Terra Papers - I was there

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by kshaund

Originally posted by WeAreOne
Hey all,

For those of you that found the Terra papers interesting might enjoy reading this PDF "interview with an alien".

Peace all.

It's fictional. the author even says it's fictional. People want so badly to believe anything besides what our ancestors wrote, they will actually grab onto fictions like Sitchin's the Lost Books of Enki, as if they were the gospel truth. I guess it's okay to do that, if you feel there's enough real life correlation to sustain it. But quoting from it as if every word were directly from the lips of the real Enki is a bit freaky.

When did we develop the notion that our ancestors were all idiotic liars?

I'd be more inclined to think the real changes to those old documents still leave them salvagable enough to understand in context. The real issue appears to be the decision to call it all myth to begin with.

[edit on 15-7-2008 by undo]

1. Nowhere that I can see does the pdf file say it's fiction - the 'Editor' (not author) says very clearly he cannot make any claim other than fiction because 'he' has no personal knowledge and can only attest that he received the documents in an envelope - that does not make the documents fiction - the 'author' claims they are very real. I would suspect unless one has had enough clues in authenticity to pick up the subtlies in information, it's all easy to dismiss as fiction (and they win again).

2. Nowhere in the Lost Book of Enki does it say it's fiction so I am very unclear where that statement came from -

3. ?What ancestors are idiotic liars? I would be interested in your version of our creation then - who really is Zeus? Adam and Eve? Ea?

Originally posted by undo

You think we are just playing hopscotch here? What the Terra Papers are encouraging is the same thing Hilter encouraged. The same thing the Communists encouraged. The same thing Pol Pot encouraged. I'd be scared half out of my wits, if I hadn't been tortured to death once already.

Just saw this tag -
Communism? Hitler? What???? Wow - major communication gap here - how you got that from The Terra Papers is way beyond me and in fact I get quite the opposite - ! How does "thinking" we might have been lied to by the churches and government all these years relate to Hitler? How on earth does trying to encourage independent action, research and thought relate to Communism or Pol Pot or any other kazillion atrocities?

I'd rather know how insiduous the world and heavans and creation around me is (know thy enemy) then deny it for the sake of being right...

i've been thinking about the phrase ASAR-RRR. It just dawned on me that the "RRR" is another way of saying UR. which lead me on a search for words that correlated with asar and ur. funny, i found asaruludu, who was also known as namshub. remember the references to Enki's namshub, the "incantation" by which he changed the speech of the people at the Tower of Babel? remember how i pointed out that the namshub was probably the method of opening the gate or the gate itself at babel? (babel=eridu)

if i'm right on this, the terra papers are not, and if they are not, then they serve to confuse and discredit the ancient documents. what makes it particularly dangerous is that it comes out only now that archaeology has actually started to discover evidence that proves the ancient texts were right,not wrong. can't let the last 300 years of anti-history be flushed in the face of the actual evidence, so now we have 15 thousand different ways to interpret the ancient past, EXCEPT the way the ancient past says it.

if i'm wrong on this, then i'm wrong and i'll get over it.

Originally posted by undo
i've been thinking about the phrase ASAR-RRR. It just dawned on me that the "RRR" is another way of saying UR. which lead me on a search for words that correlated with asar and ur. funny, i found asaruludu, who was also known as namshub. remember the references to Enki's namshub, the "incantation" by which he changed the speech of the people at the Tower of Babel? remember how i pointed out that the namshub was probably the method of opening the gate or the gate itself at babel? (babel=eridu)

if i'm right on this, the terra papers are not, and if they are not, then they serve to confuse and discredit the ancient documents. what makes it particularly dangerous is that it comes out only now that archaeology has actually started to discover evidence that proves the ancient texts were right,not wrong. can't let the last 300 years of anti-history be flushed in the face of the actual evidence, so now we have 15 thousand different ways to interpret the ancient past, EXCEPT the way the ancient past says it.

if i'm wrong on this, then i'm wrong and i'll get over it.

I have trouble keeping up to you! I have another couple pages (amongst hundreds) of Asa-Rrr words - as I understand it - when you add a suffix, etc. it all changes the context so UR might not be the intended RR - it may be AR which would be completely different, etc. but let me look something up and will post tomorrow

My brain hurts -

! How does "thinking" we might have been lied to by the churches and government all these years relate to Hitler?

because people can't differentiate between "churches" and "believers". they can't separate "jesus" from "pope" or apostle from "bishop." they don't take the time to see the difference between a papal writ and a bible scripture. they won't consider the difference between the actions of one person or group of people, from another person or group of people. everything gets tossed into the same mixing bowl and the whole lot becomes the "bad guy." that's why.

please don't insult the intelligence of the readers of this thread, including myself. if you still want to maintain ignorance on the obvious endgame of such thinking, i suggest you look at what is happening in iraq right now. doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize it has nothing to do with religion but that's the excuse..blame the religion, then we can blame the people rather than the leaders. if you ain't figured it out yet, there's no hope for ya.

Originally posted by undo

! How does "thinking" we might have been lied to by the churches and government all these years relate to Hitler?

please don't insult the intelligence of the readers of this thread, including myself. if you still want to maintain ignorance on the obvious endgame of such thinking, i suggest you look at what is happening in iraq right now. doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize it has nothing to do with religion but that's the excuse..blame the religion, then we can blame the people rather than the leaders. if you ain't figured it out yet, there's no hope for ya.

I hardly call trying to figure all this out insulting the intelligence of readers - and take exception to your accusations especially in the spirit of trying to learn. I thought you were open-minded.... My apologies to any of you who think your intelligence has been insulted by me - at this posting I would suggest it's you, undo, who are insulting me directly calling me ignorant and if I haven't figured it out yet, there's no hope for me.

You are welcome to your BS (belief systems) as everyone else is. You don't like the Terra Papers? Great. You do like the Terra Papers? Also great. Doesn't matter - Ignorance is the true enemy, not the words of a few people trying like crazy to figure out what's what before we all go down the tubes. They aren't the only story out there saying the same or similar things.

I have no idea why you keep jumping (now you bring in Iraq) making it impossible to discuss this reasonably other than to try and throw things out there to cause confusion rather than take the time to actually answer.

I am happy to continue discussing and talking under the ""Terra Papers, I was there thread"" for anyone interested. but not here, it is beyond being constructive.

Got confused on topic threads and didn't realize last post was already in the Terra Papers, I was there - so I would like to amend it to I'm not willing to continue in an unconstructive conversation (undo) in this thread - I'm not here to prove or disprove, only to offer possible answers to questions. I don't care who believes what, but disecting and disputing niggly details and name calling still detracts from the bigger picture (which means they're still winning because we're not getting it!).

Does anybody else think the planet drawing on page 9 of the Terra Papers looks suspiciously like the Death Star from Star Wars???

Been a while since I read these, so was doing so again, and came across it...

reply to post by Gazrok


Hi - yes, that's been commented on before - here's an exerpt from one of Robert's workshops on that exact thing -

"There are Ea-Su on this planet today who are trying to jog your memory. They’re going to write books. They’re going to influence movies. They’re going to influence writers in this fashion. When the grays took over they said, “Oop, one of these days, somebody’s going to remember this story. They’re going to remember the story of this enormous star ship and the rebellion and the successful revolt and what are we going to do if they remember?” And one of the lizard beings says, “Got it. Instead of we constantly having to reprogram, which we will anyway, but here’s what we do. Let’s take this man and while he’s sleep and we have this mind technology, let’s implant some thoughts in his head. Some thoughts about a large, death star and a revolt and these humanoids who succeed. And when he wakes up, he’s going to go, ‘I got a great idea for a movie.’” And Mr. Lucas goes, “I’ve got an idea.” “And then, let’s get her and implant some thoughts,” so that when she wakes up she says, “Oh, I’ve got a great idea for a book. Let me write a book about this horse with a horn in its forehead and these other mythical beasts. Great.” So that when an Ea-Su stood up said, “These suckers were real. The death star story is real.” A member of the audience stands up, “That’s my idea. I dreamt it. I created this story. I created this book. My, it’s just a movie, Robert.” No, it’s not. These thoughts have been implanted so that someone will take credit for the truth, but plainly made it up. Deviousness of the lizards who can say, “Let’s make them think it’s a myth and a legend.”

reply to post by kshaund


you asked, so i told you. when you say "churches" lied to us, you include in that everyone who is religious or believes in a religion, automatically, whether it's your intention to or not. people can't separate that out in their heads, and they don't separate it out. how else do you explain hitler, pol pot or karl marx, where normal, every day people are transformed into murderous mobs, based solely on things like religious upbringing, heritage, genetics, or level of education?
heck, wearing glasses was enough to get you bumped off by pol pot and his gank squads. once you start the ball rolling, it picks up momentum and innocent people die.

so let's not pretend that there's not an endgame to claiming the "churches" lied to us.

[edit on 16-7-2008 by undo]

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by kshaund

 

you asked, so i told you. when you say "churches" lied to us, you include in that everyone who is religious or believes in a religion, automatically, whether it's your intention to or not. people can't separate that out in their heads, and they don't separate it out. how else do you explain hitler, pol pot or karl marx, where normal, every day people are transformed into murderous mobs, based solely on things like religious upbringing, heritage, genetics, or level of education?
heck, wearing glasses was enough to get you bumped off by pol pot and his gank squads. once you start the ball rolling, it picks up momentum and innocent people die.

so let's not pretend that there's not an endgame to clamiing the "churches" lied to us.

You just included all people in your reply stating that "'people can't' separate that out" negating exactly what you are taking me to task for - I disagree that 'people' can't separate that out in their head' - perhaps that is the difference here. Those with a mind will use it to think. Just like you do. I give people here more credit than that. And besides, I don't write anything here for the ones who aren't thinking to begin with. That's not my concern. Others already do that, I don't need to (or want to). My passion is in discovering my soul and whatever path gets me there, I'm on it. All I want to do is find my way home away from the human bs - that's my personal journey. Everyone else has theirs and is none of my concern.

Who's pretending? Who's defending? Who's denying we've been lied to? I'd like to redirect the intention behind the Terra Papers as an indicator that we have been lied to our entire existance - the politicians have been lied to - everyone has been lied to! So let's get past that.

I didn't disagree with Savior Complex's story in the other Terra post and got accused of "not getting it." ? If you guys want to look for all the discrepencies and untruths and who was really lying and who wasn't, go for it, it's an endless search. I don't care to indulge, that's all - not my thing. So if I'm not getting it, well that's my problem then, isn't it?

My interest lies in providing information to people - all forms of information of which Terra Papers is only one - (and a good one in my opinion). Savior Complex's story is information that I would provide to people - to make up their own mind - I also learned years ago most people aren't going to get it anyway so like I said, that's not my concern (the people unable to think). And those that do think can make their own way and are quite capable of asking questions which I thought was a good thing - but seems it can bring admonishment a little to hastily. I don't believe there's such a thing as a bad question. Ever. It's how we learn.

theory: in the enuma elish, apsu was a star gate and tiamat was a wormhole connected to that star gate. they were devices that had been deified.
when EA fettered Apsu and slew "him", what he was really doing was closing down the gate. this event is described in the egyptian legend of the destruction of mankind. it's a flood story, where the EYE of RA (abzu or apsu gate) is used as a flood gate, pumping water from the oceans of Mars to the Earth, destroying both civilizations in one fell swoop. to end the destruction, EA shuts down the gate.

when tiamat was no longer connecting to the apsu gate, it connected to the kingu gate instead. (sitchin believed kingu was the moon, so this essentially would mean the kingu gate was on the moon). i'm not sure where kingu was located, only that it was another gate.



[edit on 16-7-2008 by undo]

Who's denying we've been lied to?

i don't think it's so much a matter of lying as a matter of often not knowing.
and in those cases where it's a matter of lying, it's most likely because they didn't believe it to begin with or simply had a faulty interpretation of the material or not enough information. and it certainly isn't everyone in the churches nor all the teachers in those churches. church is just a building, anyway. same for universities.

it isn't all the universities nor all the professors in the universities, but the ones who make the decisions on what should and shouldn't be considered "truth" and printed in our books of knowledge, they have a much greater responsibility (which they took upon themselves) to tell the truth and are repeatedly saying "This is the truth" or "That is the truth." find out 5 years later that it wasn't the truth at all and there's a trail of bodies of people who's lives and careers they ruined who recognized it wasn't the truth 5 years earlier. those people are rarely compensated for their foresight and intelligence ni the situation. they're written off as acceptable casualities and ignored. it's the same bat time, same bat channel of the pre-enlightenment.

don't you find it odd that there's only one group who gets to decide what is and isn't the truth for the rest of us? what is and isn't put into our history and science books? how'd they manage that and what's the names of their organizations? it's like religion without all that messy morality stuff.

Originally posted by undo
Well here's the question:

If it was eliminated, what purpose did the elimination serve? It's still ignored as anything but myth by every college book and professor outside perhaps religious colleges (which are few in number by comparison). It's still treated as if none of it were real anyway. So saying it was changed so we would believe something else, is pointless since most of it isn't even considered in the first place.

In the Papers, it explains that. Marduk (RA) took over, with the aid of the SSA and the HEN-T. Wanting everyone to believe in a One Only God (himself), he got rid of the handy stuff that spoke of others, or changed it if he could. He was mainly Egyptian, eh? And many of the Egyptian records have been found to be altered. His method of handling anything that cropped up about other "Gods" was to call them "myths of primitive people."

To him, I suspect, it was absolutely NOT "pointless."

And that idea has been encouraged and fostered by the SSA and HEN-T (Shet-u) once they ousted Marduk, because religion is soooo good as a control device.

How many people do you know that actually read the historical documents of the past? There are even christians who never read the old testament of the bible. Heck, some don't read the bible at all. Every ancient text on this planet is considered a fable, with very little if any historical accuracy by the mainstream historians, scientists and even many religious writers. How the texts themselves pose a threat to the "truth" as told by the terra papers, is beyond me.

I agree that it all has been counted and taught as "myth." What I don't understand is why you have an issue understanding the motives. They WANT us to flock to One God Only religions, since war is a good tool for them to prosper - by selling to both sides - and to control us. Note how very often these One God Only religions include the idea that their One God is the True God and all others are "heathens," or "infidels."

By playing upon a misplaced spirituality into dogma, they can whip us up into frenzy, and create wars.

The Gods of Eden, by William Bramley, is a very well researched book that, though he does not have the full picture, nonetheless describes vividly how this works to the advantage of The Custodial Entities. It's available in PDF somewhere on the web...

The Texts are not what are the threat to the truth. They ARE the truth up until the Bible. At that point, the One God Only creppola was built upon, and EA's teachings became "evil." The Serpent in the Garden was EA (discrediting him, making his knowledge verboten), and the manipulative forces used the Bible to foist this One God Only concept and the Only True God dogma on us.

Does this make it any clearer?

Originally posted by undo
If I point out that texts of the sumerians show Enki is the tricky god and the crafty god, the sumerian texts are apparently wrong.

As you, yourself pointed out, these were GOOD traits, from the standpoint of the Sumerians. I never argued with you on this. I questioned "body snatcher." I questioned his continued presence here on Earth and the "incarnations" you attribute to him later on.

If I show the bible refers to the serpent as an upright bipedal being who is serpentine in appearance and that this is most likely Enki, then the bible is wrong.

I never questioned the description. I said that Enki was maligned, made to look bad. But I also said that, from what the Terra Papers say, he would be more caninoid or lupine than reptilian, though he may have been very graceful... But in truth... I do think the Bible cannot be fully trusted.

If I provide other examples, they are all wrong because according to some being named Bek'ti, it's all false and that Enki was a good guy (as far as these super ETs go).

I'm not sure what other examples you are speaking of... But I think overall, EA was interested in us, or at least in giving us what it would take to free ourselves from our slavery and The System.

I'm willing to concede there may be some evidence that we were modified somehow by Enki, but created by him? I really don't see that. If we take all the references to creation from various civs and layer them over top of each other, it sure doesn't read that way either.

Feel free to illustrate this. [smile]

What the terra papers is asking us to do is throw out our ancient past. It's already been thrown out by most of learning institutions and for the last 300 years, we've been repeatedly told it's all make believe. Even the terra papers wants us to believe that. It's all make believe and here's what really happened....(insert "X" version of the past).

No... I don't think that is what they are asking us to do at all. I see it as an AWESOME clarification of what the texts were talking about.

Because I know the full story is not there, I am willing to believe stargates may fit in there somewhere. But the Papers surely do NOT tell us to throw all that out. They ask us to reexamine our texts in light of the information they provide.

Originally posted by undo
jYou think we are just playing hopscotch here? What the Terra Papers are encouraging is the same thing Hilter encouraged. The same thing the Communists encouraged. The same thing Pol Pot encouraged. I'd be scared half out of my wits, if I hadn't been tortured to death once already.

Ok... It's telling us that we all are Blood of EA, and all, therefore are royalty... And you see this as equivalent to Hitler, the "Communists," and Pol Pot HOW???

Originally posted by undo

! How does "thinking" we might have been lied to by the churches and government all these years relate to Hitler?

because people can't differentiate between "churches" and "believers". they can't separate "jesus" from "pope" or apostle from "bishop." they don't take the time to see the difference between a papal writ and a bible scripture. they won't consider the difference between the actions of one person or group of people, from another person or group of people. everything gets tossed into the same mixing bowl and the whole lot becomes the "bad guy." that's why.

Huh? I'm not getting it. Sorry. If we thinking that we are being lied to by church and state...this means people can't differentiate? I'm totally confused.

please don't insult the intelligence of the readers of this thread, including myself. if you still want to maintain ignorance on the obvious endgame of such thinking, i suggest you look at what is happening in iraq right now.

Ok, I'm looking. A war. Another bloody war, with certain people getting VERY rich by us fighting it. A war that has a church basis (Christians are the one true religion! No, no! Muslims are! One of them has been lied to, at the very least) and a state basis (and we KNOW we were lied to by our government to get us into this war). I cannot grasp your point.

(And what's this about insulting anyone's intelligence!?! Geez. I saw no insults.)

doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize it has nothing to do with religion but that's the excuse..blame the religion, then we can blame the people rather than the leaders. if you ain't figured it out yet, there's no hope for ya.

Wow, dude (is that ok, the "dude" thing? You never got back to me on that...). Of course it doesn't have to do with religion, per se, but that religion is USED as a TOOL to whip the public up into a frenzy. It is used to control us into war. If you haven't figured this out yet... Well, I will always hold hope regardless.

Originally posted by undo
don't you find it odd that there's only one group who gets to decide what is and isn't the truth for the rest of us?

What group is that? Can you name them? Maybe reptilian...?

what is and isn't put into our history and science books? how'd they manage that and what's the names of their organizations? it's like religion without all that messy morality stuff.

Yes, and it is designed that way. I suspect the lizard-hearted.

i'd like to state for the record, that you have at least two conclusions incorrect in your statements above: 1) that there wasn't a supreme god prior to marduk and 2) that there wasn't a panthenon of gods after marduk. both of your examples are sitchin theories. they are not reality. they ignore the obvious. there WAS a supreme deity before marduk and there was and still is a divine council, as it discussed here:

the divine council
users.aristotle.net...

Originally posted by undo
i'd like to state for the record, that you have at least two conclusions incorrect in your statements above: 1) that there wasn't a supreme god prior to marduk and 2) that there wasn't a panthenon of gods after marduk. both of your examples are sitchin theories. they are not reality. they ignore the obvious. there WAS a supreme deity before marduk and there was and still is a divine council, as it discussed here:

the divine council
users.aristotle.net...

I looked at your reference here - if I'm correct, it's based on the bible - does this mean you are religious per se? (Not a judgment, just a question), because it would explain a lot of where you're coming from (for me) -

Why do you make a blanket claim that Sitchin's work is fiction? And where in the Book of Enki it state that is fiction?

The concept the Terra Papers gives (as Sitchin's does if you can get through his books) is really large and overwhelms most people so they write it off as fantasy or whatever - but it's not the only one out there saying the same thing.

The concept of God (capital "G") in the Terra Papers was described as UA - the breath - the gods from written history (Ea, Ishtar, etc.) are described as gods from those on earth writing their stories and were totally meshed into the religion as 'God'. They aren't the Creator of All That Is (what I call "God") - they are advanced races perceived as gods and that's what the bible is written around - I never trusted the bible my entire life because it never made sense and had been translated "umpteen" times by people - it wasn't even written for a few hundred years after Jesus' existance? (even that's not proven one way or the other).

I have found more information on Sipapu and other aspects brought up and will post tomorrow or next day -