Court rules in favor of Second Amendment gun right

I have mix feelings about this one, on one side I am a supporter of more strict gun laws but in the other side I just kills me when innocent people suffer daily from criminals, if criminals now that there is a big possibility of them getting killed while breaking the law it serves as a deterrent. I have been a victim of crime and you feel so violated when it happens to you that the first thing I think ian getting a weapon, but I truly detest weapons so I havent bought one but I completely undrrstand those who want to defend themselves; I rather have innocent people killing criminals than the other way around.

But like I said I welcome the background checks, registration of firearm and even the permit, other than that there is no much that it can be done once a person owns a firearm.

Originally posted by vor78
reply to post by Unit541

 

About 40% of the 17,000 yearly murders in the US yearly are NOT committed with firearms. That's a pretty large number and fully supports what you say. Deranged idiots will find the means to kill regardless of the weapon. Most of them can get illegal weapons, anyway. All an anti-individual ruling would have done is deprived the 99.99% of the 100+ million gun owners who are law-abiding citizens of their rights.

The one thing I think many antis also fail to realize is that if the 2nd amendment is struck down, what does that potentially do to your OTHER rights in the Bill of Rights? It would mean that the Bill of Rights has about as much value as used toilet paper (and its heading that direction already, it really needs no more help).

Believe me, anti's, one day the government will come for a right you DO care about and you're potentially making that EASIER by attempting to aid the government in setting the precedent of stripping individual rights under the 2nd amendment.

Only 40%?! You mean, MOST of the murders in the US are committed with guns?

Why make it so easy for them? If someone attacks you with a knife, you have a chance of disarming or fleeing from them. At least if they you are desperate to kill one another, it should be hard for you to do it, right?

So what does this do to all the NWO conspiracies?

You'd think if they were getting ready to take over the world, they would have bought off the Supreme Court and had them disarm us first.

Originally posted by vor78
reply to post by C.C.Benjamin

 

I'm defending it because of my own experience. I live in a very, very heavily armed area of the United States. I have absolutely NO fear that my neighbors across the street are going to go on killing sprees. I have absolutely NO fear of walking down my street unarmed. Why? Its the reason you state: people are the problem, not firearms. Firearms are ingrained in the culture of this area and we know how to use them responsibly. There is no reason to remove them.

The overwhelming majority of firearms owners in this country absolutely ARE responsible enough to own firearms. Only a tiny fracton will ever use them in the commission of a crime. As the old saying goes, 200 million US firearms didn't kill anyone yesterday. Or the day before. Or the year before. Or ever.

Punish the criminals, not the law-abiding citizens.


[edit on 26-6-2008 by vor78]

You can't see how it could possibly be better to just have the public agree that it would be more sensible to remove the threat of gun violence then?

You don't seem to understand - one is only a criminal when one stops being a law-abiding citizen, and by then someone is dead and it is too late.

But I say wallow in your gun crime. It'll be lovely for you. I'm sure killing someone - which is what you MUST have the desire to do, at some level, otherwise you would not want a leathal weapon - is the right thing.

Anyway, please continue to hide behind "old sayings", as if they actually make the fact that tens of thousands of you are dying every year.


Also:

Fine, the gun wasn't legally gotten, but if there are no guns around to get, a school shooting is not possible - correct me if I am wrong! Having gun shops just means that the corrupt elements of your society (of which there must be millions judging by your outright fear over not being armed to the teeth) have even more opportunity to get these weapons into the hands of the nut jobs that use them.

Stop being so bloody scared and grow up.

THANK YOU GOD!!!! There is some common sense in America at last!! This is a wonderful day for America and our citizens. Now our Supreme Court needs to evaluate the other rights that have been stripped from us all. Like illegal wiretapping. At least this decision is a step in the right direction!!! Again, "Thank you God"

reply to post by C.C.Benjamin


Ask these kids in Japan how much chance they had against a knife:

news.bbc.co.uk...

Oh yeah, that's right. You can't ask them because 8 of them are DEAD. The same thing happened at a market in Japan just a few weeks back.

Again, deranged idiots will kill regardless of weapon, as these incidents and nearly 7,000 murders NOT committed by firearms yearly in the US indicate. That number is hardly something I'd qualify with the word *only*.

Originally posted by Bunch
I have mix feelings about this one, on one side I am a supporter of more strict gun laws but in the other side I just kills me when innocent people suffer daily from criminals, if criminals now that there is a big possibility of them getting killed while breaking the law it serves as a deterrent...

Actually, this ruling will not see an increase in either gun-ownership or murder, nor will it mean the end to strict gun-laws. From what I am reading, while the Court has affirmed the individual right to own a firearm, it has not prohibited cities or states from regulating the use or ownership firearms. What this ruling says is that guns cannot be regulated out-of-existence. Though we can expect a flurry of legal challenges to some of the more restrictive gun laws across the city (I'm thinking New York and Chicago), under this ruling, I expect most of them to stand.

Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin

Also:

Fine, the gun wasn't legally gotten, but if there are no guns around to get, a school shooting is not possible - correct me if I am wrong! Having gun shops just means that the corrupt elements of your society (of which there must be millions judging by your outright fear over not being armed to the teeth) have even more opportunity to get these weapons into the hands of the nut jobs that use them.

Stop being so bloody scared and grow up.

We could have used some educated, law abiding students/teachers carrying handguns to thwart the school shootings in Virginia Tech and other places.

reply to post by C.C.Benjamin


Guns prevent more deaths than they cause.

You have a gun phobia. Every time a state or city has made gun ownership mandatory - crime rates go down.

Criminals will get guns if they want them, as it helps with their work.

Taking guns away from law abiding citizens just makes it easier for criminals to rape rob and kill us.

You wouldn't be so timid if you had a gun. You would feel better knowing that you could protect yourself and others should a Columbine-type shooting occur.

All school shootings that have happened in the US - have happened in "gun-free" zones with illegally obtained weapons... see how criminals will get guns if they want them? See how they use them in areas where law-abiding citizens are forbidden to carry them?

I bet you are from country with garbage bin inspectors, curfews and cameras everywhere that is currently being raped by the EU and has forbidden the use of cameras in public...

Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin
I'm sure killing someone - which is what you MUST have the desire to do, at some level, otherwise you would not want a leathal weapon - is the right thing.

Stop being so bloody scared and grow up.

The only person here that needs to grow up is you. You are twisting what people are saying, and accusing them of wanting to murder people.

Seeing how you don't want people to be able to defend themselves, you MUST want to rape and murder at some level.

I have no evidence that you want to do that, but since you disagree with me, that has to be the case. Not exactly fair, is it? But it is the same standard you are applying. Such accusations serve to do nothing but distract and derail. You are not arguing from a mature or respectful position.

[edit on 26-6-2008 by SaviorComplex]

Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin

You can't see how it could possibly be better to just have the public agree that it would be more sensible to remove the threat of gun violence then?

You don't seem to understand - one is only a criminal when one stops being a law-abiding citizen, and by then someone is dead and it is too late.

But I say wallow in your gun crime. It'll be lovely for you. I'm sure killing someone - which is what you MUST have the desire to do, at some level, otherwise you would not want a leathal weapon - is the right thing.

Anyway, please continue to hide behind "old sayings", as if they actually make the fact that tens of thousands of you are dying every year.


Also:

Fine, the gun wasn't legally gotten, but if there are no guns around to get, a school shooting is not possible - correct me if I am wrong! Having gun shops just means that the corrupt elements of your society (of which there must be millions judging by your outright fear over not being armed to the teeth) have even more opportunity to get these weapons into the hands of the nut jobs that use them.

Stop being so bloody scared and grow up.

As usual, you can't win the argument, so you resort to accusations and name calling. Again, I have absolutely NO fear of the gun owners in my area. I have absolutely NO fear of ANYONE in this area. That old saying is absolutely accurate. There are about 200 million firearms in this country that will indeed never be used in the commission of a crime.

The fear seems to be coming from YOU. Why are you so afraid of legal gun owners who never commit crimes?

You're right about one thing, law-abiding citizens are only law abiding until they commit a crime, but that, my friend, is a very, VERY slippery slope you're standing on. Try not to fall off of it.

BTW, the illegal gun trade in this country is already enormous and a blanket gun ban would have no effect. See Prohibition in the 30s for an example of how well government bans work on illegal black markets.

I live outside of DC and this was a breaking news story. And it is a big salute to freedom and makes me very happy.

I strongly believe in the freedom of gun ownership.


I do believe in the application process though. Crazy people and felons should not be able to own guns. sorry....


But for those of us who just want to protect our families. WOOHOOO!!!

It was a close vote though....

I wish I could see more people carrying handguns in holsters in plain view. THAT would prevent so much crime in my opinion. Take handgun courses, pass a background check, legally obtain a weapon, and carry it on your hip. Crime would go down so much it more people did this!

Actually it is a sad day when the Supreme Court has to take time to rule on individual rights that are already guaranteed by the Constitution, specifically the 2nd Amendment. Then to have it re-affirmed by a 5-4 vote? We shouldn't have our liberties reaffirmed like that. They should be automatic and unquestioned.

I'm absolutely staggered at the ignorance of your posts. Not one poster here has actually read what I have said, and I have better things to read than your, as a collective group's, completely wrong tangent on the issue.

Owning a gun is not a freedom, it's a mistake. Yes, I'm very scared of dangerous weapons in the hands of Americans. Stereotypes exist for a reason.

You are collectively making straw-man arguments, especially regarding "200 million guns that are not used in crimes".

Good luck.

Originally posted by RRconservative
Actually it is a sad day when the Supreme Court has to take time to rule on individual rights that are already guaranteed by the Constitution, specifically the 2nd Amendment. Then to have it re-affirmed by a 5-4 vote? We shouldn't have our liberties reaffirmed like that. They should be automatic and unquestioned.

Well said my friend. This is our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT! If you were a criminal, would you try to accost someone who may be possibly armed with a weapon?

To my friends in the USA, there is much about the majority opinion that reads like a Trojan Horse. Not being a US Constitutional scholar has not stopped me from opining before, but this time I think I will wait and see the legal analysis from Gun Owners of America.

I am sure the NRA will hail this as a victory, and lots of NRA members will shout "Freedom" in full William Wallace form; but I don't trust the NRA, and my gut instincts tell me that there is a very long way to go before anyone can rejoice over the securing of the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

[edit on 26/6/08 by Pellevoisin]

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
To my friends in the USA, there is much about the majority opinion that reads like a Trojan Horse. Not being a US Constitutional scholar has not stopped me from opining before, but this time I think I will wait and see the legal analysis from Gun Owners of America.

I am sure the NRA will hail this as a victory, and lots of NRA members will shout "Freedom" in full William Wallace form; but I don't trust the NRA, and my gut instincts tell me that there is a very long way to go before anyone can rejoice over the securing of the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

This is one of our rights guaranteed my our Bill of Rights. It's #2 on on a top 10 list. That's pretty high on the list in my opinion. Is it a coincidence that it is so high up on the list?

edit to add that I am also not a US Constitutional scholar

[edit on 26-6-2008 by Cale, Logan]

reply to post by C.C.Benjamin


Then prove it! I've read your posts, you do nothing but make blanket accusations and pass opinions off as fact.

"The number of privately owned firearms in the US based on these estimates would be 218 million":

injuryprevention.bmj.com...

Are you honestly going to sit there and try to tell me that anything remotely resembling a significant portion of these *legal* firearms are used in the commission of crimes?

218 million firearms...11,000 firearm related murders. That is .005%, for those keeping score at home. AND...this is assuming that all murders are committed with LEGAL firearms, which is a highly dubious assumption.

So tell me where I'm wrong. You won't, because you can't.

In the USA:

Fact: Doctors kill more people than guns
Fact; Automobiles kill more people than guns
Fact; Boating accidents kill more people than guns.

So whos more dangerous C.C. guns or everyday usage of cars,boats ,or going to the Dr. Your phobia about US gun ownership is flawed in many ways. If gun laws work so well, why is it since UK has baned them, crime in your country has increased? Victims of gun violence in the UK and home invasion and burglury have climbed to unprecendented levels. Its you that have the problem. Not citizens of the US. Do us a big favor, Stay where you are. I'm sure yourt criminals will get to you eventualy!!!

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