Court rules in favor of Second Amendment gun right

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
Fact: Doctors kill more people than guns
Fact; Automobiles kill more people than guns
Fact; Boating accidents kill more people than guns.

Just to illustrate the point, I've known a person who was killed in a car accident, a person who was killed in a boating accident. But I have never known someone who was killed in the commission of a gun crime.

Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin
Of course, you won't and you'll just keep racking up the high school body count.

Nice attempt to use sensationalism to argue your point. But let me very easily refute this argument, along with all the rest of the anti-gun arguments.

Check out the map here

I'll save you all a little time and point out that you'll notice that all of the school shootings and and most if not all of the other mass shootings have taken place in so-called gun free zones. Places where the law prohibits anyone from having a gun in order to defend themselves. Contrast that with what happened in Nevada recently. A shooter walked into a casino and just started shooting people. Waiting for the police to arrive would have cost perhaps many more injured or killed. Instead, a licensed CCW gun owner pulled his gun and took down the shooter. So, you must now ask yourselves what if just one teacher or student at Virginia Tech had been allowed to carry a gun for self defense? And how many lives would have potentially been saved?

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Owning a gun is not a freedom, it's a mistake. Yes, I'm very scared of dangerous weapons in the hands of Americans. Stereotypes exist for a reason.

Sounds like a 'right' to me.

On your assessment of school shootings, every single one has been under a compete weapons ban since Columbine. It hasn't worked. School shootings are more common since the weapon-free school zones were established.

On your concept of removing guns from society, a gun can be made in a basement machine shop with a little expertise by anyone with machining ability. So can ammo. Smith & Wesson not required.

On your concept that all gun-owners are murderous villains, I strongly resent your implication and slander and strongly suggest you find some evidence to back that up. I am a gun owner. Please provide some evidence that I am a 'murderous villain'.

TheRedneck

P.S.: I hereby predict that CCBenjamin's response will resort to more slander and/or misrepresentation of gun owners without any factual evidence for support.

One more thing on the 2nd Amendment.

I have a little different take on the phrase "A well-regulated Militia ...".

With all the regulations, background checks and paperwork a gun buyer has to go through before making the purchase, I feel that (legal) gun owners are very well regulated - thus, following the letter of the 2nd Amendment.

I'm pretty sure that CCBenjamin is a British subject, so his opinions are of no value to this argument, despite his right to express them on ATS.

He lives in England where they have banned most firearms and are well on their way to banning kitchen knives. I presume that that makes him happy and he will be happier still when they finally get around to banning sticks and stones.

Fortunately for CCBenjamin, the British Isles are an ocean away from The United States and the Americans whom he loathes.

[edit on 2008/6/26 by GradyPhilpott]

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Originally posted by RRconservative
Actually it is a sad day when the Supreme Court has to take time to rule on individual rights that are already guaranteed by the Constitution, specifically the 2nd Amendment. Then to have it re-affirmed by a 5-4 vote? We shouldn't have our liberties reaffirmed like that. They should be automatic and unquestioned.

What's *really* sad is the fact that the vote was so dangerously close. Kennedy could have had one of his brain farts and gone the other way.

Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin
Stop being so bloody scared and grow up.

Group of said men who refused to "grow up".

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
England where they have banned most firearms and are well on their way to banning kitchen knives.

No doubt they'll eventually eat their steaks with spoons and pizza cutters. The nanny state over there would love to remove all hazardous objects from it's citizens.

[edit on 26-6-2008 by dbates]

I too am elated that our right has been preserved. If it wasn't an individual's right to bear arms then we never would have had a wild wild west. Our ancestors would have never been able to defend themselves from animals or their enemies. There is just no way any police force, army, or any other armed groups can protect everybody. Katrina and the LA riots are good examples. There are times we have to protect ourselves.
Now that this issue is out of the way, we need to prepare for the next battle against the anti-gun movements.
This next battle will deal with ammo. They are going to say that you can keep your arms, but that the right to have ammo is not a right. What good is a gun without ammo. How will we overcome this issue?

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I'm pretty sure that CCBenjamin is a British subject, so his opinions are no value to this argument, despite his right to express them on ATS.

He lives in England where they have banned most firearms and are well on their way to banning kitchen knives. I presume that that makes him happy and he will be happier still when they finally get around to banning sticks and stones.

Fortunately for CCBenjamin, the British Isles are an ocean away from The United States and the Americans whom he loathes.

Either from the U.K. or one of the Australian states or territories that have outlawed firearms I say one of because there are some that allow firearms ownership, either way I think it is a jealousy issue lol

Originally posted by centurion1211
I have a little different take on the phrase "A well-regulated Militia ...".

With all the regulations, background checks and paperwork a gun buyer has to go through before making the purchase, I feel that (legal) gun owners are very well regulated - thus, following the letter of the 2nd Amendment.

In the language of the day in which the Constitution was written regulated means "2: to bring order, method, or uniformity to ."

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The thing I don't understand is why so many from outside this country get in such an uproar over our gun laws. I've never understood that. If the British want to ban guns, that's fine with me. That's their right and it has absolutely no effect on me.

By the same token, we also have the right to determine our own laws and regulations regarding domestic gun ownership, just as they do. A little respect for this fact would occasionally be nice.

The ruling isn't anything to celebrate because it shouldn't have ever come to this in the first place. It is, however, relieving.

For the idiot who talked about European "liberties," were you making a joke? If so, I rescind the idiot label. Otherwise, I'll remind you that we in America don't have government sponsored restrictions against half the crap you have in European countries. In this country you can still say the Holocaust never happened without being jailed, you can call any group of people you wish "barbarians" regardless of their religion without worry of being prosecuted under religious hate crime laws, you can wear whatever religious iconography you wish in public without being stopped by a cop and ordered to conceal it, for the most part we don't have CCTV cameras pointed at us everywhere we go, and above all else, we have the right to defend ourselves. Do you realize that the UK currently has the second highest rate of knife crimes in the world, behind only Spain www.timesonline.co.uk... This is just one of the reasons we fought a war to escape from your little continent centuries ago.

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"Owning a gun is not a freedom. It isn't something you should be able to do, period, because it is obviously a mistake waiting to happen. Aren't you sick of school shootings yet?

Guns are dangerous weapons. Only trained professionals should have them, and only where necessary. The general public should not be armed! What kind of mentality is it that dictates it is okay for Joe Bloggs on the street to have a leathal weapon?! And you are defending it!"

I must disagree with you on the first part of your statement. here, In the USA. Owning a gun is a freedom gauranteed to US Citizens under the 2nd ammendment to the United States of America Constitution..
I will agree with you that they are dangerous weapons.. They are designed to be such, so are crossbows, bows, swords.etc...
As far as trained professionals being the only ones allowed to own and use firearms.. That actually scares me more than just letting the criminals have them..
As far as the type of mentality that will let "Joe Bloggs" have a firearm?. I think that is actually a very "Liberal" Ideology.. The Idea that most of our citizens have the right to be trusted and afforded the oportunity to have an "arsenal" equivelant to or even sometimes better than our own "Armed forces" Speaks volumes to me, in that our founding Fathers and our own citizenry have such faith in Humanity that this is not only allowed in this country, but it is also a right!!!
I do not expect to change your opinion, nor do I wish to demonize you for having your opinion, You are more than welcome to have a differing opinion than mine, and that does not make you an idiot nor does it mean that you are somehow less intelligent than I.. All it means is that we dissagree, albeit Vehemently, As You may not fathom my stand on this, I also am unable to emote with your view.. But, there is no need for derogatory comments..

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Originally posted by ZindoDoone
In the USA:

Fact: Doctors kill more people than guns
Fact; Automobiles kill more people than guns
Fact; Boating accidents kill more people than guns.

So whos more dangerous C.C. guns or everyday usage of cars,boats ,or going to the Dr. Your phobia about US gun ownership is flawed in many ways. If gun laws work so well, why is it since UK has baned them, crime in your country has increased? Victims of gun violence in the UK and home invasion and burglury have climbed to unprecendented levels. Its you that have the problem. Not citizens of the US. Do us a big favor, Stay where you are. I'm sure yourt criminals will get to you eventualy!!!

Zindo

Very Very well said my friend!!!

Sorry about the one line post but I have to go to work.

Originally posted by dbates

Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin
Stop being so bloody scared and grow up.

Group of said men who refused to "grow up".

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
England where they have banned most firearms and are well on their way to banning kitchen knives.

No doubt they'll eventually eat their steaks with spoons and pizza cutters. The nanny state over there would love to remove all hazardous objects from it's citizens.

[edit on 26-6-2008 by dbates]

So right!!! The men pictured above me set forth a new precedence as to how THIS country will exist. They broke away from a tyrannical country whom we escaped from. These are OUR rights!!!

Originally posted by SystemiK
I'd say this calls for a 21,000,000 gun salute.

Great news here, something that seems to be in short supply lately.....

Just in time for the 4th Of July!!!!!

i commend the supreme court on their decision. however its a shame there was 4 people with their head up their arse. the right to own a gun is a freedom i will always have and no law will ever change that, too many people died so i could have this right and for that i think them...

The thing I hate most about this whole ruling is "IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN UP TO THE SUPREME COURT!" It was unconstitutional from the begining. And those four supreme court judges who voted against it ought to be removed for not keeping with the constitution.

Originally posted by Solarskye
And those four supreme court judges who voted against it ought to be removed for not keeping with the constitution.

That's ridiculous.

Under this rationale, do you think that the four justices who were in the minority in the child-rape case should be removed for not keeping with the Constitution?

It's about time the Supreme Court showed some backbone. Especially after their spineless decision to protect our children from pedophiles. At least we have the right to put a hole in their head if we catch them trying to hurt our children. Save the taxpayer the money that it would cost keeping the scumbugs on deathrow for twenty plus years.

If your state allows you to obtain a conceal carry permit, you better get one quick before the Democrats have control of the Executive and Legislative branches. The new assault weapons ban that is being introduced is their first step at reclaiming arms from the lawful citizens.

Sign up with the NRA today to fight these Communists/Socialists that are taking over our government.