More eyewitness validation coming soon!

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by jthomas
That REALLY is priceless. I can't wait to see "The Dynamic Bozos" weasel their way out of the mess they put themselves into this time.

You know. I've given this well over 24 hours and nothing has been done. I'm not just saying I waited for a mod to intervene, I actually "alerted" this post. But, It just goes to show how biased the 9/11 thread mods are. I'm sorry. If I called Seymour Butz, jthomas and ThroatYogurt the three dynamic prick bozo clowns who can suck my left nut and choke on the right, I'm sure I'd be the one with the warn. But yet, none of these three get a warn for ANYTHING they say or do on here? *

* Edit: Sorry mods, no need to go public with my complaints like that. My appologies.

Perhaps you would be good enough to explain why my post would earn a warning.

I don't know. Maybe calling CIT "the dynamic bozos"? Wouldn't that be a personal attack? I guess not as the mods have done nothing about it.

[edit on 8/1/2008 by Griff]

Originally posted by Griff
I don't know. Maybe calling CIT "the dynamic bozos"? Wouldn't that be a personal attack? I guess not as the mods have done nothing about it.

[edit on 8/1/2008 by Griff]

It's actually a compliment compared to what they really are. You can review the CIT forum for more details.

Griff,
You spend a lot of time on here so why not take action and get the CIT evidence before a court?

reply to post by TheBobert


Are you kidding?

After complaining for months about NIST not finding out what the sulfur source was for the sulfided steel found under the towers, he wouldn't even find out if it was technologically feasible.

The truth movement isn't a movement, it's a club that meets, but does nothing......

Originally posted by Seymour Butz
After complaining for months about NIST not finding out what the sulfur source was for the sulfided steel found under the towers, he wouldn't even find out if it was technologically feasible.

Sorry. I wasn't aware I was tasked with NIST's job?

reply to post by Griff


Do you understand yet that while it's technologically possible, in practice, it wasn't? And that your complaining is now shown to be just a lot of hot wind?

But perhaps the biggest thing for me is, the utter laziness of someone who claims to be looking for truth, and yet does absolutely NOTHING to find answers.

No movement, just a club that does nothing, and goes nowhere....

I was thinking along those same lines earlier today.
They have been screaming for years about taking action, protesting, researching, etc.
All of these undertakings have to have a goal in mind!
Researchers like the CIT claim to have evidence of Mass Murder yet no actions are taken whatsoever to get it before a court.
The CIT seems to spend countless hours defending their position to the detractors instead of getting the eveidence to a damn court!
I do have to admit though that craig looks rather cute with his shirt half unbutttoned in their latest video!

Originally posted by jthomas
Most of you who have followed Ranke's evasion of this crucial physical evidence at the Pentagon know that CIT had to avoid discussing the wreckage at all costs.

I don't see anything illegitimate about interviewing independent eye witnesses. In view of the highly contended and unsatisfactory evidence of what happened at the Pentagon, it is entirely valid. It is up to us how we assess that evidence and weigh it against the existing testimony and forensics.

Nevertheless, I agree it would also be interesting to cross examine witnesses to what you term the "crucial physical evidence at the Pentagon."

Anyone care to track down Allyn E. Kilsheimer, the CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC? He would be most interesting to quiz because he claims to have stumbled upon some of the most vital pieces of physical evidence on the afternoon of 9/11 - the flight recorder and tail section of the plane.

“I stepped on the plane’s black box by accident.” "I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box.” George Washington Magazine, Spring 2002.

As the head structural engineer responsible for rebuilding the Pentagon under the Phoenix Project and the blast expert the government turned to for an analysis of the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 and the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, I'm sure there is much he could reveal.

Why did he claim to find the flight data recorder on 9/11 while the FBI Evidence Response Team (specifically firefighters Carlton Burkhammer and Brian Moravitz) claim they found both flight recorders three days later?

Black Boxes Located in Pentagon Rubble Washington Post, Friday, September 14

Rescuers End Demanding, Discouraging Shift, Fairfax, Montgomery Crews' Only Triumph: Black Boxes Washington Post, Wednesday, September 19

Perhaps he would just repeat the story and leave us to guess whether he, the firefighters or all are lying.

And perhaps like jthomas we should just accept it when the NTSB releases the data from this alleged black box that shows a plane that never descended below 273 feet. (The Pentagon is 71ft, the lightposts are about 40ft).

Perhaps we should just accept it when the NTSB refuses to comment but admits it has no records of any effort to positively identify the black boxes or any of the wreckage of any of the airplanes.










[edit on 1-8-2008 by EvilAxis]

Originally posted by Seymour Butz
But perhaps the biggest thing for me is, the utter laziness of someone who claims to be looking for truth, and yet does absolutely NOTHING to find answers.

You know what the biggest thing for me is? I don't have time to do all the research I would like to do.

I have:

1) a full time job

2) a life outside 9/11 research and truth

I suspect you have neither.

Again, I'll ask. Just exactly what are your credentials? Other than parroting what others say on the internet?

[edit on 8/1/2008 by Griff]

Originally posted by EvilAxis

Originally posted by jthomas
Most of you who have followed Ranke's evasion of this crucial physical evidence at the Pentagon know that CIT had to avoid discussing the wreckage at all costs.

I don't see anything illegitimate about interviewing independent eye witnesses.

But CIT refuses to interview any of the over 1,000 people who saw or removed the wreckage. CIT claims the wreckage was "planted" yet they haven't interviewed any of the eyewitnesses to the wreckage. To CIT, the claim is sufficient, the evidence is immaterial.

So they have no idea what those eyewitnesses know. Apparently, this is a new type of forensic investigation technique.

Check the Pentacon forum to see how they continue to refuse.

reply to post by Griff


Ha ha!! No time to do research? So says the guy with 6800 posts.

Now there's some good time prioritization.

Like I keep saying, you're in a club the does nothing, and goes nowhere.

Originally posted by Seymour Butz
reply to post by Griff

 

Ha ha!! No time to do research? So says the guy with 6800 posts.

Now there's some good time prioritization.

Like I keep saying, you're in a club the does nothing, and goes nowhere.

So, it's our job to fill in the holes left by NIST?

Please tell me this awsome research you've done by yourself.

Oh, that's right, all you do is parrot debunking911.com and screwloosechange.com

Must be nce to have all this time to "research".

BTW, the reason I didn't research whether it was posible to find the source of sulfur was because (as your corespondance with Greening shows) I already knew it was possible. Hence, no need to do "research" to find that which I already knew was possible.

I find it funny that you harp on me for not researching the sulfur suorce, but then post your researh that proves that I was correct all along.

There, now it's 6801.

Originally posted by Seymour Butz
Like I keep saying, you're in a club the does nothing, and goes nowhere.

1) I belong to no "club".

2) I agree that the truth movement will go nowhere. Because ignorant people (the masses) will always win. And due to some ignorant people in the movement itself.

3) Thank you for proving what I was saying was correct. That it is at least theoritically possible to find the sulfur source. Why wasn't it attempted?

4) You people poo-poo the idea of finding the sulfur source because it's "theoretically possible yet unprobable". But then believe that the towers and 7 fell from something that is "theorectically possible yet unprobable" in the first place.

5) To me, this is not some sort of game where you win, I win, they win etc. I'm just trying to search out the truth of what happened that day. I seriously haven't made up my mind yet. So, I have no idea why you have treated me the way you do on here. Ths is my last post to you until you can come at this with respect.

Good day to you sir.

4) You people poo-poo the idea of finding the sulfur source because it's "theoretically possible yet unprobable". But then believe that the towers and 7 fell from something that is "theorectically possible yet unprobable" in the first place.

You called it. The FEMA report even concludes its own hypothesis is 'has a high chance of improbability'.

Originally posted by Griff

1) I belong to no "club".

Ths is my last post to you until you can come at this with respect.

You also said that you " were NEVER a part of ANY "truth movement" or otherwise", and yet are a member of both ae911troof and stj911. Now, I could understand if you misspoke, or forgot, or were wrong... but really, this such an outright lie that nothing you say should ever be given much weight from this day forward. This shows a willingness to lie that is just disgusting.

You'll be waiting a long time before I can show you any respect Griff. Don't respond anymore. That suits me just fine.

Originally posted by Seymour Butz
You also said that you " were NEVER a part of ANY "truth movement" or otherwise", and yet are a member of both ae911troof and stj911. Now, I could understand if you misspoke, or forgot, or were wrong... but really, this such an outright lie that nothing you say should ever be given much weight from this day forward. This shows a willingness to lie that is just disgusting.

You'll be waiting a long time before I can show you any respect Griff. Don't respond anymore. That suits me just fine.

Ah, I see. Because I have signed an online petition asking for an independant investigation...i.e. transparent like it should be, I am part of some great culture club known as the "truth movement"? Or better yet, some "leader" as you called me? Like I said before: "And you people call us paranoid?".

And as for stj911, I have never signed their petition. I have voiced my concern about this before. Maybe you overlooked that post?

[edit on 8/2/2008 by Griff]

Craig,
Your list of individuals in on what occured at the Pentagon seems to grow with every radio appearance that you make.
You are now implicating CIVILIAN CONTRACTORS as having PLANTED EXPLOSIVES at the Pentagon!
ANY EVIDENCE OF THIS?!?!?
Then you tried to backpeddle and squirm out of your accusation by stating something about how you are not accusing them but the evidence is.
How pathetic to do that.
LOL!!!!!!!!
Dude you have now SHOT PAST Dr. Judy Woods and you are in a LALA LAND all your own!
Dr. Woods at least had the courage to stand before a court.
When will the CIT?
You are now implicating 100's upon 100's of people in this plot!!!
What was it 7 or 8 people couldnt even keep Watergate a secret and we are to believe your fantasies where several hundred people could keep quiet about MASS MURDER?

Originally posted by TheBobert
Wow big shocker there that Griff lies.
We had an exchange once in another thread were he stated that he didnt take one side or the other.
So he belongs to 2 prominent truther sites.
What a liar you are Griff.

First, I don't belong to 2 prominent truther sites.

Does being a member at ATS (a conspiracy site) make you a conspiracy theorist?

All I'm saying anymore. This is rediculous.