Overthrowing the United States Government

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by o22a6ar

 

You do realize that what you are doing is illegal? Treason during time of war is punishable by death. Seriously, be careful, and keep in touch to let us all know how things are going.

exactly.......... please refrain from using my "name" when deciding upon an act w/out me. i just meant for ppl to get together and discuss things, not get together and overthrow OMG ........... y'all were being serious this whole time?

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[edit on 6-7-2008 by o22a6ar]

Originally posted by Blueracer
reply to post by o22a6ar

 

Lead the charge on DC. I'll be right behind you with my hoe and garden claw. We'll show them bastards.

We can use this idea as a fund raiser. FREE coffee just $1 a cup! And FREE popcorn (bring your own microwave).

By the way everybody, I am beginning to think that the work overthrow is being taken too literally. I DO NOT INTEND TO TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENT. I am simply looking for a motion to change our government quickly, as well as in a legal fashion. Working within the confines of the legal system takes a lot of time, a lot of time they we may not have. Protesting is a perfectly reasonable, and LEGAL way to go about this.

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This guy does not know what he is talking about. He just might be a cubical spook. You know the misdirection type!

Speak your mind! You have my attention.

If you want an idea on how to get someones attention? This is what I would do.

I would coordinate a truckers strike that would shut this entire country down in a matter of minutes! 50 state wide truckers strike!

You get all the trucks on the road to stop in their tracks on a certain day and time and you have just got the attention of the whole world in a matter of minutes.

Just a thought!

Eye of Eagle

Eye of Eagle

reply to post by justamomma

Sorry.

i just think that the more productive thing to do is wait until november and vote for the right candidate. quit worrying about overthrowing so much and start educating those around you. when they are educated, they are aware.......... voting booth, IMO.

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just think that the more productive thing to do is wait until november and vote for the right candidate. quit worrying about overthrowing so much and start educating those around you. when they are educated, they are aware.......... voting booth, IMO.

Your like a wise sage momma,lol.(looks weird typing 'momma',lol)But seriously another great,wisdom filled post.Smart too,by saying "don't use my name".Lol,I dont blame you.OP ont be afraid to speak your mind,say what you want.............that's what is still great about this country,you STILL can speak out and call for revolution(that is unless your a Arabian terrorist,lol)Ive added you momma and you OP as friends,as well some others on here.

[edit on 7/6/2008 by jkrog08]

reply to post by jkrog08

Do you suggest a military solution?Cause you will have to get a great number of people and weapons

I in no way advocate the overthrow of the United States government by means of force, or violence. In fact, like I previously stated, the word overthrow is being taken excessively literally. I am simply looking to initiate some change.


[edit on 6-7-2008 by o22a6ar]

I then had the outstanding opportunity to work for the Department of Defense and saw first hand how unlikely the civilians would ever "win" a war against the military. Civil rioting or terrorist actions against the government will not work with our form of government.

Hello sir. I am very curious about this statement. For me, the obvious reasons are not
always so obvious. So would you mind expanding on this .

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Hey I am all for the legal way. But, I have worked under GHWB, WJC, and GHWB. It is going to take a bold legal action to get the attention of the Reps. that sit in our house. That is our house, we allow them to speak for us. If we do not speak in their ear, they will speak what they think they hear. Lobbyists! Bribes, You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

Robert C. Byrd ( Sen.) Dem. of West Virginia has been in the Senate in since 1958. A senator! So you not see a problem with that? Back a few years ago the gov't. needed a new place to spend money so someone in that state leaked TOP SECRET information about a TOP SECRET (COG) facility. ie, GREENBRIAR RESORT. They had to build a new one. This was right after the technological explosion of the internet and everything had to be rethought and rebuilt. This cost the tax payers billions of dollars!

A senator for 50 years in one of the nations poorest states. Which at a time had the highest concentration of millionairs per capita in the U.S.

He is just one senator and one drop in the bucket. Each senator has team of people committed to their cause, good or bad. Thats alot of bad apples to weed out of our house.

I say we start with the TRUCKERS STRIKE to get the attention of the nation and go fron there straight to the voters booths.

Weed them out, Vote the out.

Believe me when I tell you this! There are many thousands of men ready to step in if our freedom ever comes under attack. That we will never lose! EVER!

Eye of Eagle

I agree we need a revolution BAD, a total reform of the social political and business structures of America.

We need and end to the corruption and mind games. This country is disgusting and I would love nothing more than to purge the loose ends from the government.

Come and get me big brother I'm not going down without a fight.

I think a much better idea would be to simply argue about it on this thread and rationalize whatever particular propaganda we happen to be following.

Oh wait...

First...when I said infrastructure, at no point did I indicate or say that I was talking about federal government infrastructure only. The fact that state, county, and city governments provide the infrastructure is moot - because your STILL HAVING GOVERNMENT PROVIDE A PUBLIC GOOD. Which was the point I was arguing against, that we can somehow ignore the public goods any level of government provides.

Originally posted by hinky
Well spoken for just someone who has a self interest in continuing the status quo.

I'm quite sure me being for a small, effective, and efficient government that only provides public goods is ***NOT*** the "status quo." In fact, I am usually diametrically opposed to my co-workers on this. My motto during my master's program was that my classmates were for using the government to protect people, and I was for protecting the people from the government.

Originally posted by hinky
There are millions of miles of State, County, and local roads maintained by the interested parties.

Most of those state, county, and local roads are maintained and controlled by the state, county, and local GOVERNMENTS.

Originally posted by hinky
It is possible to do this, search for toll roads and see what you come up with.

You mean those toll roads where in every case the GOVERNMENT claims the toll will be stopped after the road is paid for, and when that time comes, miraculously they need to keep it open to fund other things? That is not a private sector answer, its an attempt to make a public good exclusionary. It works, but it costs EVERYONE more because of it - and its still run by the government, or a contractor working for the government.

Originally posted by hinky
As for water, only your local taxes or the company that owns the water system support this with locally generated usage rates. There is no Federal money for water treatment projects.

The town I consulted for a few years ago that got a huge federal government grant to build and upgrade their water system.

Originally posted by hinky
Now the TVA is a good example of why it makes sense to privatize these projects, but again, I defer to your expertise. You should maybe check into this and write a report or something.

Privatization is always a option but it has to be done correctly with contract management and performance measures. It also isn't best for some types of services. I actually had the opportunity to take several classes with one of the leading scholars of performance measurement and privatization. Its a complex issue, and I agree it is appropriate some of the time.

Originally posted by hinky
As for the court system. This is a gray area. The benefits of a lifetime appointment as opposed to running for office keeps the judges politics out of the mix. However, the court system should be set up that Federal courts only are involved in Federal cases, not Local or State level cases that the person keeps appealing away until every possible aspect is ran out. This would free the Federal courts with a lower case load and fewer bureaucrats. A State level crime or issue should stay within that State. It is a State issue, not a Federal issue, Federal judges seem to have a feeling that everything belongs before their bench, regardless of the issue.

I prefer a hybrid system that has been tried out in some states in regards to judges. Basically, they are elected once for a term of a few years, and then an automatic recall election is held at the end of that term - if the recall fails, they are in for life but may be recalled at any time if citizens mobilize enough support.

As for appeals, I disagree somewhat. State court systems can be extraordinarily political. It puts extra stress on the courts to allow so many appeals, but as you know most of them get declined. I think due process really requires that they at least have the opportunity to appeal.

Originally posted by hinky
As for privatizing out everything possible, yes it should be done. Any number of studies have been done and tax payers are saved money on cost of government and better service with any independent study done.

I'm sorry, but that is just plain false. The academic literature and independent studies show the success of privatization is extremely varied. I can tell you any number of privatization horror stories that ended up costing taxpayers extraordinary amounts of money. Privatization only works for services where the "go away cost" for the government entity is less than the contracting cost plus contract management. Also, the nature of the service matters. Privatization does not work and is a huge blunder on almost any service where direct citizen interaction is required or where the nature of the service is essential to for public safety.

The best option for privatization is using managed competition. Often times, when given the chance, government departments can outbid private compeititon. Additionally, privitization focuses on cost, and yet this hampers service delivery. When the fire department is ran based on cost alone, and something catches on fire, citizens are not happy to hear that we decided to buy the chaper fire truck due to the cost benefit analysis when it means their house is going to burn down because we didn't get there in time.

reply to post by Xwino


I am a former U.S. Marine and most of the intel that probably came across your desk came from my or my sister units from the other branches. How do you know that all of the vets that have fought for this coutry would take up arms against their own countrymen?

Throw in the contractor scenerio, 99% of them are former u.s. spec ops. just like me. how do know that they would take up arms against their own countrymen when it came time to really pull that trigger on Tim or Dave down the street.

The Foreign troop scenerio, we would see that coming from a mile away. Not a chance!

It seems as if you severly underestimate the American people and our desire to keep and hold on to our way of life. To much blood, sweat and tears have been lost to lose our freedom.

Aside from our military, the American people are an army among themselves. You put their freedom at risk and who ever is standing in front of them is going to be in alot of trouble!

NO ONE ON EARTH WILL TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND CANNOT SAY IN MY OWN COUNTRY. NO ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eye of Eagle

Originally posted by Xwino
I then had the outstanding opportunity to work for the Department of Defense and saw first hand how unlikely the civilians would ever "win" a war against the military. Civil rioting or terrorist actions against the government will not work with our form of government.

Hello sir. I am very curious about this statement. For me, the obvious reasons are not
always so obvious. So would you mind expanding on this .

Hey there Xwino. I'm happy to see you decided to drop by ATS. I keep popping back to this thread just to see how this is playing out.

Originally posted by o22a6ar
reply to post by schrodingers dog

 

Do you really think this'll get shut down shortly? It doesn't violate any of the T&C does it? Freedom isn't easy to come by. If we want it, we are going to have to work for it.





[edit on 4-7-2008 by o22a6ar]

dude, do you realize that a reform would screw us up MORE? countries are weak during times of change. we have EXTREMIST MUSLIMS WITH WEAPONS AND HATRED OF US against us. why don't we hand Osama Bin Laden the deed to the White House and say, "here, sir. you've scared us senseless. we're terrified. you win." while we're at it? good job, einstein. you just offered Al Quaeda the knife to cut our Achilles' Heel. do you know word one of politics? if we reform, they WILL take the opportunity to destroy us. There will be no reform if we wish to live in a paradise (only compared to Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you want YOUR daughter given to your customers because you stopped working your poppy farms due to the legal system? i think not.) so thanks, mr. freedom-killer. be sure to tell me who you vote for. remind me to vote for the other candidate.

I am telling all of you on this thead, if we want to get the attention of the American people and the world for that matter, we must organize a TRUCKERS STRIKE across this country.

Everything in this country revolves around the trucking industry. EVERYTHING! Shut this down and someone is going to listen to who ever is talking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everything we eat, wear, or buy off of a shelf in a store gets there by truck! EVERYTHING! Think about the affects that would have on getting what the "WE THE PEOPLE" want back in this country!

If you guys want to get serious about things, this is the way to do it!

Eye of Eagle

reply to post by iwant2believe1992


Its better to let our government send us down the road to death and destruction?

Like Iran we are almost sure to invade Iran, WRITE TO YOUR CONGRESS REPS!! tell them to oppose use of nuclear arms and invasion of Iran, If we invade Iran 83% chance we will have a nuclear war. That country's weapon systems are evolving faster than ever. I would much rather have a weak country over a destroyed one.

reply to post by EYEOFEAGLE


How would we go about doing this?