Exclusive: No Ice At The North Pole

this is quite bad if true! we are in the minimum of solar activity , there were no solar sunspots (almost none) for more than one year and the Sun output was smaller than ussual. If ice still melts , what shall we expect during the maximum of solar activity???
Also one more thing - sure we are not concerned on the floating ice, this will not change the sea-level, the true trouble will come from the melting of the continental ice-shelf..

there's more than was told by the mainstream:

They returned with images and data showing that red-hot magma has been rising from deep inside the earth and blown the tops off dozens of submarine volcanoes, four kilometres below the ice."Jets or fountains of material were probably blasted one, maybe even two, kilometres up into the water," says geophysicist Robert Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, who led the expedition.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

telling only half the story is as bad as lying. no way these people could have missed active volcanoes anywhere, they have clear seismic signatures, are loud, especially underwater and they emit copious amounts of gas and heat.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

i'm honestly wondering why the loss of the northern icecap should be considered catastrophic. as long as the cause is local in nature and does not negatively affect the rest of the planet, why even bother? besides, there were times when no polar caps existed at all and look, the world is still turning.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

i dont think that anyone can disagree over the fact that global warming is takeing place, i think its got more to do with what is causeing it and i for one believe it has nothing to do with our burning of fossil fuels, dont get me wrong im all for cleaning up our act either way and am willing to pay for cleaning up our act( new taxes to be introduced soon) but i think its the sun!this is just another way for the government to get money off of us! money i will gladly pay to be honest!

[edit on 27-6-2008 by Pro-genetic]

So let me get this straight... They're saying that all the ice could be "entirely gone" from that pole by this year? Does that not sound absurd to anyone else?

I wouldn't be surprised at the grab to get rights to drill in the Arctic. Everyone wants a piece of the pie. Americans think they have the right to be there, and so do the Russians. But no one mentions Canada. Where does Canada stand in this argument?

I never got to see CNN with those "natural" ice shelf pieces before. How in the world can they get away with showing that garbage on TV? Are people really that dumb? Boy am I glad I stopped watching TV several months ago. But thanks so much for posting those images. I'd heard about that but never saw it and didn't know where to look. Keeper images for sure.

I remember seeing a video about the underwater ruins around Japan, where the rocks are also at sharp angles and scientists told the people that it was "natural." Jordan Maxwell and Graham Hancock talked about it a couple of times I think.

Next, I'm not entirely convinced of Global Warming. I live near the 48th parallel on the Atlantic coast and let me say that most of the month of June, we've had more chilly, cold days than warm. Sure, a day or two here and there would be warm, but the rest of the time it's downright cold out there. Rain, rain and more rain to boot. We've barely seen the sun in a month. It's almost July for crying out loud but feels more like April. The weather just doesn't "feel right." We grow a lot of vegetables here and the gardens are suffering due to lack of light.

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
The result of the Arctic, Antarctic and ice in Greenland disappearing is a major one and involves three main areas.

1: Sea levels will rise.

I completely agree.

2: Temperatures will rise. The ice sheets in the Arctic act as a reflector. Sunshine and a lot of the heat is reflected back in to space by the ice. If there is no ice, that heat is absorbed by the water, thus warming the water, which just means more rapid melting of what ever ice that remains. Also, warmer sea temperatures means a change in weather patterns.

I also agree with this, initially.

3: Ocean currents will change. The fresh water from the melted ice sheets will mix with the salt water oceans and will throw off the ocean currents that determine our weather patterns. It will change how cold it is in one area of the world, how hot it is in another, how wet it is in this place, and how dry it is in that place. This will occur at times in the year that you wouldn't typically see those weather patterns. Winter may not be cold in areas it usually is. Summer may not be as wet as it usually is in other areas. The weather patterns will change.

I agree that ocean currents will change, as will the earth's weather pattern. But there are too many ways it could change to say:

This isn't speculation.

There is a lot of speculation. No one knows what will happen. Currently the Eastern fork of the Gulf Stream has weakened significantly, thus preventing a large amount of the warmer sea water from warming the N. Atlantic. Eventually with the addition of even more fresh water, that Eastern fork may stop completely, which would most likely cool the UK by 2-5*C.

So initially there could be a rise in temperature, but over the long term this could actually result in a mini- Ice Age where the earth's mean temperatures fall drastically.

I did enjoy your post, and found it very interesting. I, too, don't believe that the initial warming is entirely human's fault. But we didn't help to prevent it either. Black top roadways, deforestation and pollutants are contributors to heating up the world, as are thousands of other factors both great and small.

afp.google.com...

I most likley didn't post this link correctly, sorry.
Any way it seems that there is quite a bit of increaced valcanio activity in the Artric right now. Think there any chance that this might be melting the Ice??

Global warming exists, yes, but man is NOT the cause. It's perfectly natural.

No-one complained when the Earth was solid ice during the last ice-age.

Man-made global warming was invented to make money. All the carbon cutting schemes to date have been shown to be openly corrupt in the name of MONEY.

Al Gore is a hypocrite.

Don't lose sight of the real issue folks - OIL.

Originally posted by kelbtalfenek

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
The result of the Arctic, Antarctic and ice in Greenland disappearing is a major one and involves three main areas.

1: Sea levels will rise.

I completely agree.

the trouble is that the antarctic ice isn't undergoing melting, overall.

www.gsfc.nasa.gov...

www.timesonline.co.uk...

iow, keep the life vest under the seat for now.

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Just tell the Kids..."Santa got a house boat."

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You mean Al Gore didn't deserve the nobel peace prize for reporting what is going on?
The truth is the master manipulators are running the presses and or media.
Buy CFL's, buy a new water heater, buy solar panels, buy wind turbines, retrofit coal burning plants 2-300 million per plant, are drinking water is full of drugs, so buy bottled water and be safe or buy a home filter, want to drive your SUV and feel good about it, buy carbon credits and your doing your part. Donate money to the drowning polar bears, just donate money to some hopeless cause, you will feel better about yourself. Americans are the best at feeling like they have done something nobel buy just donating. Don't actually do anything but donate. Why is the Arctic melting i bought carbon credits? This is the best we buy CFL lights and feel good but china is getting polluted making them as they don't have the same standards as american manufactures, but I did my part. China built 45 coal burning plants in the last year, I'd be willing to bet the emission standards in china are not the same as here. Wait how can you retrofit them if you build them to meet the standard from the beginning. Yeah first you have to pollute the air then act concerned and then you need to retrofit at a really high cost. Chinese are learning well from the master consumers.

This is a funny story and I'll keep it brief. The mayor of Chula Vista was getting grief for driving an SUV, so he buys carbon credits and the tree huggers stop bugging him. Maybe I missed something but why not just buy better cars and still give money to Al Gore. Even the tree huggers have lost it.
BUY THINGS !!!!!

This thread is typical of the type started by those who have swallowed the entire 'global warming' hype. I used to be one of those people, then I did my own research, read lots of books, talked to scientists (one of whom is a close friend and has just returned from a core drilling expedition to the Antarctic with the BAS).

1. The Greenland ice is indeed melting, but the Antarctic ice is expanding - in fact the poor penguins are having to march further (watch 'March of the Penguins' and you will know what I'm talking about there).
2. More and more evidence now suggests that even with many times more CO2 in the atmosphere during several points in the far past, the Earth was actually much cooler. Hence CO2 does not cause global warming.
3. The more we learn of the massive impact that space 'weather' has one this tiny lump of rock, the more things suggest that that is what is responsible for climate change.

The basic issue here is that there are so many people with such a lot staked on the traditional 'man made global warming' hypothesis that they will fight to the last to justify their claims.

Its also interesting to note that over hundreds of millions of years the northern polar regions have always warmed as the southern polar regions have cooled, and vice versa. Also, these articles are misleading - there will still be an ice cap in the north - its not going to disapear as suggested. The magnetic north pole is not right on top, where most people assume it is for a start, and they are saying that a passable shipping lane may form, not that there will be no ice at all in the northern polar regions.

No logical and sensible human can assume that the main effects on our climate are from man - when compared to the immense powers at work in the space environment around our planet. The green lobby are being shown to be like those who thought the Earth was flat!.

Originally posted by metamagic

Originally posted by jhill76
If all of this ice melted, would there be massive floods. From the pictures I seen in school, these ice shelves are massive. They are talking about all of the ice melting by the summer, it's kind of like it is going to happen overnight.

Actually not. Since all of the ice at the North Pole is sea ice. melting it will not cause any change in sea levels -- sort of like the ice cubes melting in your drink -- it doesn't make the drink overflow.

The melting ice that can cause changes in the ocean levels is the antarctic and Greenland ice sheets sheets that are on land. As they melt, they add to the amount of water in the oceans. Remember that there is no land ice in the arctic

Except that your glass of water doesn't have ice rising a kilometer above the rim. You have to account for the ice ABOVE the surface of the water. That will have an impact.

Originally posted by flice
If indeed the ice is sea-ice that would mean NO rising of the waters, this is basic physics.
If the ice is predominantly land ice then yes, we would see some rising of the waters.

I know that. Thats why I said "Evaporation cannot keep up with the amount of water that the land ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica would melt in to"

Originally posted by kelbtalfenek
There is a lot of speculation.

What I meant by that was consequences to that effect would happen. Like I said after that, its not going to simply be a rise of a couple degrees and that will be the extent of it. It'll have other consequences and effects.

There is speculation on both sides. We haven't been through something like this, so its difficult to accurately predict what will happen. But there's often the misunderstanding by alot of people of what "Global Warming" actually means. Many people think its just the entire planet warming up a few degrees, so I was basically just showing how thats inaccurate and what other changes it would bring.

[edit on 6/27/08 by NovusOrdoMundi]

Interesting news!

Many of the issues regarding the melting arctic ice cap were aired very fully in this recent debate: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Special credit must go to another poster, Helmut, for starting a thread back in March 08, quoting a prediction that the arctic ice cap would disappear this summer!

This is a quote from page 11 of the above recent debate:

As it happens this topic was picked up by another ATS-er, Hellmutt, back in March 08. These are the images he used:

That thread was based on the following quote:

The polar cap in the Arctic may well disappear this summer due to the global warming, Dr. Olav Orheim, head of the Norwegian International Polar Year Secretariat, said on Friday.

Here is the thread from which the quote was taken:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Very nice to see ATS picking up a topic very early and repeatedly developing the debate well in advance of the event itself, which in this case increasingly appears to be based on realistic assessments of the situation, in contrast to various overhyped fantasies.

Eat your heart out Asteroid TU24.

2013 here we come.

(With a lot less ice, though...)

Its actually embarrassing reading comments by those who wish to continue the charade that global warming is a non-event. The facts are completely indisputable and are globally accepted except for the most totally isolated crack-pots. There is absolutely NO ARGUMENT beyond "doubt" raised by oil companies through front groups such as the lavoisier group.

This isn't some conspiracy which could be orchestrated by a a global group - this is the complete and utter agreement of 99 % of the worlds leading climatologists acting, researching and publishing their findings independently.

The only media ever put forward in contradiction (outside of the lavoisier group active dis-information) was that by the Channel Four documentary which was completely vilified. Lists of scientist who question the evidence circulating on the internet are without doubt the most utterly ridiculous fabrications I have ever come across.

The idea of sun spots influencing our planet have been disproven repeatedly.

There is no conspiracy here - none.

I am all for getting on the conspiracy band wagon from aliens, JFK, 911, NWO and actively study these things at the highest level. However the idea that global warming is "conspiracy" is borderline madness in the most clinical sense.

We are staring straight down the barrel of a gun - the trigger is about to be pulled - and people are still claiming it i a fake gun. Well its not. The notion of global warming was floated almost 60 years ago - yes that long - and every single prediction has come true, in time, and on schedule or faster.

Please realise that the only people to benefit by claiming global warming is fake are the the Iron Triangle - the one and same behind most of our issues.

There is absolutely no doubt about global warming - none - that is the current global consensus of thousands, upon thousands of climatologists, scientists etc. Every living Nobel winner signed a petition over 15 years ago begging the world leaders to act - this was a conspiracy ?

The argument against global warming is absolutely in the same court as Intelligent Design or Flat Earth - it is preposterous in the extreme. Its proponents relying on the most cherry picked evidence and the exclusion of all else.

Ridiculous.

For those that are in this group - there comes a time in every persons life - for me it is every day - to question what you think and why - the foundation of good thinking.

Further -

For those who do not think Walmart is behind global warming -

Almost every country is planning on a rise in temperature of a possible 3 degrees over the next 100 years. The IPCC predictions are based on the most conservative estimates with no evidence included which had not been confirmed as fact prior to teh commencement of the first report - yes the first report. There for issues such as mulons (melt water running under the glaciers and on the rock beds of Iceland which is also rapidly receeding), positive feed back loops such as increased absorption of blackwater, maximum oceanic carbon absolrption and a myriad of other factors HAVE NOT BEEN INCLUDED in their estimates due to pressure from american delegates.

Hence the current figures are conservatively around 6 degrees at a minimum - bear in mind that this is an average global temperature - so at the equator this could be a .1 degree however at the poles it could be 12 degrees. This is an example of temperature variation however gives an idea of the ramifications.

The collapse of Antartic and world wide glacier failure (which would occur at 6 degrees) would mean a global rise in ocean levels of 60 meters -

one more time

a global rise of 60 meters.

This is at a level of 6 degrees which is the minimum rise currently expected.

The seriousness of this situation can not be emphasised enough.

Combine this with the recent article in new sc ientist regarding oil conditions and their changes (modelling carried out by the US) and food shortages, heating, cooling demands, freak weather (katrina stopped all gulf production) and you start to see a very grim picture.

Originally posted by audas
Its actually embarrassing reading comments by those who wish to continue the charade that global warming is a non-event. The facts are completely indisputable and are globally accepted except for the most totally isolated crack-pots.

You really should try and do your own research. Global warming is NOT indisputable. It's NOT fact and is actually a theory and a flawed one at that. There are just as many respected scientists, with more and more joining every day, who think that the whole man-made global warming hype is well, nothing but hype.

What is actually embarrassing is your gullibility.

In regards to the topic at hand, the article is being a little disingenuous because there is more artic ice now than there was at this time last year. The purpose of the story has been circulated in order to produce fear and promote the global warming agenda.

[edit on 27-6-2008 by WhatTheory]

I am not buying any of this. Seems lately there are people all over the place painting their own doom and gloom "we're all gonna die" pictures and the just collectively don't add up.

I am not about to argue about it though.

here's a link to a supposed webcam of the north pole if people would like to see the real thing...

www.arctic.noaa.gov...

Someone mentioned that if the pole melted we would be flooded.
That is correct. I guess if we aren;t all swimming in the summer, then it was all a big fluke.