First Responder States CD Countdown before WTC 7 Collapsed

This article I uncovered today, forgive me if it has been posted in another thread, yet I looked through what I could find and saw nothing about this truly amazing testimony.....


www.prisonplanet.com...


The implications within this 'testimony' are devastating to say the least. Yet is seems more individuals are coming forward to be true patriots, standing alone, when all others hide....

Can this be a complete turn around regarding this fateful day?

[edit on 8-7-2008 by theability]

Indira Singh...
Very interesting, very incriminating. Not proof of anything but certainly discrediting to what has been presented by mainstream media (the OS as we call it).

I was there, I heard the countdown, they were just counting the firemen being PULLED out of the building before the fires symetrically took down the building, you conspiracy guys are whacked. - Shill response.

[edit on 9-7-2008 by IvanZana]

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Ivan,

I pointed on on the WTC-7 Thread about the rather drastic changes this man made in his stories over the years. His first interview he mentioned nothing about a countdown. A year later he states that the Red Cross worker had a look on his face "like run for your life".... then in another interview he stated the the Red Cross worker yelled "RUN FOR YOUR LIFE."

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by IvanZana

 

Ivan,

I pointed on on the WTC-7 Thread about the rather drastic changes this man made in his stories over the years. His first interview he mentioned nothing about a countdown. A year later he states that the Red Cross worker had a look on his face "like run for your life".... then in another interview he stated the the Red Cross worker yelled "RUN FOR YOUR LIFE."

If you can't discredit the information, then try to discredit the person reporting the information.

Does anyone else tire of this pseudo-skeptic who finds a way to work his deceptions into every thread?

reply to post by GoldenFleece


He discredits himself each time he changes his story about that day. Just like Willie Rodriguez

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999



I see you're still hanging around ATS 9/11 threads like the aroma of rotten meat. If these claims are so ridiculous, then why do you persistently regurgitate your two cents worth on such non-issues?

Why does your writing style remind me so much of Carl Cameron?










[edit on 7/9/08 by HaveSeen4Myself]

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Now how can you screw up stench and still get regurgitate?


Why does my style remind you of Carl Cameron? Thats because we have a book we share that shows us how to dumb down our posts so people like you can understand them.

BTW, I disposed of that whole CameronFox is Carl Cameron is Swampfox issue long ago...check the archives.

In classic FOX style, you did not address the question I posed to you. I won't be holding my breath for that response.

I have a feeling that you're being paged at the 'Pokemon Doesn't Exist' forum. By all means, please don't allow me to distract you from your endless crusade for the truth brother Carl.





[edit on 7/10/08 by HaveSeen4Myself]

Originally posted by IvanZana
I was there, I heard the countdown, they were just counting the firemen being PULLED out of the building before the fires symetrically took down the building, you conspiracy guys are whacked. - Shill response.

Thats funny since the fire chiefs have stated all the firemen were evacuated from the building several hours before the building was brought down.

You might want to look at statments made by Chief Nigro and Chief Hayden before posting something that makes you look like you do not know what your talking about.





[edit on 10-7-2008 by ULTIMA1]

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Several hours? You might need to check your research. Fireman reluctantly came out of the building maybe 90 minutes before it collapsed.

You might want to look at statements made by Chief Nigro and Chief Hayden before posting something that makes you look like you do not know what your talking about.

Kevin McPadden in his own words

In this video, Kevin claims that the Red Cross rep said "They are thinking about bringing the building down". Now this is different from his statement here stating that he was thinking or being told the building was likely to come down due to structural damage.


In the following video he states that he heard "pulsed speech". No mention of 3..2..1.., you he said... "that means to me it was most likely a countdown".




What I found more interesting is that there is audio of McPadden from September 2006 on Guns & Butter, and he does not mention of any Red Cross personnel with a radio, of him hearing anything on any radio, of any "countdown", of any Red Cross worker "giving him a look", of any Red Cross worker yelling, "Run for your lives", etc.

In fact, his story in September 2006 was vastly different than his most recent versions of events. He does tell other stories, though, and frankly, I have a hard time believing almost all of them. Michael Bloomberg accosted him and said, "you think you look cool with that cigarette in your mouth, but you look like a dirtbag"? Um, I somehow doubt it.

He fought with security guards at St. Vincent's Hospital and pinned someone up against a wall while attempting to obtain medical supplies even though he claims that they unnecessary because there was nobody to save? Um, I doubt that, too.

Anyway, the story he was telling last year is available at the following link.

kpfa.org...

(from the 46 minute mark to the 55 minute mark)

Here is another video from last October:
mp3.wtprn.com...


Very interesting guy.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Several hours? You might need to check your research. Fireman reluctantly came out of the building maybe 90 minutes before it collapsed.

Its so fun and easy to prove i do research. You should try it sometime.

Well according to Chief Hayden they started evacuating firemen hours before the building was brought down, the last of the firemen were evacuated around 3:30 the building was brought down around 5:00.

www.firehouse.com...

We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.

We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o�clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then.

[edit on 11-7-2008 by ULTIMA1]

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Isn't the difference between 3:30 and 5:00 equal to 90 minutes?

What time was the infamous 'pull it' decision made IE was it before the firemen were pulled back from the collapse zone?

What I find really interesting is how all three buildings fall in the same manor....Straight down, as if there was COMPLETE structure failure in all three buildings. That's quite a coincedence, I think.

If, these buildings fell on there own, I would entertain the thought that some parts of the building structure would still be intact and as a result would imply a partial collapse.

If I had these odd's every time I go to Vegas, I would come out a winner every time.

reply to post by HaveSeen4Myself

I always thought Ann Coulter was lurking on this forum somewhere. A lot of posts are made in her ultra bitchy style. (I think hammering home a point against Ann Coulter would be fun.)

Originally posted by Pilgrum
Isn't the difference between 3:30 and 5:00 equal to 90 minutes?

What time was the infamous 'pull it' decision made IE was it before the firemen were pulled back from the collapse zone?

I noticed you failed to read or ignored the first quote i posted.

If you read Chief Nigros statment you will see that he evacuated the firemen 3 hours before the building came down.

911guide.googlepages.com...

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

[edit on 12-7-2008 by ULTIMA1]

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ULTIMA1,
You stated 90 minutes here:

Well according to Chief Hayden they started evacuating firemen hours before the building was brought down, the last of the firemen were evacuated around 3:30 the building was brought down around 5:00.

3:30 to 5pm is 90 minutes. Not 3 hours, not several hours. 90 minutes.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
You stated 90 minutes here:
3:30 to 5pm is 90 minutes. Not 3 hours, not several hours. 90 minutes.

I see you failed to read or ignored the first part i quoted from Chief Hayden.

so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.

Also the following quote from Chief Nigro.

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

[edit on 13-7-2008 by ULTIMA1]

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Regardless of the first part, the second post stands as you yourself have quoted. You stated youself:

Well according to Chief Hayden they started evacuating firemen hours before the building was brought down, the last of the firemen were evacuated around 3:30 the building was brought down around 5:00.

From 3:30 to 5:00pm is 90 minutes. Not several hours.

If that fact is not correct, then why did you post it above? Why state it was only 90 minutes in one post and several hours in another?