Life after Death...its not what we think....

Since the OP is useing the bible as a ref. for this assumtion, please read luke OP,the words of jesus clearly state,that if u belive in him and do as his fathers plan,u will have eternal life..
In luke also,from the mouth of jesus,he says fear not death,but rejoice in it for you are going to your father in heavens house.

Please do not TWIST the bible to prove your point.Jesus says over and over belive in him and belive he died for u and u have eternal life,in the many mansions of his father,he also brough people back to life,he also walk out of his tomb.

so dont state that religion twisted anything,when you yourself are the one twisting the bible.
thank you and peace be with you.

I am going to disagree with you. Life is mortal but the energy that is at the center of every human is immortal and that energy is what makes us human. Otherwise we would be nothing.

To say that the soul doesnt live on is to say that life is always new but life, as everything else in nature, is in a cycle that never ends.

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry

Originally posted by rhombus24
@OP

There is life after death, and we do have a soul. Like other people have been saying YOU have never had an OOBE or Astral projection experience. YOU decide to use words and tricky semantics AND YOU REFER TO THE BIBLE. Let me ask you something, DO YOU BELIVE IN GOD.

Of course you don't and you think the bible is a load of crap, yet when it is convenient for you to use it to 'prove' something you take advantage of it. Yet further contributing to how all the belivers look at you types with disgust at how ignorant you can be.

Let me ask you something, actually to everyone, is it not better to have hope for your entire life that you will die and you will go to heaven or is it better to say no we were made by a random natural proccess in a completly natural universe that you percieve to have been able to come from nothing.

I don't feel bad for you and I really don't care what you belive, my entire reason behind posting is showing how people LIKEYOU,

use the bible that you don't belive a word of to prove our own beliefs against us

lmao, sweet dreams

I don't think the bible is really...a reliable source for life. It's mainly a book to read to kids so they grow up and raise their children and let the religion institution grow. And what about the Koran?

Don't you think that might actually be true and more reliable than the little ol Bible?

I'm not saying I believe in any of it but..what makes you think your religion is right?

Once again I make the point of---every religion think their religion is above everyone else's.

Also, I think it's interesting to have hope and look forward to seeing Jesus when you die. I don't know, I had a lot of hope when Santa brought me presents for Christmas when I was little...now I know the truth.

Oh, and no, I rather not believe in something that's been proven false, for my entire life. I think I rather be my own individual self rather than have some organized religion tell me what to believe in and how to live.

Just my opinion.

[edit on 5-7-2008 by GorehoundLarry]

First off that post was worded like a 13 year old wrote it, including the arguments. Santa was a lie so Jesus must be too???

Now it is obvious you know NOTHING of religious history, the Koran was written in the 7th century (1400 years ago) as the Torah, which is the first half of the Bible speaking of God and heaven and His promise, was written over 3,000 years ago. Wow yeah maybe the Koran is based on the Bible, hmmm, possibly??

Im sorry man, but I think your just a kid and dosen't know whats up and tries to act as an adult to get his point across. Have you realized that every religion is the SAME EXACT thing. They ALL promise a CREATOR and a HEAVEN, and let me already shoot down your come back, what about Buddism and those??? When were they written, what is the earliest book ever written???? Do a GOOGLE for 'first book ever written'.
What is it, the first five books of the Bible.


Oh and you still didn't answer me about why you are using the Bible, which you don't believe a word of, to prove a point against it, using it.

It is a very well known fact that people need to believe in something, true or not, it keeps people happy and going on.

So, if you really believe there is no God or after life, then what's the point in doing everything, what's the point of coming here posting about that, if at the end no one will remember and no one that you know or knows you will be here in a hundred years? really what's the point of living right now, having to go through suffering and lots of stuff, why do you have to see your friends and family die before you? wouldn't it be better to end it all right now?

Is that what not believing is all about? i guess not, right? but, then, if there is nothing after death, what do you want to live for?

There is a God, we don't know as much as we would like to know, but, search and you will find, if it is not easy to get simple things like food and clothes, why would it be easier to find the true nature of life?

Just because you can't see right now doesn't mean there is nothing there, true wisdom is not found on the light, but on the darkness, everything we already know is on the light, that's why we can see it, we must bring the light to the darkness, so the secrets lying there are uncovered.

That's why you need to believe there is something else, even if you don't understand it as you want to at this time, the same applies for anything not spiritual, science for instance.

Kai

[edit on 6-7-2008 by Kaifan]

Originally posted by tjetbone
is this in the right forum?

I think it is because there is a secret knowledge we do not have access to in modern days, something ancient cultures had access to - I ma sure there is some knowledge kept away from general public.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
What happens if we suicide?

Death is either final, or it's not. My step-father was facing a terrible existence (no need to go into details) and decided to take matters into his own hands....his FATE into his own hands....what's wrong with that???

I tend to believe that the Source energy accepts all. St. Augustine had motives, and in doing so he scared generations for thousands of years. I personally believe suicide is a valid moral alternative. I know someone who has been considering it for some time. She is tired of life and sees no point is proceeding forward. It can be a beautiful thing...as it must have been with your Father.

I just remembered something my brother had happened to him in regards to out of body experiences. He is a firm atheist and has a rather obnoxious attitude about anything "magical". Well one night he was asleep and he said he started to float away from his body without control looking directly down at himself, he said he felt scared and that it felt very real and unlike a dream. Then all of a sudden he was sucked back into his body and woke up out of breath as his wife was shaking him. She said he had quit breathing and in a panic had been shaking him. So, maybe there is something to a "spirit".

Originally posted by pluckynoonez


I tend to believe that the Source energy accepts all. St. Augustine had motives, and in doing so he scared generations for thousands of years. I personally believe suicide is a valid moral alternative. I know someone who has been considering it for some time. She is tired of life and sees no point is proceeding forward. It can be a beautiful thing...as it must have been with your Father.

I have a friend who has attempted suicide twice, and had a NDE twice .. NOT from attempted suicides. Yes, I know this means the person almost died 4 times, they have issues, and this is someone well into their 50's now. I met them through an older friend of mine who is 44.

This friend told me that they the two times they attempted suicide, they did go unconscious and needed medical help, but had no NDE, they said, "it was just like falling asleep and then waking up". The two times they almost died from accidents, and went unconscious requiring medical help, they had the vivid visions .. including the "moving through a tunnel toward a light" one that is so common.

I wondered why this was, and I was told by my other friend who also knew the guy that suicide, in his opinion, was the most selfish thing that a human being can possibly do with their free will, worse than even murdering another. I don't feel quite so strongly about it but hey .. just something I wanted to mention..

[edit on 7/6/2008 by runetang]

Originally posted by Dobbie
Hi R-evolve

We are all entitled to our own beliefs. Your statement about astral travel struck a nerve with me though as I have these 'experiences' regularly. On the same note I would say to you that I don't believe in cancer cells. Never seen one, all I hear is silly stories about cancer blah blah blah. Haven't experienced it and don't believe in it!

Dobbie

thats fair enough, though you could walk into any cancer ward in any hospital and see the effects caused by cancer cells they are very real. I see nothing to make me believe that astral traveling is anything other than people either lying, hallucinating or not being able to separate fantasy from reality. If its a real ability and can be controlled then it should be very very easy to prove in controlled conditions. Stories of near death experiences and secret military psychics are just that to me, stories.

Unfortunately i cant force myself to accept things at face value as there are too many dishonest people about, but i have no intentions of mocking what anyone else believes ( although the indigo fad annoys me for some irrational reason ) each person finds their own truth and often what people believe just astounds me but until im all knowing my truth is hardly more valid than anyone elses but evidence goes a long way

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I did not mean any disrespect when I stated "you don't know anything". I was trying to explain to people who have not experienced it they do not understand. It was a poor choice of words on my part.
As for the experience, my mind was very alert and it wasn't lack of oxygen. I started to have an attack like last time and knew to call 911 while I was still alert. I should of added that when I was floating near the ceiling and wondering about my journey, I started thinking about how much I would miss my family. I can also say one main thing: It was not a dream or an illusion. As I have stated, until you experience one then you will understand what we mean.

I also must add I was not in pain when the experience happened. To the Anonymous Poster: I am not going to bring up Jesus or the Bible. I am more spiritual, but I am not a Christian.

[edit on 7/6/2008 by kidflash2008]

I dont think that "something" enters only the body during an OBE or any spirtual undertaking. It enters the spirit or "contaminates" it if you dont mentally and spiritually protect yourself. You can think its a irrelevant humanistic fear, but in my own expierience when you detach yourself mentally you leave your physical and spiritual vessel unattended, so protect yourself.

'Heaven and Hell' are just concepts for the masses, for something to believe in , made by the clergy of every faith. If your good and worship 'my God' then you'll go to a place when you die thats full of earthly delights and wonderous times. for all eternity.
Bad, evil and don't worship 'my God' and you'll go to Hell a place of eternal torture and pain and suffering.
What would you do given the facts that you have no idea what to expect when you die.?
Believe in the good ending or fear the bad ending?
It made the masses believe in somebody elses word. Look at the Televangelists. Give me money *Erm I mean give your money to God * and you'll pay your way to heaven , wonderous delights for all eternity etc. Don't pay and you'll GO TO HELL and BURN.
Heaven is fluffy and soft and nice and you'l be safe and content forever.
Hell is all fire and pain and suffering...... HMM choices choices.
I believe that you make your own heaven and hell when you die, maybe you get another life, not the one in your in now. but your conciousness floats and finds another host , Maybe thatas why people have former life experiences?
Maybe you hide in the void of your own conciousness until another host body comes along that matches your own cosmic signature.?
Who knows?
I for one don't but I think I'll look forward to finding out when I croak.


If the above is the case because your in the void for so long you forget who you once were unless your conciousness is strong enough to hold onto itself. Maybe when you die you want to say to yourself " I will remember all my life experiences and remain myself till the next body ".
I wil say that straight before I've said " the treasure, its buried under.......gasp" croak

I suggest you guys get a copy of Dr. Michael Newton's Journey of Souls. Newton is the premier past life regression therapist. Through hypnosis of many hundreds of patients he has constructed a intricate and highly consistant picture of our lives between lives. I was sceptical, but that soon faded. Unless he's a sociopathic liar, this is the real deal.

There are many books on reincarnation. Be very wary of the ones who use regression therapy as it tends to invoke fantasy instead of reality. (Dr Newton may be different and very cautious when he uses hypnotherapy. I will definately read his book.) People here tend to have had past lives as princes/princesses, nobility, or other important people. They rarely are poor common peoples trying to eek out a living every day.
I think this has been a very good post, with great inputs from believers and skeptics alike. Very intelligent and no name calling.


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[edit on 7/7/2008 by kidflash2008]

Scepticism is good, but I can tell you that none of the cases Newton includes have had remarkable past lives, just ordinary, sad, painful, interesting, etc, lives. What is so unusual is the level of aggreement among his patients about the afterlife, right down to the details. He says he does not lead them at all. When you combine Newton's finding with those of Moody et all, it is clear that there is something "real" out there, beyond this life.

[edit on 7-7-2008 by Silenceisall]

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That is why I think he would be an interesting read. I just think if one had a past life (lives), most of them would of been ordinary. That to me is even more interesting as research can be done to find out if the person existed. After my experience, I am open to all ideas.

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
To those talking about outer body experiences, I knew someone who played a game at a party that stops your heart for a few seconds. It was a simple game, I'm not sure exactly how it is done but you have to take several deep breaths and then have someone push or sit against a part of your chest.

Anyway I was never dumb enough to try it but a friend of mine did and for what seemed like forever (but was only a few seconds), she wasn't revived properly and someone had to resesitate her. It worked. When she woke up we took her into the bathroom and she said she heard us all freaking out very clearly and that she began floating from her body towards the ceiling.

I'm confident she truly experienced something we have no understanding of. I, however, think there are many things about our own minds and bodies we don't understand that could explain this event other than the theory that we have a never-ending spirit inside us.

Yeah that went on at my school for a while.
The heart doesn't (or at least shouldn't) stop your heart, it just slows it down usually. I think it depends on how heavy handed the other guy is.
I have OBE'd but the heart squeeze trick just caused me to 'white/grey out' for about 10 seconds. I was stood upright while the other guy was 'propping' me upright while I passed out.

I have a friend, ive known since we were babys. We are 33/34 now. He odnst belive in life after death at all, he has no religion. Many times, i talked with him, cmon man, you gotta belive in something, hell maybe? He dosnt beive in that. I myslef, like to belive in life after death. I do very much belive in god, and jesus. Everything in life is made of energy, in one form or another..when we die, our energy is simply converted, to angles, demons, ghosts or food for plants.
I belive, becuase one time when i was 16, i had made a special prayer for god in my room, and a shiney gold pinball of light, circled around me 5 times, then flew off into my ceiling. When i think about that today, it reasures me.

wow 6 pages lol.. TY everyone. there has been alot of intellegent and interesting posts here.
just to clarify that i wasnt trying to twist the word of God, the original post is just a thought i had and wanted more reality input on my thought. i do believe there is some sort of life after death, but we as humans will never grasp the truth about it until our time comes. i do believe without a doubt that almost all religion around the world has been manipulated, and we have been lied to for centuries.

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i find it really strange the way you say "dear... so and so" in your replies to people. also you are called dobbie, like taht chick from peep show.

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