Life after Death...its not what we think....

Most people do not like the idea of no life after death....they prefer to believe that there is. Most religions have adopted a concept of life that continues whether you have been good or evil.. Traditional chritianity teaches that everyone has an immortal soul that continues to live after death.
Man has a temporary existence; he is strictly physical. He has no immortal soul. The word soul in scripture simply means life----existence. In Genesis, God says that he mad animals living souls.
Many twist what God said about the kind of life He gave to mankind:

[And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life(Heb. - "life existing"), and man became a living(Heb. - "life existing") soul(Heb. - "creature, being") Genesis 2:7]
Religious scholars have taken the term soul to mean an immortal soul that God place in man, and man alone. Yet in Genesis He shows that he made mankind a life-existing being.
God did the same for other forms of life as He created them.

[And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.Genesis 1:21]
The word creature in this verse is the same as soul in the previous verse.
Therefore, being created a living soul has nothing to do with immortality, and only has to do with a living existence.


This is something i have done alot of pondering on and would like to hear what others have to say... i know we all have different beliefs but this really through my beliefs for a twist...

is this in the right forum?

I truly believe that our lives that we have are depicted by our past lives of what we have done through bad and good karma. I sincerely believe that there is no hell or heaven. I used to believe in that stuff long ago. But that mind set to believe in that stuff faded away when I have been looking up on the Mayan ideology of what they had to say about 2012.

The idea of heaven and hell are only perspectives. Each person has a different view and vision of hell, which disorts the true reality of what hell was really like.

The thing that doesn't make sense is the severity of eternal punishment. All caused from some little sin. It just doesn't add up right. I think in all fairness that it is reasonable to say that we deserve of what we are given from the actions of our past and current lives.

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Dear tjetbone

Firstly, if your opinion is that humans have no soul and are just physical, you have obviously never had an oobe or astral travelled.

I can assure you from my own personal experiences that we do have a spirit essence that resides within our physical shell. Most people can go through life never having to think about this side of their existance or being aware of it, but I can assure you, we have an eternal soul/spirit/light within.

Secondly, you refer to holy scriptures that were tampered with and adulterated approximately 300 to 400 years after Christs death. There was a Pope, a King and a Council that tore apart the original texts to re-write religion as they saw fit. Although I believe that there is a message in the bible that can be a wonderful guide for life, you must be careful not to take it as a literal history lesson as much of the truth has been lost.

That is my opinion.

Kind regards,

Dobbie

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"Life after death" is a tragic conceptual and linguistic error.
The opposite of "death" is not "life", the opposite of death is birth.
Life has no opposite, it is eternal, and has nothing to do with birth or death.
Forms may change, life is always there.
So much false hope out of semantic confusion.

I'm into many-worlds interpretation, where infinite, number of universes and that everything that could possibly happen in our universe (but doesn't) does happen in another universe. Many-worlds interpretation

Imagine it like eternal life with different outcomes and where many dimensions being without beginning or end. So is there life after death, yes if the conscious observer can never cease to exist..... If you read about Quantum suicide, we could be in a way imortal to the dimensions we exist in.

Examples: Quantum suicide and immortality

Nuclear bomb

Another example is where a experimenter detonates a nuclear bomb beside himself. In almost all parallel universes, the nuclear explosion will vaporize the experimenter. However, there should be a small set of alternative universes in which the experimenter somehow survives (i.e. the set of universes which support a "miraculous" survival scenario).

Quantum immortality

The idea behind quantum immortality is that the experimenter will remain alive in, and thus remain able to experience, at least one of the universes in this set, even though these universes form a tiny subset of all possible universes. Over time, the experimenter would therefore never perceive his or her own death.

Thus immortality with a bit of Hinduism & Buddhism being right.

Maybe we are the Supreme Being, being the conscious observer.

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I agree with you. I don't have my bible with me but it says basicly that "the soul that sins will surely die." Satan uses false religion to fool people into believing that we will all live forever. Either in heaven or hell. But that's not what God says. I could go on but I'll end it here.

nice varied beliefs. I believe when you die that is it, no more. Our conscious is a brief affair and like our bodies will revert back to nothingness or at least become the energy for whatever feasts upon us. I dont believe in astral travel there is no proof for it only daft stories about "i was dead for 2 minutes and heard what the surgeon was talking about", just tall tales. We want to be more than we are in life and death but at the end of the day we were born of this planet and will revert back to it, in essence we are the earth. Enjoy your brief affair.

Hi R-evolve

We are all entitled to our own beliefs. Your statement about astral travel struck a nerve with me though as I have these 'experiences' regularly. On the same note I would say to you that I don't believe in cancer cells. Never seen one, all I hear is silly stories about cancer blah blah blah. Haven't experienced it and don't believe in it!

Dobbie

I've had what seems to be psychic experiences involving OBE and remote viewing, which strongly suggests a type of energy resonance and conciousness after death. One recent paranormal program in which a psychic medium contacted some young man who died in a lake complained: It's so cold, so very cold." It would be sad to still have our senses like hunger and cold after death and why some may prefer to be reborn or possess another person or even search out a second death. Some paranormal research groups claim that their batteries are drained by these entities or ghosts.

I guess I could compare these life altering changes similar to being a waking child with so much energy that they want to run around. People can choose to believe or not to believe. In the end....they'll finally know the truth. I look forward to the day when we can be advanced enough to have clear audible contact with those who have since passed on. For all we know; science had already done this for their elite who move into a different or cloned body. Other worlds have probably already achieved this for space traveling and why some may refer to bodies as containers.

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Call me a nihilist, but we're all evolutionary mistakes clinging to religion, so-called astral progression (IMHO, all part of someone's vivid imagination), and anything else "beyond" this existence as some kind of safety blanket. Death isn't to be feared. It happens to everyone, so stimey it as you see fit, but at least I've come to realize that I'm just a very small part of this planet's existence. Whether it's for hindrance or help in the forward motions it still boils down to the fact that we're nothing more than mammals with a bit more in the way of self-realization.

Ah, bless the evolutionary process!

Originally posted by Dobbie
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[I can assure you from my own personal experiences that we do have a spirit essence that resides within our physical shell. ]

i do beieve we have a sort od spirit essence... i beilieve that one day everyone will be resurected and shown that God is who he says he is.
i believe we will be given a choice as to what we want. eternal life or eternal death. but we must humble ourselves and really follow in God's way for the choice of eternal life... God wants us to be apart of the God's family. i think this might be his great plan for mankind.



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if i had it my way, i would simply cease to exist after death. sure, there is much i would like to do in a perfect world, but the perfect world doesn't exist as i know it and i am soooo tired and just ready to sleep.

i can't say whether there is an afterlife as i am still alive. anything anyone who is alive says is purely speculation and i guess we all know who is right once we have passed. seems like there is much to be dealt w/ as it is in this life than to worry about what happens after.

When man comes to the point that he will listen to God and begin to recieve true knowledge of Him, then God will begin to share His spirit w/ mankind in order to give him the ability to begin seeing Him in truth. Such seeing is spiritual in nature and requires that we be able to recieve of God's spirit. When humans see something that is spiritual, it is not a matter of seeing somthing through the human eye; it is a matter of seein in th mind(of the spirit)

The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (romans 6:23)is this the verse u are talking about blueracer?

God also adds that "all have sinned." (romans 3:23)

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Until any of you have an out of body experience like I did, you don't know anything. It is hard to describe it, but I do know we have a soul that does not need the body.
I am a rational person and one day I had a breathing attack. I called 911 and the ambulance took me to the hospital. In the ambulance I started feeling a very strange sensation. It was not dizziness as I have experienced dizziness before. My mind was quite clear and I thought "Oh, sh!t! I'm dying". The voices of the medical workers was very clear and I when we got to the hospital I started to float toward the ceiling. It was quite calming and I was wondering if I would be reincarnated. All of a sudden I was whisked back to my body and the place became noisy with words. I cannot do justice to the feeling I had. My body did not die, but my soul left it. I was not given pure oxygen or any drugs (I asked the personnel). My brother thinks I hallucinated the whole thing, but I know what I know.

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what if we are not capable of out of body experience????

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do you not worry about leaving your body uninhabited? i find this to be a very dangerous venture, IMO. i do believe in these. my grandmother talked about having one (quite unintentionally) and warned me to never intentionally do such a thing.

my sister also started to have one (also unintentionally) and heard a voice tell her not to do so as there were ones who watch waiting for just such an opportunity and she immediately stopped the occurance.




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When having an OBE, it is already hard enough to stay out! haha, don't worry, the easiest thing about obe is waking back up in your physical body, the hardest is getting out and staying out.

Your grandmother and sister feel negative about them, because it's natural human reaction, "fear of the unknown"

Personally I love to fly

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that failed to answer my question though. i wasn't asking about getting back in so much as something else getting in before you could get back in. and i find it hard to believe that it is sooo difficult since there are plenty of ppl who have experienced this...... maybe when it is hard to do it is when you concentrate and focus on doing it? but still, the question my original question is still left unanswered.

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Well I never said it was sooo hard, but it does take a lot of mind power to get started.

I have never heard of anything entering ones body?? I dont know where that fear comes from sorry. By the way if we are to assume that dreams are connected to obe, then we leave our bodies every night.



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