Worst child abuse in history - dont read if easily upset

reply to post by ZindoDoone

How do you check your harddrive?
Control-alt-delete,
processes?

Originally posted by EverythingYouDespise

In your sig, you suggest we should fight for our freedoms. What about freedom of speech?

Freedom of specch absolutely, i just don't like a debate being subverted by someone out to get their jollies causing trouble.

They are born with different tastes, as are some serial killers. By your logic we shoudn't punish those poor serial killers either, just allow them to live their lives. Paedophiles hurt children, that isn'ta thing up for debate it's been researched over and over and found that people who are abused are badly effected. I actually know someone who was abused and to hear her talk about it is so upsetting you probably can't understand it. You lack empathy.

I don't believe in executing these men becuase i'm against the death penalty, ionly ask they are removed from society so they cannot hurt another child, that means life in prison.

Originally posted by metamagic

Originally posted by optimus fett

Worst child abuse in history - dont read if easily upset

news.sky.com

A paedophile has been jailed indefinitely for possessing the worst child porn collection ever found in Britain.
Arthur Morley's sickening library was so bad that experienced police officers said it would haunt them for the rest of their days.

(visit the link for the full news article)

I'm going to go against the tide of "crucify him" to ask a couple of questions to the thread that bother me. First of all, the thread title reads "Worst child abuse in history" but this man didn't actually abuse any children according to the article. He was arrested for having pictures of other people abusing children.


Let me be very clear that I have no sympathy for the man charged, because anyone who enjoys watching another living being being brutalized and hurt, sexually or not, is a sadist and needs help. If this gentleman had actually been a perpetrator of the violence, then he would be a danger to society.

The part that really gets me angry is that everyone is patting themselves on the back for a job well done and enjoying the public pillorying of this man, but what about the children who were in the porn? Aren't they are the real victims? Why is no one in the media or on this thread demanding to know what is being done to track down these children and save them from this abuse or to find their abusers and stop these sadistic criminals.


I would suggest that those who are expressing such hatred towards this man in the report refocus their rage against the real criminals here, the ones who made the porn and demand that the same efforts be put into stopping the real abuse as is put into those who download pictures off the internet.

It seems to me that if we stopped the abuse, then we would stop the porn that is produced from the abuse.

People like you make me so damned angry

What the hell do you you think we are talking about?

This man has abused and raped children, he has convictions and now he has been caught for possessing, making and distributing child pornography. You actualy think that we are not putting the abused children first? He is an abuser! And you are a fool!!!

Originally posted by EverythingYouDespise

Originally posted by Lasheic
For that, and for the nature of the crime, I think he deserves life in prison. Hard labor, specifically. But not death.

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to speak out against cruelty and yet suggest that an OLD MAN should be forced into hard labor?

The only punishment that should even be considered for these types of crimes is isolation from potential victims.

I think it would even be a good idea to provide pedophiles with lifelike sex dolls designed to look and feel like children (similar to those Real Dolls they make to look like women). This way, they would be able to satiate their desires without causing any harm to another member of society.

If one is more open-minded, it is easy to find middle-of-the-road solutions to natural problems that are fair to both sides.

You are just disgusting!

Originally posted by EverythingYouDespise

I think it would even be a good idea to provide pedophiles with lifelike sex dolls designed to look and feel like children (similar to those Real Dolls they make to look like women). This way, they would be able to satiate their desires without causing any harm to another member of society.

Sounds like you have given that *a lot* of *thought*. Is that how you satisfy your 'needs'.

Don't answer that.

Originally posted by resistor

You do realize that most pedophiles were themselves abused as children, right?

That is a popular myth that is NOT backed up by psychological studies or evidence. In fact that myth started with perpetrators using it as a defense in court to get sympathy of jurors. It has spread from paedophile to paedophile as they think it will get them off prison, but in fact it is not the case at all.

Also, it is insulting to the millions of victims of abuse who do not abuse others. How do you explain that according to your so called cause and effect theory of abuse.

The psychological evidence opposes the idea that abuse victims abuse others.

One things we're all forgetting here: nearly 70% of convicted child molesters in the United States are middle class, educated, married white men. If we choose to execute child molesters (which I'm all for), then we're executing the so-called future leaders of American society. Can't have that, no more than we could have serious jail time for embezzlement or identity theft. Hell, child molesters don't even get serious time until get the busted with the 6th or 7th child. You should see the list of sex offenders just in my zip code alone. Nearly ALL of them with charges against children have multiple charges.

If 70% of child molesters were minorities, this wouldn't be an issue. If 70% of child molesters were poor whites from the Appalachians (where my dad is from), this wouldn't be an issue. Look at the enforcement of drug laws versus the enforcement of child molestation laws. It doesn't make sense! I'm shocked (in a good way) that it was even 5-4.

I don't have faith in the system to become colorblind any time soon, and start executing laws and punishments in a way that remotely resembles equality. I do, however, have faith in my aim and my two boys to protect my little girl.

Originally posted by nyk537
Send the bastard over here....we'll execute him. Well unless the Liberals take that away from us too.

Rarely have I ever been so disgusted by anything in my entire life. The report says the police officers who saw and heard this stuff will be haunted forever, but just reading the part about one victim still having an umbilical cord attached will haunt me forever.

If there is any justice in this world this man will be put to death immediately.

Hey Liberal here:


Execute the bastard in public. I'm sorry, the Supreme Court was wrong in this case. If there is another crime other than murder that requires the death penalty, child rapists would be it.

As far as the UK is concerned, Lately I've noticed alot of news coming out of there where some seriously totalitarian initiatives have been taking hold...It's really beginning to make me feel scared for our British brothers and sisters, who may be on a much faster decline into fascism.

I don't know what your laws are like out there, or really even how the Justice system in the UK works. Seems to me though, that it is very similar in terms of introducing legislation. Perhaps the UK members on this site would consider introducing their own piece of legislation to execute pedophiles? See if it passes.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

They are born with different tastes, as are some serial killers. By your logic we shoudn't punish those poor serial killers either, just allow them to live their lives. Paedophiles hurt children, that isn'ta thing up for debate it's been researched over and over and found that people who are abused are badly effected.

That's more like it. I want to debate this issue, not exchange personal attacks and false accusations.

Anyway, my response to this point is that there is a huge difference between someone engaging in sexual acts with children and someone watching a tape of such activity. I find it quite disturbing that so many people are willing to have a person murdered, tortured or even imprisoned for life just because they view child pornography. Again, it is not their fault that nature built their brains differently than it may have built yours. Everyone has unique sexual preferences and if we were all honest about what those are, you might be surprised how "sick" most of society is.

Now I know this particular man has admitted to acting on his urges with actual children in the past, but it is my understanding that he was already punished for those crimes. He's not hurting anybody by viewing pornography in private, no matter how much you don't like it. Isn't it better to have him looking at pictures and videos than for him to be hunting for children in the park?

By your logic, we should not only punish the serial killer you mentioned but every one of the millions of people who enjoy watching fictional and non-fictional depictions of murder. Presented like this, does that really make any sense to you?

Originally posted by caballero
reply to post by optimus fett

 

They will get there punishment in due time. I have realized lately it is not our place to punish the wicked. Im not on a God rant so chill, im saying what goes around comes around.

There has to be a balance in the universe everything is made up of this balance and for people who disturb the balance by taking a life or something of the sort then they will receive an equal punishment when the balance comes back to them.

It may sound crazy but its true. We have no idea the workings of the universe. We only think of the limited time that we are here on earth, but there is so much more after this life so if they arent punished for awhile, be patient they will get what they deserve for disturbing the universe balance.

Now that does not mean that we cant separate them from society, by all means remove them and lock them away. But we should not upset the balance through mindless revenge or we would find ourselves in their spot. Its not our responsibility.

I agree with keeping the balance, and I really don't want to take any life, but if our laws do not allow these monsters to be locked away for the rest their lives then I cannot see how it can be right to allow them to continue. It's not revenge I want, just prevention, if there is no alternative I would choose death.

Weigh this up, the life of one evil being, against the lives of many innocent children.

Originally posted by EverythingYouDespise

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

They are born with different tastes, as are some serial killers. By your logic we shoudn't punish those poor serial killers either, just allow them to live their lives. Paedophiles hurt children, that isn'ta thing up for debate it's been researched over and over and found that people who are abused are badly effected.

That's more like it. I want to debate this issue, not exchange personal attacks and false accusations.

Anyway, my response to this point is that there is a huge difference between someone engaging in sexual acts with children and someone watching a tape of such activity. I find it quite disturbing that so many people are willing to have a person murdered, tortured or even imprisoned for life just because they view child pornography. Again, it is not their fault that nature built their brains differently than it may have built yours. Everyone has unique sexual preferences and if we were all honest about what those are, you might be surprised how "sick" most of society is.

Now I know this particular man has admitted to acting on his urges with actual children in the past, but it is my understanding that he was already punished for those crimes. He's not hurting anybody by viewing pornography in private, no matter how much you don't like it. Isn't it better to have him looking at pictures and videos than for him to be hunting for children in the park?

By your logic, we should not only punish the serial killer you mentioned but every one of the millions of people who enjoy watching fictional and non-fictional depictions of murder. Presented like this, does that really make any sense to you?

"Just because they view child pornography?" IT IS NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME!! Why can't you people see this? These children are not willing actors, enjoying their performance! Your argument is ridiculous, stop trying to defend them. There is no defence!

Having unusual sexual tastes, when between conscenting adults is perfectly fine, what we are talking about is as different as black from white.

As for being punished for previous crimes, that is one of the main points, he is let out to repeat his crimes again and again, and how many times is he not caught? It doesn't bear thinking about, I really despair sometimes.

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i cant believe u actually defending them. i honestly dont know how to explain it to you because if u dont get it at this point then clearly there is nothing for you to understand. the sicko watched children being victimized over and over again, and no please dont say that it is a sexual preference because that means u are comparing his sick habits to homosexuality or something else. how can u defend someone who preys on innocent children and takes advantage of them. your brain needs to be rewired because your circuits are all messed up now. its people like him are the reasons why i may never bring kids into this world.

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
This migbht be a little of topic but.. All here might want to seriously check they're own hard drives carefully. I have an aquaintance, who logged on to a dnld site and dnlded a few songs legaly. Her 12 year old did the same thing illegaly and had 2 gigs of very discusting porno on her hard drive maliciously put there through a back door. The only way she found it was by checking the dnlds and noticed that something she did not recognize was there. I garruntee it was NOT her that dnlded it. She is a rape victim and a staunch believer in victims rights.
So....that said, all here might want to do a little snooping of they're own hard drives incase our benevolent FBI happens to take they're own look with out your knowledge and comes knocking on your door.
Now, as far as this wretch and others like him??? dump his a** right into general population and let the chips fall as they may!!
Zindo

believe me when i say this but no way can 2 gigs of files can be downloaded without the user being aware of it. think about it. its common sense, i can only believe such a story if the person downloaded a virus accidentally as these things are like 10kb or so, but 2 gigs, comon! some user put these files there dont blame bad internet/download whatever because thats naive. she should check with anyone who used that computer, definitely them. back doors dont do that btw, its like people always saying that their computer is messed up because there is a virus when in fact they messed things up not a virus.

[edit on 28-6-2008 by DuneKnight]

reply to post by A curious cat


I'm not sure why you included my quote with his, it makes it look as if i was defending paedophiles as well!

Paedophiles hurt children, it is not victimless, it is not acceptable, the long term effects of abuse, both physical and emotional can and do last the entirety of a childs life. There is no defense to harming another person in such a way that they carry it through into the rest of their lives. To do it to an adult is horrible, to do it to a child is terrible, the child cannot say no, cannot stop an adult and often they trust the adult involved. The betrayal they must feel is impossible to put into words.

This man should be kept in prison for life, i read an article today that said he may be out in as little as 2-5 years. If that's true then i give up on our prison system, because this man will reoffend, he'll just be more careful.

Originally posted by DuneKnight


believe me when i say this but no way can 2 gigs of files can be downloaded without the user being aware of it. think about it. its common sense, i can only believe such a story if the person downloaded a virus accidentally as these things are like 10kb or so, but 2 gigs, comon! some user put these files there dont blame bad internet/download whatever because thats naive. she should check with anyone who used that computer, definitely them. back doors dont do that btw, its like people always saying that their computer is messed up because there is a virus when in fact they messed things up not a virus.

[edit on 28-6-2008 by DuneKnight]

Speaking as someone who worked as a network security tech i can tell you it is possible. Some people would take me aside (customers) and tell me they've found something horrible on their own hard drives and want it removed. The files were often made so they coudln't be deleted with the recycle bin or even a shredder program. Access was denied even to the admin account. There are several ways this can happen.

They are illegally downloading movies like "Gone in 60 Seconds" (i picked that as a random example because i love that movie). Anyway some sick people out there just take the most horrible porn and rename the file. It's very easy to download such a thing, thinking you're getting a normal film and getting something awful. Most of the time when i was asked to remove something it was just bondage things but you could attach anything.

Then there are trojans, if someone shared a trojan on a network like Kazaa, if downloaded and executed it could allow the remote control of the computer and then the person could download whatever they wished.

You say back doors don't do that? Have you ever heard of programs like SubSeven? It's a very old program, loved by the idiot script kids out there and quite capable of doing what was described. Hell you could even use the Go To My PC service currently being sold to do it, although that requires the person go to a webpage and allow the connection so different to a trojan in that it's legal.

Someone used their wireless router (if they have one), downloaded the files and placed them on the computer if they're part of an open network. Doubtful this would happen but it's technically possible. My point being, it's very possible what was described happened, so don't go getting all judgmental yet, some innocent people have been caused trouble this way believe me.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by A curious cat

 

I'm not sure why you included my quote with his, it makes it look as if i was defending paedophiles as well!

Paedophiles hurt children, it is not victimless, it is not acceptable, the long term effects of abuse, both physical and emotional can and do last the entirety of a childs life. There is no defense to harming another person in such a way that they carry it through into the rest of their lives. To do it to an adult is horrible, to do it to a child is terrible, the child cannot say no, cannot stop an adult and often they trust the adult involved. The betrayal they must feel is impossible to put into words.

This man should be kept in prison for life, i read an article today that said he may be out in as little as 2-5 years. If that's true then i give up on our prison system, because this man will reoffend, he'll just be more careful.

ImaginaryReality1984 Please accept my appolgy, I accidentaly left your quote in at the top.
There's no way you agree with anything he says, you are a decent human being.

I will be more careful in future, got a little too fired up and was careless.

Originally posted by TheComte
Or, we could let justice be done and put him in with the general population, making sure his crimes are known to other inmates.

That one works for me. Let the prisoners met out the justice they think this scum deserves. They don't look kindly on his type.

Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by TheComte
Or, we could let justice be done and put him in with the general population, making sure his crimes are known to other inmates.

That one works for me. Let the prisoners met out the justice they think this scum deserves. They don't look kindly on his type.

Well i agree they should be kept in the general population and not given special wings, seems stupid to me. What worries me most is that this man may be released in as little as 2 years, 5 maybe.

He has shown a willfullness in offending and i'm sure he'll show no remorse when the therapists interview him. He'll give remorse lip service, but the good therapists see through it in a moment, i hope they stamp his file as someone unable to control his impulses and recommend a life sentence, meaning life.