIS? Please be adult enough to anwer the following question.

Does this statment say that the EPA requested the AVIRIS, YES or NO?

In response to requests from the EPA through the USGS, NASA flew AVIRIS on a De Havilland Twin Otter over lower Manhattan at mid-day on September 16 and 23, 2001.

Please join me on the other thread.

[edit on 25-7-2008 by ULTIMA1]

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Isnt this thread discussing a possible CD countdown?

I could have sworn it was.

Apparently ULTIMA1 is too immature to keep this thread on topic, since he las obviously lost this debate, so must try and shift it.

If we are lucky, it will come back to the OPs topic. Lets all hope.



[edit on 25-7-2008 by gavron]

Originally posted by gavron
Maybe someday it will return to the original topic when the kids go out to play.

Please be adult enough to join me in the other thread and answer the question asked.

There are a few odd things about this countdown

It wasn't a countdown until many years after the event
More of that 'inflationary' technique to keep the conspiracy theory on the boil?

The Red Cross was on the same frequency which means it would have to have been a standard emergency services general usage channel and those get recorded yet no transcripts have come to light. Plenty of hobbyists with scanners and CBers listen in on those frequencies too.

The 'run for your life' aspect of it
I thought everyone was already pulled out of the collapse zone at that stage?

reply to post by Pilgrum

being able to

You have brought up a really good point!! It seems that there would have been obsessive montiroing of all CB scanner and HAM frequencies that day, and in my little research I just did, no mention of anyone being able to hear anything about the response on normal channels, why?

I actually have a new spark about this whole scanner, cb, ham issue and will devote some time to finding out some answers, if I can.


Anyway what is your stanced about this, what do you think really happened?

Originally posted by Pilgrum
it would have to have been a standard emergency services general usage channel and those get recorded yet no transcripts have come to light.

You mean just like all the other transcripts that have not been released yet by the FBI or NTSB?

reply to post by theability


Thanks in advance for anything you may find on this aspect. If there was a countdown it would have been transmitted to every handheld radio in the area IE they'd all have to be on the same channel (firefighters, police, etc & even the red cross & ambulance services it seems). It's very likely it was a TMR network (trunk mobile radio) which operates on UHF.

My stance?
I'm trying to stay objectively realistic about it all. Whatever really happened has to join all the dots and there's still a lot of dots to connect together.



[edit on 27/7/2008 by Pilgrum]

Originally posted by Pilgrum
Thanks in advance for anything you may find on this aspect. If there was a countdown it would have been transmitted to every handheld radio in the area IE they'd all have to be on the same channel (firefighters, police, etc & even the red cross & ambulance services it seems).

But even if there were transcripts of the communication it has not been released just like most other transcriipts that have not been released by the FBI and NTSB.

reply to post by ULTIMA1


Do you think the FBI & NTSB has hushed everyone with emergency services communications in lower manhattan on 9/11, even ambulance workers and ham radio enthusiasts?

Maybe they could seize transcripts but they can't take back the transmission if it was made. The only person claiming to have heard it wasn't even in possession of a radio on that network.

Damocles said it best - 'if it isn't written down it never happened'.
All communications are recorded, all actions are logged and it's all part of covering your rear end when the inevitable investigation comes up.


[edit on 27/7/2008 by Pilgrum]

Originally posted by Pilgrum
Damocles said it best - 'if it isn't written down it never happened'.
All communications are recorded, all actions are logged and it's all part of covering your rear end when the inevitable investigation comes up.

Oh you know for sure that it was not written down? Or maybe its just 1 of the many reports and transcripts that have not been released?

What about all the first repsonders coming out and speadking out against the officail story?

[edit on 27-7-2008 by ULTIMA1]

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I don't know for sure either way
If it didn't happen then there'll be no record
If it happened it's recorded somewhere, magnetically and manually
Find a record and there's the proof

How many of those first responders speaking out heard a countdown first hand on their comms system?

reply to post by ULTIMA1


There was no count down Ultima. There is not a soul in the world besides McPadden that heard this.

Why wouldn't ONE red cross worker come out to support this?

The man changed his story at least three times. This has been shown.

Oh, and please list the firefighters that think 911 was an inside job.

Thank you.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
There was no count down Ultima. There is not a soul in the world besides McPadden that heard this.

And your facts and evidence are?

Or is it just your opinion?

Oh, and please list the firefighters that think 911 was an inside job.

I guess you cannot read to well, i stated first repsonders.

Here are some videos of first responders speaking at aganst the official story and wanting an investigation.

www.youtube.com...

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[edit on 27-7-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1


And your facts and evidence are?

Or is it just your opinion?

That the only person that stated this lied about it. I posted videos of him several pages back along with written statements from him. He is a BS artist.

There is nothing to support his lie. End of story.

I guess you cannot read to well, i stated first repsonders.

Here are some videos of first responders speaking at aganst the official story and wanting an investigation.

I can't read... and you can't spell. What has happened to the educational system in the United States?!

Before I watch a You-Tube video, would you mind giving a little synopsis of what it is? I asked for a list of firefighters... Sorry... a list of first responders would serve just as well.

reply to post by ULTIMA1


Three first reposnders. (i only watched the first video)

Craig Bartman, Liar McPadden, and the third guy I did not know.

The third man was genuine. I would ask that you look into the statements made though from the EPA and start a thread about that.