Cleveland Smoking Gun Proves “Arab Hijacker” Calls From United Airlines Flight 93 Were Faked

Originally posted by IvanZana
This part of flight 1989 is interesting and could be applied to all the calls that originated from the planes.

After our emergency landing, our plane was directed to go to an isolated area of the airport, and we waited for over two hours in quarantine before FBI agents and bomb sniffing dogs came out to the plane. Just after we landed, the pilot gave us permission to make one very brief telephone call before we were banned from any further telephone use. The sixty or so passengers were thus able to gather some alarming details of the unbelievable fates of the other two LA-bound planes and the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, the suicide bombing of the Pentagon as well as reports of other plane crashes in PA and LA (LA proved unfounded) before we were cut off from any further communication. Unfortunately, all this information only added to the alarm and confusion we felt as we waited for over two hours far away from the gates of the airport.

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The mp3 provided on the 1st page of this thread does sound a little odd. The oddest part is how the Exec flight was tailing flight 93, lost him in a corner, then decribes, very calmy without emotion that "yup a see a little smoke puff cloud, just appears to be a puff of dark smoke".

Now does that sound like a fellow pilot witnessing a comercial heavy going do infront of him.

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As for the pilots reaction. A lady in the control tower asks him if he sees any smoke or any activity on the ground, that is when the pilot replies " we are looking right now, nope. And then he say yes he sees some smoke on the ground, or a smoke puff. It is not like he is witnessing the crash as it is happening. And I am sure he is well aware of all the event that have transpired before that plane went down. what do you expect a professional pilot to start screaming. They all sounded pretty calm, and I am sure they all knew that some planes had already hit the twin towers. As for the mix up with 1989 i guess it is possible but she doesnt mention that there was screaming on the plane or that they knew there was a bomb on board before the FBI told them so after they landed and got off the plane.

I guess you can debunk this thread eh?

Not suprised


This thread is about the calls from the cockpit to cleveland center.

Thank you.

Originally posted by Frith


Not at all. In the years since 9/11 countless innocent foreigners have been killed and maimed resulstant directly from U.S. foreign policy stemming from the terror attacks of September 11, 2001. For millions of people in the Middle East the suffering starting at 9/11 has not stopped and will not for the forseeable future.

it's unfortunate that innocent people have died but it seems to me you are dismissing the brutality put on innocent civilians by the taliban and saddam hussein for decades. i'm pretty certain you didn't give a damn about those people then.

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Originally posted by IvanZana


I guess you can debunk this thread eh?

what is there to debunk? you have to debunk that the flight 93 audio is not real first, which you haven't done.

Originally posted by Frith

Originally posted by want2believe
First off I have a question? Does hearing or reading things in regards to 9/11 choke anyone up. I as a grown man still get tears in my eyes when I think about how these people suffered before dieing!

Not at all. In the years since 9/11 countless innocent foreigners have been killed and maimed resulstant directly from U.S. foreign policy stemming from the terror attacks of September 11, 2001. For millions of people in the Middle East the suffering starting at 9/11 has not stopped and will not for the forseeable future.

Most AMERICANS probably do get choked up when they see this. I do when ever I see video. What our government is doing still does not deny the fact that thousands of innocent humans were killed that day, by an unproveked attack. Is it sad that thousands of innocent people are also being killed because 9/11 happened, yes. But as an American it hits harder when it is close to home. I know one thing we are not rejoicing in the streets that innocent people are being killed in iraq, like many arabs did when 9/11 happened.

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Man you are impossible. You have to put the whole thing in context. That is the problem with people who think it is a conspiracy. You are picking out what you want. When you put all the fact togethers it disproves your theory. It says calls were faked. You do not back it up with one solid piece of evidence. The video you post claims they were faked and then backs it up with false information (the scar on the ground) So now you are saying the call are faked with no proof what so ever. Put everything together and it all fits. The plane crashed, no conspiracy.

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Thankyou. Someone with some common sense. I mean imagine trying to prove that in a court of law and bringing his evidence in front of a judge. It would be thrown out immediatly. It is a joke. And it is sad that people insist there is some sinister conspiracy behind 9/11. The government of the USA must be completely evil. What would these people do if it was found out the government was not completely evil. Their whole world would collapse

Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
it's unfortunate that innocent people have died but it seems to me you are dismissing the brutality put on innocent civilians by the taliban and saddam hussein for decades. i'm pretty certain you didn't give a damn about those people then.
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I'm pretty sure U.S. heavy artillery has been killing and maiming the citizens of Afghanistan and Iraq at a far faster rate than any of their previous governments. Many of the allegations against Saddam, including his WMDs, were completely false as well. With the polling results coming from Iraqis wanting the USA out of their country, I suspect they agree with my opinion on the matter.

[edit on 3-7-2008 by Frith]

Originally posted by Frith

Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
it's unfortunate that innocent people have died but it seems to me you are dismissing the brutality put on innocent civilians by the taliban and saddam hussein for decades. i'm pretty certain you didn't give a damn about those people then.
[edit on 3-7-2008 by fastfingersfunk]

I'm pretty sure U.S. heavy artillery has been killing and maiming the citizens of Afghanistan and Iraq at a far faster rate than any of their previous governments. Many of the allegations against Saddam, including his WMDs, were completely false as well. With the polling results coming from Iraqis wanting the USA out of their country, I suspect they agree with my opinion on the matter.

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Anybody innocent who dies is tragic. No matter who does the killing. Saddam and his army however did gas and kill many Iraqis. Hell his sons were crazier than he was. I remeber reading an article on how his one son (the crazier of the two, not sure the name) tortured the Iraqi olympic soccer team because they lost a match. Actually here is the article. espn.go.com... This is probably the person that was going to take over Iraq after Saddam died. This alone is reason enough to overthrow that government.

Originally posted by Frith


I'm pretty sure U.S. heavy artillery has been killing and maiming the citizens of Afghanistan and Iraq at a far faster rate than any of their previous governments. Many of the allegations against Saddam, including his WMDs, were completely false as well. With the polling results coming from Iraqis wanting the USA out of their country, I suspect they agree with my opinion on the matter.

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i disagree with you. in afghanistan artillery is largely being used in mountain regions, nowhere near the civilian population.

in iraq, which iraqbodycount.org has at 100k civilian deaths, most of them have been by iraqis killing iraqis. and all one has to do is look at the history of saddam's regime and the tales of torture and mass graves (many instances can be seen on video, just look). i hope you are not denying these things took place, such as the killing of 5,000 kurds in one day (10,000 injured) with mustard, sarin and vx chemicals.

en.wikipedia.org...



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reply to post by tide88


in addition, i can provide links (but i won't) to hundreds of fedayeen videos of them doing everything from cutting peoples tongues off, chopping off their hands and feet, hanging them, hacking their necks with swords, pulling arms out of sockets, throwing people from roofs of high buildings, executing a line of 30 people with shots to the back of the head, etc etc etc etc. i don't even care about WMDs, somebody had to stop these things. my girlfriend escaped iran to get away from things like this and there it happens on a smaller scale than iraq.

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I agree. The sad thing is we don't even know the half of what went on over there under his regime. They are turning up mass graves all the time. That guy was a serious mental case.

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I am through posting about this since no real American seems to exist anymore, so this is my last reply on 9/11 theory. I was the same as all of you and not political but I wanted real and specific answers, this Government brought all these questions on themselves.

Some facts:
If a majority of hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, why didn't we attack Suadi Arabia? Nothing about Iraq until they took control of Afghanistan and the very expensive poppy field our Government loves!

Osama was CIA created from the war between Russia and Afghanistan.

Mohammed Atta was trained at our own military bases

Saddam was created again by our own intellegence community and was sold the mustard gas that killed thousands by our own defense dept.

The entire 9/11 Commission only spent $15 million while all expenditures on Clinton’s indiscretion and sex life exceeded $65 million.

Why would they spend more on an affair than the event that killed almost 3000 American people.

The fact they are shifting terrorism to Americans and setting up protest and free speech zones is almost an admission by trying to shut down the people seeking the truth and wanting answers.

The Pentagon thing is obvious

The lack of wreckage in Pensylvannia is obvious
The lack of wreckage at the pentagon is obvious

George Bush senior discussed with others 20 years ago terrorists hijacking planes using box cutters in a security meeting.

Nothing measures up, especially how they have reversed this terrorism thinking back on the U.S. and focus on regular patriotic citizens asking questions as terror suspects for their spying campaign and Constitutional treading.

I am an American. We all saw planes hit that day. But there is advanced remote control for aviation and there could have been gas on the plane to kill everyone before it hit.

The cell phones would not have worked at the cruising altitude

Again, there was no luggage, plane parts or body parts found at the Pentagon or Pennsylvania.

Yiou have all these reasons and never produce facts!

Our Government did the ultimate evil and killed our own citizens to create a new word "terror" and instill fear in America to get what they wanted. They set up free speech zones for damage control and authorized police to give pain compliance to shut people (truthers) up!

Face it, you are in Nazi Germany and 9/11 was nothing more than the Reichstag fires!

This is very interesting, OP. I'd like to hear / view more of the transcripts between the other flights. Any links available?

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hey azscott don't make that your last post. i am not republican or democrat i am an american that wants the truth. are you an american that wants the truth??

theoretically this is what we as a country are about...politics aside.

keep asking the questions!!!

I have a question for anyone that can answer. Do we know what language the hijackers used when speaking to one another? I wouldn't expect them to have spoken English to each other, so that most, if not all, of the passengers wouldn't know what they were really planning. I have seen quotes credited to the hijackers while speaking to one another. I wonder if someone had to translate them?

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Arabic

The key at the top of the flight 93 CVR transcripts states that the bolded text is translated from Arabic to English.

reply to post by Boone 870

Thanks Boone870. I read the entire transcript. I have had an interest in language that goes back to my childhood. I attended college and got a BA in Linguistics. Because of my intense interest in language, I wonder if Al-Qaeda has a "official" language. Since it and other like organizations recruit from many different parts of the world, it seems that they would need some sort of lingua franca when "members" don't speak the same language.

In my younger days I hitchhiked around Europe. While there I came across many other hitchhikers who used English to speak to one another, when they didn't share the same native language. I imagine that jihadist organizations probably have a language most of their members can speak to some degree in order to communicate. I wonder what language they might use?

reply to post by tide88


Actually, if it were demoed it would have occured just as it did. Modern demolitions techniques dictate that you use the buildings weight to bring it down. You do this by leaving part of the building in tact and starting a perfectly timed series of explosions so that each exploding floor blows just before it is impacted by the floors above it. I am not saying that I am sure the building was brought down by a controlled demolition, only that if it had been they would have done just as it occured on 9/11. The idea that the bombs would have exploded at the same time during a controlled demolition is simply incorrect.

Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
i disagree with you. in afghanistan artillery is largely being used in mountain regions, nowhere near the civilian population.

in iraq, which iraqbodycount.org has at 100k civilian deaths, most of them have been by iraqis killing iraqis.
[edit on 3-7-2008 by fastfingersfunk]

Over the last year or so even the U.S. injected president of Afghanistan Hamid Karzai has publicly complained to the USA regarding a massive civilian death toll as a result of aerial bombardments to his country.

Also if you're going to start blaming the Iraqis for killing other Iraqis as a result of the war, the creator of that war is still the USA. You don't leave an arsonist in charge of putting out a fire. Which is exactly what is going on in Afghanistan and Iraq.