The only hope for this country is democratic socialism & equal redistribution of wealth

reply to post by jetxnet


Right. Maybe you can explain how different that is to nowadays capitalist society. The elites flood you with ads telling you how to spend your cash. You are free, so it doesn't work... "Smirk"

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Joseph McCarthy, we need you!

Seriously, did they stop teaching about how communism doesn't work and flies in the face of everything this nation was based and built upon in schools in the past 13 years? Better dead than red, folks... it was a way of life and still should be.

brain-washed neo-nazi mind-control robots are all the same -- totally uneducated capitalist coward traitor puppets. If anyone should be dead, you are yellow not red ... there, doesn't that rhyme better.

You don't even know Brown Brothers Harriman financed the Bolshevik Party from its onstart - Mr. neo-Nazi. Ever read Antony Sutton, ever hear of Ruskombank ... all the people you demonic folks worship were traitors and cowards and murders. Ever hear of John Loftus. Talk about room-temperature IQ bigots, hear hear.

here's your bedwetting idol, Joseph McCarthy, if you can get into gear and remember how to read. Oh, I forgot, neo-Nazis who worship the NWO don't know how to read, do they?

The one thing about a neo-nazi, they only open their mouth to change feet. You'll get off on this, probably every night for a week.

”The Nightmare Decade: The Life and Times of Senator Joe McCarthy”, Random House.

“In 1942 Smith and another Christian Fundamentalist, Minister Gerald Winrod of Wichita Kansas, co-published, The Defender. Defender called Jews, the Anti-Christ.

“Defender was co-owned by Senator Reynolds, with financial support from Gerald K. Smith. When World War II ended, Nazi activism in America, did not.

“May 1951, Reverend Smith’s Cross & the Flag, reprinted a descriptive blurb from a 1915 issue of the United States Military Academy Howitzer Yearbook describing Dwight D. Eisenhower as a Jew. Smith referred to Eisenhower as a ‘Swedish Kike’, and referred to Harry S. Truman as a, ‘Jew’, whose middle name was ‘Solomon’.

“But, Reverend Smith supported Gen MacArthur. Smith and his Cross & the Flag fought to get MacArthur nominated to run for President of the U.S. in 1952. Without MacArthur’s consent, his name was run as a third party presidential candidate, beside a vice presidential candidate, Vivian Kellums. MacArthur and Kellums ran on the ticket of the Constitutional Party. Vivian Kellums fought against the personal income tax, and corresponded through World War II with Nazi Agent Count von Zeitleitz in Buenos Aires. California State Senator Jack Tinny was also nominated by the Constitutional Party. The Constitutional Party was endorsed by Senator McCarthy,”

How's your limited attention span going?

Fred J. Cook researched Senator McCarthy.

“In his first three years in Washington McCarthy was soon identified as, ‘Defender of the Nazi SS Troops at Malmady.’

Malmady has gone down in history as one of the horror words of World War II. It was in this small Belgium crossroads, at Christmas time in 1944, that first SS Panza Regiment, under Colonel Peiper, wrote a new chapter in depravity. Colonel Peiper’s elite outfit was known as, ‘blowtorch battalion’ …after it burned a couple of Belgian villages, and slaughtered everyone in them. Blowtorch battalion came to Malmady at Christmas, rounding up 150 captured American soldiers, and 100 Belgian civilians …the captives were taken into a field, then machine-gunned to death by Nazi troopers. In subsequent war crimes trials, seventy-four members of blowtorch battalion were tried for the Malmady massacre. Forty-three were convicted, and sentenced ...to die. But, legal maneuvers stalled immediate execution …the U.S. Supreme Court granted review of the sentences. It upheld the verdicts …in Apr. 1949, the Senate Armed Services Committee appointed a three-man subcommittee to investigate the Malmady massacre.

The committee was headed by Senator Raymond Baldwin …

McCarthy was not one of the members of the committee, but demanded the right to ‘sit-in’ at the hearings …McCarthy virtually took over the investigation, castigating witnesses, storming through

the hearing room, imputing motives of the committee and its Council, Marine Colonel Joseph Chambers, a Congressional Medal of Honor winner

…why had McCarthy gone to such lengths to get in dispute? …why did he rage in defense of Nazi murderers of American soldiers? …the answer lies in the influence exerted of

McCarthy’s ultra-conservative, pro-Nazi, backers in Wisconsin ... Harnichvager Corporation …one of eight mid-western concerns holding war contracts,

ordered by the President’s Fair Employment Practices Commission to stop discriminating against workers because of race, or religion.

“Apr. 12, 1942, the Commission charged the firms refused to employ Jews or Negroes, and advertised for only gentile, white, Protestant help.

Just like you neo-Nazi pin-heads.

After Joe McCarthy became Senator, he put Harnichvager’s messages in the Congressional Record. McCarthy’s 1947 financial troubles came from stock market reverses, and too many person loans …

‘I have made complete arrangements with Walter Harnichvager to put up sufficient collateral to cure both our ulcers,’ McCarthy wrote

to his harried banker friend, Matt Shew. At the time of the 1948 presidential election, McCarthy listened to the returns in Harnichvager’s home. Harnichvager was understood in Washington as the reason McCarthy got involved,”

according to Antony Sutton, a RIGHT WING HOOVER INSTITUTE SCHOLAR,

“Chevron Oil is Rockefeller owned. Chase Manhattan, a Rockefeller-owned bank plays both sides of the political fence. The extent of Chase collaboration with Nazis is staggering, and this was at a time when Nelson Rockefeller had an intelligence job in Washington aimed against Nazi operations in Latin America. Chase Bank in Paris was a Nazi collaborator. Chase Bank, later

Chase Manhattan Bank, has been a prime promoter of exporting U.S. technology to the Soviet Union, far back as early 1920s.

“The second war crafted and created by the Group was the Anglo-Boer war of 1899.
“The rise of Hitler and Nazism in Germany, and the rise of the Marxist State in the Soviet Union, and the clash between these two powers and the political systems they represented was a major cause of World War II.
“The Order financed revolutionary Marxism and its enemy Nazism to manage the nature and degree of the conflict to shape the evolution of the new World Order. The creation of the Soviet Union stems from the Order. The early survival of Soviet Union stems from the Order. Development of the Soviet Union stems from the Order. The Order created the Left and Right, Soviet Russia, and Hitler, to be the two global arms needed for managed conflict to synthesize the new World Order.

“The arms were Guaranty Trust Co. of New York, and Brown Brothers, Harriman, private bankers of New York.

“In 1984 Averell Harriman (The Order 1913) was elder statesman of Democratic party while George Bush (The Order 1949) was heading CIA, then running for vice president then president, head of moderate-extremist wing of Republican Party. Order created and financed Soviet Union. Order created and financed Nazi Germany.

“Guaranty Trust Co., Brown Brothers, Harriman and Ruskombank developed Soviet Union’s oil and manganese. In 1901 the Caucasus oil fields … Baku fields … produced half the total world crude oil output. After the revolution, which was a coup d’état orchestrated against the Czar, Soviet Union needed raw materials, technical skills and working capital to restore Russian factories. American firm International Barnsdall Corp. provided equipment to the Communists. They started drilling in the oil fields. International Barnsdall and Lucey Manufacturing Co. sent machinery and equipment from United States and sent American oil field workers to Communist Soviet Union.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by counterterrorist]

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cont reply to burdman30ott6 and the neo-nazi capitalists.

AS YOU'LL SEE the far right are not necessarily neo-nazi pin-heads, like some posters are.

according to Antony Sutton, a RIGHT WING HOOVER INSTITUTE SCHOLAR,

“Guaranty Trust, Union Banking Corp. were Harriman & Nazi interests that funded Hitler and helped construct and finance Nazism, National Socialism.
“Meanwhile, the Order kept a hold on professional associations relating to Soviet Union. Anglo-Russian Chamber of Commerce was created in 1920 to promote trade with Russia. It was needed by Soviet Union to get the Czar’s industries working again. Chairman of the Executive Committee of Anglo-Russian Chamber Of Commerce was helped by Samuel R. Berton, a vice president of Guaranty Trust. The Order was aware that ‘issuing credits’ to U.S.S.R. was illegal. It wasn’t made legal until 1933 when President Roosevelt got elected.
“Even though it was illegal and treason against the United States Government, Guaranty Trust did more than trade in Russian credits. Guaranty Trust made a joint banking agreement with the Soviets and installed a Guaranty Trust Vice President, Max May, as Director in Charge of the foreign division of a Soviet bank, the Ruskombank.

“Meanwhile the U.S. Government told U.S. citizens Soviet Communists were murderers.
“Meanwhile the Department Of Justice was deporting ‘Reds’ back to Soviet Union.
“Meanwhile every American politician-lawyer was telling the American public the United States would have no relations with the Soviets.

“But behind the scenes Guaranty Trust Co. was actually running a division of a Soviet bank. American troops were being cheered by Soviet revolutionaries for helping protect the ‘Revolution’. The Order’s law firm Simpson, Thatcher & Bartlett represented the Soviet State Bank in the U.S. In 1927 Simpson, Thatcher & Bartlett told U.S. Government, Soviets were starting to increase U.S. bank deposits. This increase was priming the pump for huge payments to be directed to a few favored U.S. ruling family firms to build the Soviet First Five Year Plan. At the same time, in 1928, Secretary Kellogg said the government of the U.S. maintained the position it would be futile and unwise to enter into relations with Soviet Government. At this time the U.S., with implicit government approval, was involved in planning the First Five Year Plan in Russia. The planning work was done by American firms. Order construction of the Soviet dialectic arm continued through the 1930s up to World War II. In 1941 W.A. Harriman was appointed Lend Lease Administrator to assure flow of U.S. technology and products to Soviet Union. Harriman violated Lend Lease law that required only military goods could be shipped to Soviet Union. He shipped vast amounts of industrial equipment.

“Harriman shipped U.S. Treasury Department currency plates. Now the Soviet Communists could freely print U.S. dollars.

“During McCarthy era while Communists were persecuted in U.S., ruling family banking interests had well-established interlocking board members on Soviet Communist banks, and had been financing and issuing credit to the Communist,40 years,” Antony Sutton said.
For his troubles not to mention his accurate and well-documented research, Antony was blackballed by the establishment in America, and feared for his life each day. He died in 2002,

p.s. here's some more stuff to try to penetrate your monolithic grey matter
hey capitalist, it's online and free, better charge money for the internet! huh?

eustace mullins, Secrets of the Federal Reserve' www.barefootsworld.net...

For neo-Nazi holocaust deniers
www.abovetopsecret.com...

What companies do you hate the most
www.abovetopsecret.com...

also, I can’t understand this ‘patriot’ stuff at all, if you do, can you explain it
do you understand? U.S.A. is a corporation, not a country.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 25-6-2008 by counterterrorist]

So, I'm correct. God forbid you should TRY to counter those with God like common sense compared to you.

That's right, pet the cub but ignore the lion. Soon, the lion will devour you.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Gorman91]

reply to post by Gorman91


Are you even reading my posts? You're totally missing the points and criticizing me for your own false conclusions. Capping the wealth at the top would not change that much at the bottom, not everyone would be working for the same. Some jobs would be better paid than others, according to difficulty and qualifications requirements. But ALL jobs would tend to be better paid, because there would be less money being syphoned off by the parasitic elite.

F. See you again next year.

reply to post by counterterrorist


Wow, you're worse than me, and I didn't think that was possible. Nice.

reply to post by MaMaa


Umm you wont have to work your azz off, thats the point. The other guy is saying communism leads to dictators. Everyone is ruled by dictators right now basically.

They are creating all these illusions, that theres not enough money and we all need to work 50 hours, etc. We can use all these tainted names like socialism or whatever for people to get stupid ideas of what it might be.

There are plenty of people who know how to work it out to be pretty good for all, its not hard. The elite know it can be done, but they are too greedy to do it.

You have to remember they have free energy too. Thats going to redistribute the wealth anyway and increase the worlds income by 3-7 fold. And they also estimate up to 80% of our costs are gone. THe poor countries will benefit the most, but man we can all live good.

We just need everyone to stop believing the lies and jump on our side and help overthrow the elite. Once people realize the corruption theyll see we must have much stronger checks and balances. Its much easier to do these days with the visibility the internet can bring.

reply to post by Zepherian


Well I agree with this except for cutting out the government. People can't have no government. if there is no government, the people will make one.


[edit on 25-6-2008 by Gorman91]

I know these flag wavers are too ridiculous to ever travel the world and see outside the box.

But the US was in first place for awhile and we are waking up to realize we arent first anymore. Somethings wrong obviously. The guys in first are always cocky and the second place guys work hard to find ways to get ahead.

Check out europe. Ive met many europeans traveling, they are laughing at us. How can we not see it.

If the human body worked like our govt we'd be dead in 1 second. Having a few brain cells with most the power deciding for the whole body. The body is too complex for such silliness and our social system is getting too complex for this type of stupid hierarchy.

Interconnectedness of all parts of the body allow it to function properly. THats the lesson of nature...now go do some homework on how nature works and you will find out you dont even have an argument.

The complexity theorists already know the system will collapse if it doesnt evolve into more interconnected systems.

Seriously...this every man for himself stupidity has to go. Or ME ME ME.

the group is what matters and not YOU. We dont care what You think, We think about the group. Luckily you are included in the group.

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Free energy is being allowed you know. China, Ford, Japan, etc, all researching water engines. GE already has a hydro car coming out next year.

Once again crushing the conspiracy of slavery.



Try to think. What's better:

1) Global slaves doing nothing and buying nothing, and the gov having to shuck it out to make stuff equal for all

or

2) Global middle class who work and can do things on their own. Happy and consuming, they will be easy to control.


Oh, and if your silly enough to believe in brain washing and chipping people, be my guest.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Gorman91]


Oh, and I don't see how you think the world as different. The Europeans are just as bad.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Gorman91]

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Gorman91]

Originally posted by Solarskye
All I can say to the OP is "very ignorant way to think." It's hard work, thinking for yourself and making your own dreams reality is the " American Dream ", not taking it from others. Isn't that what the government does? take from us. "Give me, give me, give me!" What about " earn it, earn it, earn it!".

Greedy selfish bloodsuckers are all the same capitalist pigs, I guess that's where the term came from.

You should try thinking compassionately for yourself sometime, instead of being a mind-controlled robot. YOU'RE the one stealing the lives of millions of poor people -- you see, that's what a capitalist pig does.

But you -- YOU'RE NOT EVEN A CAPITALIST, YOU'RE A WANNABEE,
you don't have a trust fund, you aren't a venture capitalist, you're not a ruling family, you're not a FED international banker ... grow up!

You obviously aren't self-educated, so here ...
eustace
www.barefootsworld.net...

For neo-Nazi holocaust deniers
www.abovetopsecret.com...

What companies do you hate the most
www.abovetopsecret.com...

also, I can’t understand this ‘patriot’ stuff at all, if you do, can you explain it
do you understand? U.S.A. is a corporation, not a country.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

part 1
McCarthy, Sutton, Ruskombank, Brown Brothers Harriman,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

part 2
hey capitalist, it's online and free, better charge money for the internet! huh?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
the problem with trying to persuade people that live in a capitalistic country about other ways, such as democratic socialism, lies in getting them to understand the fact that they already have nothing.

Everything they think they "own" is an illusion.

Actually, the concept of socialism is based on the idea that everyone owns everything (in a sense), not as most people percieve it as noone owns anything. ...they've been sucked into the facade that is this disgusting system. [/quote

Why don't you register at ATS, we obviously need more educated people with compassion.

Originally posted by Zepherian
reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

What those families have done to get themselves into the top 1% of income is make money from the work of others, almost always going for low salary, high profit corporate structures. If you think that by defending the top you're helping the bottom then you've bought into all the lies corporate marketing has brainwashed society with, and I can only urge you to read more about this issue in the hope that sometime you'll see the reality of how almost all the rich are parasites of almost everyone else. They are accumulating money, energy, which is not flowing in the economy in a free and distributed manner, so inevitably their existance has a negative impact on society.

I won't dispute that there are wealthy people that are nice, and I don't want a system that keeps people from being rich, but somewhere along the lines it's not about being rich anymore and people get exploited.

Cap it high, but cap wealth, and society will work better as long as there is transparancy in the distribution of money and in how it relates to actual work. Owning golden shares is not work.

So a doctor that went to school for 8-12 years to become what he/she is today did that on the back of someone else that wants to just lounge around the house and work for minimum wage at the latest fast food chain. Someone who genuinely cares about the health of patients they see, whether they be wealthy or not, is just doing so to feed off the misery of the less fortunate.

I am a FIRM believer that you make your own bed, or destiny..whichever word you wish to use. If you are in a place you don't like then change it. There are doers and there are watchers. If you are a watcher you will do nothing while you watch others making a good life for themselves around you. If you are a doer then you really don't even see the watchers, or don't really care what they are watching because you are focused on doing.

Obviously some people did not have parents that said they could do/be anything they wanted to be. Some may have, but the parents did not tell them it takes time and patience and hard work to get there. Then there are others that really don't care, and still others that see what doing nothing and not getting an education and not trying to strive for a better life can do because their parents did not do and they strive to be better than and not to fall into the same mundane existence.

Do you really think anyone that has put forth their best effort to get where they are is going to be ok with taking what they have earned? Hell no.

Are you saying that everyone that makes over 500k a year has done so at the expense of others? What about small business owners that started their own business? What about doctors, what about anyone that has made their own way in life and been successful?

There is a place in the world for everyone. If we take that place away from everyone then nothing will work. If you give everyone in the US 1 million dollars today how many fast food chains would shut down? How many businesses would go under? How fast would the already poor become poor again? Who takes care of them then? Do we continue welfare and food stamps?

Come on....really? This thread is killing me.....I can't stop looking at it because I see soooooo many ideological posters just itching to get in my cyberface and egg me on.

I earned my place in life through hard work and dedication.......so should everyone that breathes.

edited to add: OP Just for the record why do you keep linking to your other threads.....quit trolling for more postes.....stick to the topic you started here.

[edit on 6/25/08 by Vasa Croe]

[edit on 6/25/08 by Vasa Croe]

[edit on 6/25/08 by Vasa Croe]

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by counterterrorist

 

Those than can, do and those that can't, piss, moan, complain and try and figure out how to steal from those who can.

Yeah, like you. Always trying to earn someone else's money. Why don't you print your own, like the FED, your NWO hero, does, then use fractional banking and increase a penny to be worth a hundred dollars in playmoney, like the FED does, your NWO hero.

See the Former USSR and its history for the results of what you are proposing. Is a society of Vodkaholics truly preferable to our current system? ... Capitalist countries where hard work and motivation are rewarded.

You're a real work of art, man. Here's a few posts for your ignorance and bigotry and racism against the 99% of the world population that is the victim of capitalism and corporate fascism. Except you of course, the pride of the NWO.
eustace mullins, ‘Secrets of the Federal Reserve’
www.barefootsworld.net...

For neo-Nazi holocaust deniers
www.abovetopsecret.com...

What companies do you hate the most
www.abovetopsecret.com...

also, I can’t understand this ‘patriot’ stuff at all, if you do, can you explain it
do you understand? U.S.A. is a corporation, not a country.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

part 1
McCarthy, Sutton, Ruskombank, Brown Brothers Harriman,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

part 2
hey capitalist, it's online and free, better charge money for the internet! huh?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Only the lazy and unmotivated among us would be in favor of Socialism with a notable exception. Those who already have their money in the bank or who possess power who want to use Socialism as a means to control the "little people". Mr. Gore would be an excellent example. He would agree with you completely. You aren't Mr. Gore are you?

Yes, beanbrain, I am. Now kiss my ***.

What would your job be in this system you propose? Cleaning horse stalls, pig pens or toilets in the middle of the night?

What ever needed to be done when it was my turn. I'm not lazy, like you are. And, I'm not scared of work, like you are. You capitalists, I mean, would be capitalists, just want to suck people's blood.

You don't have a trust fund. You're not a venture capitalist. You're not an international banker. YOU'RE NOT A CAPITALIST -- YOU JUST THINK YOU ARE.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by counterterrorist]

CAN you talk to others besides those you can prove wrong? Or are you no better then those you badmouth, hiding from your obvious flaws.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Gorman91]

Originally posted by Solarskye
I don't have any wealth either, and I don't want a hand out from the rich. I want to know before I die that I did it. I made my way, I payed my bills, I payed for my food, I worked, I played, I laughed and cried all by myself without anyone giving me money or a job.

Very admirable, I respect your position.

I want to help look out for those who can't survive, someone has to be mindful of the sick, elderly, handicapped, children, those crippled by the FED's inflation/deflation pyramid scheme. The capitalist, fascist corporate neo-Nazi Bush FED Cheney Bank of England totalitarian state wants to eliminate those people, as well as artists, musicians, dancers and so on, because they are 'non-productive to the corporation'.

I want to do it my way whether I'm dirt poor or filthy rich. This is what's wrong with the country today. Nobody knows the true meaning of being free. Everyone wants a hand out or government to provide for their well being.

Don't forget about compassion for others not as young or strong or resourceful as you are. You can make it on your own, perhaps. WE'VE ALL TRIED TO, most likely...until we're beat down or get sick or old.

Don't forget about your spark of life and your eternal soul. Compassion honors all who've tried and failed, all who are trying and failing, and all who will try and will fail.

After all, we don't have to worry about the success stories, do we?

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Isn't that part of what made the founding fathers leave and start a new country?

reply to post by counterterrorist


Hmmmm a Communist detached from reality and jealous of the wealth of others.



Over my dead body.

Originally posted by Boom Slice
Wealth redistribution is quite simply...absurd. Why would anyone want to excel in any field in life when they can take the easy way out and receive the same exact amount of money for doing half the work?

There's already 6 billion people here. Those who don't want to work don't have to. Real American values and real Spiritual values include working OR not working.

This breeds a whole new level of complacency not yet seen on this earth. The will to advance as a society would be lost as there would be no incentive for people to push the bounds of anything.

That's simply not so. EVERYONE, regardless of their level of work, likes satisfaction.

Hunger and poverty...these things are unfortunately inevitable in any system

Nope. Only in a capitalist world run and threatened by capitalists. If your mother was a capitalist, she would have sold you for money.

The world doesn't really work around money, it works around love.

BTW, people can CHOOSE to redistribute their wealth, as many people do, by donating to various causes.

Very true. By why would anyone support the FED? "They're the capitalists I'm talking about, the international bankers who OWN THE CAPITAL, WE DON'T OWN IT, THEY DO!

eustace mullins, ‘Secrets of the Federal Reserve’
www.barefootsworld.net...

who are the private bankers that own the Fed that owns the banks that own the oil companies?
www.americanciviliancounter-terroristmanual.4t.com...

also, I can’t understand this ‘patriot’ stuff at all, if you do, can you explain it
do you understand? U.S.A. is a corporation, not a country.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

part 1
McCarthy, Sutton, Ruskombank, Brown Brothers Harriman,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

part 2
hey capitalist, it's online and free, better charge money for the internet! huh?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by counterterrorist
Greedy selfish bloodsuckers are all the same capitalist pigs, I guess that's where the term came from.

Let me get this straight.....You believe working hard and earning a decent living, upgrading one's lifestyle and providing luxeries for one's family is greedy and selfish BUT taking someone else's money for yourself because you don't want to work hard is somehow not greedy & selfish? This is the most backwards logic I have ever read.

Sorry, but stealing other people's hard earned money to give to yourself is the definition of greedy & selfish.