Overthrowing the United States Government

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
You have demonstrated your willingness to attribute motives to others without any evidence of substance: that is fairly compelling evidence in itself that a mind like yours is a danger waiting to become a disaster in a bureaucratic setting.

You have demonstrated your willingness to expound upon things you do not understand without any evidence or substance: that is fairly compelling evidence that your irrational ramblings would be a disaster in any setting.

In U.S. history it seems the San Francisco General Strike of 1934 was one of the largest and should be studied to see what worked (if anything).

For those too young to remember, the May 1968 student strikes in France cause the DeGaulle government to fall. And those strikes were successful even with large parts of society not taking part in them.

[edit on 5/7/08 by Pellevoisin]

In Canada, the Winnipeg General Strike was the starting point for the movement that would later become the N.D.P.

Now I know some who would say that is reason enough not to try, but honestly the N.D.P. has had a positive impact and at the moment is the only major political player in Canada that has not sold out to the New World Order cabal.

Such a strike in the States -- especially if prominently involving people like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, Wayne Root and Bob Barr even Ralph Nader -- an entirely new political movement could be born. Possibly wishful thinking on my part, but I hope worth considering.


[edit on 5/7/08 by Pellevoisin]

Government is a necessary evil, and it should be small. Revolution won't make it small, it actually tends to balloon government size (guess who gets to pick up the pieces after you play Rambo?). Neither will anarchist fantasies that are based on a complete ignorance of economics.


[edit on 5-7-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

Go into politics and have some integrity , the only way to change things is from the inside ??

To change government to any significant extent requires changing the world as we know it. I know I'm like a broken record here (and thankfully don't post very often), but again, any real change requires enough desire for the end of secrecy-BASED government itself. It requires very open and thorough discussion of that which is now considered ABOVE above top secret. It requires or would require a fundamentally very different system from today's. Transparency, what a concept.

We don't have to overthrow the American government. It's doing a good job of falling flat on it's face. All we will have to do is stick around and pick up the pieces in about twenty to fifty years.

I see the path of this thread has taken a detour, for some.

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okay...WE NEED A STRATEGY...in fact multiple strategies. The people who have taken control of our government are not stupid. We have to think smart. Violence, in my opinion will not work.
One would think that all U.S. citizens taking over would be feasible, but one who would think such a thing, is apparently unaware of the current weaponry available.

We need to use our brains.

A good thing would be to set up a citizen controlled organization that watches agencies like the NRO. We need to watch those that watch us.

We also need a voting system revamp. Perhaps something akin to american idol??
all I know is that, voting for people that vote for people is really retarded.

We have to demand this...

I think a massive exodus of the 'grid' is necessary to remind the PTB who really needs who...

all in all we have to think smart and remember to be organized and disorganized at the same time.

Remember that if you create some kind of union they will simply use cointelpro to cause dissent in the organization. So it has to be some kind of underground dissent. A general message to human beings that we will not stand for the b.s. and will not give up the freedom it took so long to get!

however if none of this works, I believe that Thomas Jefferson said it best: " The tree of liberty, from time to time, needs to be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants alike"

take that as you will

It would be good to look at how a nationwide petrol/gasoline strike could be promoted. Given the use of this fuel to run the economy of the USA, it would probably not need to be that long of a strike to make the point to the current government as well as the globalist energy corporations.

Since up to 70 per cent of the USA according to polling data oppose Bush's war plans, perhaps a general strike could also be a public witness against the current Iraq occupation as well as apparent plans to strike Iran. But I can see that marrying such political opinions would narrow the number of participants.

Perhaps a general strike could simply be both a protest of fuel prices and a demand that the federal government engage in no more foreign entanglements and face the problems at home. I would think radio broadcasters who are not neo-cons might well be the means through which the information could be disseminated to even that portion of the public that remains off of the internet (or only uses the internet for porn).

And while schrödinger's dog thought my other idea might just be stupid enough to work, I do not know if drum circles and meditation groups for change would be successful. But at this point I think it might be worth a try. George Noory and others could organise an intention experiment for changing the direction of the USA and the world with a defined positive goal.

No I think that would be worth it.

Originally posted by ALightinDarkness
reply to post by Pellevoisin

 

When your projecting like you do, its appropriate to let you see the truth by demonstrating how you are trying to project your own character flaws in order to rationalize your life. Be thankful, a psychologist would charge you for that. However... I suggest you see one - quickly - your projection issues are rather large.

Take a class, read a book or two. Then get back to me. Until then, nothing but a rambling anarchist with nothing to back up what you say. I must wonder though, are our public schools so bad that they don't even teach basic concepts like public goods anymore?

For someone who claims the free market is the answer to everything, you sorely lack knowledge about the economic basis for government. You might also want to google "market failures."

Government is a necessary evil, and it should be small. Revolution won't make it small, it actually tends to balloon government size (guess who gets to pick up the pieces after you play Rambo?). Neither will anarchist fantasies that are based on a complete ignorance of economics.

[edit on 5-7-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

*snip* You should consider that we must hold the power accountable, or it will lead to full in your face dictatorship. If the government isn't doing the will of the people, then we should not have to take it. This is a government for the people and by the people, we hold the pyramid up we can bring it down.


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[edit on 7/5/2008 by JacKatMtn]

Originally posted by iiinvision

I think a massive exodus of the 'grid' is necessary to remind the PTB who really needs who...

This is a very important point to me. I also think it is necessary for survival both of what may come as well as an intentional reorganisation of society around sustainable local models.

i am all for anarchy but for this large of a country it will not work.
the country will destroy its self and thats even if we are able to do somthing about this.
and voting out all the corrupt people will not work for the reason they are paid to do what ever they want and when we will get more less corrpt people in then they will fallow the same path for the same reasons.
i do think this country needs to change but its a long process that i think most people who are for it will not help with the cause for it being a large duration of time need to compleate the task.

reply to post by LeeHawt


Calling for revolution and violence doesn't solve anything. The government was created with ways to redress your grievances just so anarchist reactionaries wouldn't go around every 6 months trying to start the next revolution. Use those methods. I know people here want to jump straight to playing Rambo, but before you do so might I suggest using the peaceful avenues available to you? I realize the war zealots here are going to claim those avenues don't work but they would be lying - they just aren't happy with the results.

Take the government to court. If you lose, then its not due to a conspiracy, its because you don't have a case. You don't get to start a revolution because you lose.

Don't vote for people you don't like. If they get elected, then the population has democratically deemed they are qualified to be in office. You don't get to start a revolution because you don't get your way.

Originally posted by HooHaa
i am all for anarchy but for this large of a country it will not work.

I think as things are the trajectory for Canada and the USA is toward anarchy not because of a revolutionary move of the people but rather because the Rothschilds and the Bilderbergers wish to crash the economic systems and make untenable the political structures of the USA and Canada (as well as other world nations).

With chaos and conflict, they can then present themselves and a "plan" for the future and appear as Messiahs to all of us who will be suffering if we are still alive.

The founding principle of the USA had to do with defining and preserving personal Freedom. And Freedom is always eroded by government (as well as by foreign powers). More freedom=less government. The difficult component is that one must become self-reliant first and foremost. Then can arise the compacts among communities that hold local communities together. It may be the kind of reorientation in thinking that will only come on the other side of economic catastrophe, war, and internal conflict.

Originally posted by iiinvision
okay...WE NEED A STRATEGY...in fact multiple strategies. The people who have taken control of our government are not stupid. We have to think smart. Violence, in my opinion will not work.
One would think that all U.S. citizens taking over would be feasible, but one who would think such a thing, is apparently unaware of the current weaponry available.

We need to use our brains.

A good thing would be to set up a citizen controlled organization that watches agencies like the NRO. We need to watch those that watch us.

We also need a voting system revamp. Perhaps something akin to american idol??
all I know is that, voting for people that vote for people is really retarded.

We have to demand this...

I think a massive exodus of the 'grid' is necessary to remind the PTB who really needs who...

all in all we have to think smart and remember to be organized and disorganized at the same time.

Remember that if you create some kind of union they will simply use cointelpro to cause dissent in the organization. So it has to be some kind of underground dissent. A general message to human beings that we will not stand for the b.s. and will not give up the freedom it took so long to get!

however if none of this works, I believe that Thomas Jefferson said it best: " The tree of liberty, from time to time, needs to be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants alike"

take that as you will

This needs to be organized at a national level, with strong leaders that are highly intellectual and have strong speaking skills to debate with the simple minded main stream news readers. The main stream media must be discredited on all fronts, attack the NWO weapons of mass manipulation I say. Disseminate information free and fast to do this we must establish a communication/ information network free from the web,as a back up if internet neutrality becomes an issue. I would go on but this can be dun, just pumping in some ideas god only knows what we could do if we where strutter and an organized mob...

in addition we must get off federal reserve notes for they are worthless and we don't owe them anything

[edit on 5-7-2008 by LeeHawt]

It is worth remembering that the American Revolution was begun because the colonists were losing time and again against all sorts of British governmental policy and actions. Because they were losing against the Crown, they engaged in a legitimate revolution.

Because the Founders feared the tyranny of the state, they enshrined the Right to Bear Arms so that the People could rise up and overthrow a government. This information is plain as day in the Founders' writings.

With any planning for significant change in a nation, it is always wise to return to the Founders of that nation and whatever serves as a constitutional authority such as the U.S. Constitution or the Magna Charta. As much care and precision should be undertaken in any movement as was evidenced in the composition of the Declaration of Independence and later in the U.S. Constitution.

The People's right to rise up and overthrow an illegitimate government or a criminal government is enshrined in the Constitution and Bill of Rights for a reason. Short of armed conflict, the rising up of the People in General Strike action should be an obvious precursor to whatever other action may need to be undertaken later.

Well, first off, stop bitching and take action! It doesn't do any good to complain, you have to do something to fix it. Start an organization. Even something as simple as a facebook or myspace group could turn into something big. Good luck.

reply to post by mr. wildflowers


Could you explain how those groups could be used?

I am reminded that the telephone system in France in 1968 included a type of early e-mail that was used by the students to organise and make effective the strike actions.

Originally posted by mr. wildflowers
Well, first off, stop bitching and take action! It doesn't do any good to complain, you have to do something to fix it. Start an organization. Even something as simple as a facebook or myspace group could turn into something big. Good luck.

wouldn't this kind of be the same thing that is going on here. i mean ppl talking about it and such. no different whether done on myspace/facebook/ or this site i would think other than the majority of myspacers and facebookers are more interested in getting drunk and then posting pics of their drunken rampages...... so in all likely hood, they would have better success talking about it here.... one would think.