Does anyone think McCain has a chance?

reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin


Okay so you're going on the word of other military veterans who say McCain is a phony.

What if we went on other Church of Christ members who say the same about Obama?

How is that in any way any different?

reply to post by RRconservative


I know a blithering idiot....

Name calling makes you sound un-edumacated.

But then again thats a badge of honor in your party is it not?
In trying to deny ignorance you have utterly failed. Go ahead and try to elevate the discourse.

McCain does not stand a chance because hateful people like YOU support him. Make a valid point that does not involve your opinions and maybe we will take anything you say seriously.

reply to post by GradyPhilpott

Those who call him McSame really are hurting their cause, because anyone who has been politically aware over the last decade and a half knows just how different McCain is from Bush. They may agree broadly on some issues, but they are adamantly opposed in very many more, especially when it comes to method.

Method is irrelevant if the result is the same.

Look at his current voting record....Bush puppet.
This is not the John McCain I would have voted for ten years ago. He has flipped and flopped all the way to the right in an attempt to capture all the "My morals are right" votes. I always thought he was a good man in the past.
Now he is just another one of them.

reply to post by sos37


actually, i said

It takes a lot for one soldier to turn on another, and in the events that it does happen, you REALLY have to be suspicious of the guy in question.

So, i ask again.

Charles Witman was a marine. The Marines are part of the military. Does that qualify Charles Witman to be POTUS?

FYI: Barack Obama isnt using the platform of "im a christian" to run for POTUS. He's giving other reasons. All i've heard about McCain so far is his 'dedication' (however questionable it may be) to his country because he got shot down.

Now i dont wish being a POW on anyone. All i am saying is i think it is stupid to say "being a POW is a qualification for POTUS". I firmly believe that a man who uses racist comments, biggoted statements, and changes his mind, every other day, on every subject he gets confronted with.

He spoke out against MLK day
He called asian people the racist slur for asian's (cant say it, but i think you know which i talk about, starts with a G)

Why make "military service" a requirement for POTUS? I mean, if the only duty of the president was to fight wars (bush), then yes, i'd say military service is a requirement.

Nope, no chance.

Look as all his gaffes

Yes, I believe that McCain will without a doubt be the next president.

I do not back him. I believe that most Americans do not back him, and by the time of the election, the vast majority of Americans will not vote for him. However he will still magically win. Once again the vote will be fixed, and this time blatantly. But it will be too late, we will not have the freedom left to do anything about the blatant loss of our system of government.

McCain may be dull, washed out, and a bit old, but he has a proven moderate record going back years and years. For a politician, he is also relatively honest, and has always been a bi-partisan guy.

Obama, on the other hand, is a gum chewing, struttin' youngster with a bit too much attitude, and it shows. As he is the most socialist senator in the nation, I do hope we aren't saddled with him. We can trust him to make bad choices...just look at the company he keeps!

As for an Obama/Clinton ticket...if it happens, I wouldn't like to be holding the life insurance policy on the guy in Hillary's way.

Originally posted by sos37
You were listening to what, the MSM and they predict McCain doesn't have a chance? Is that really surprising, considering the MSM is by and large liberal to the very core?

I must disagree with your last point. The MSM is corporate to the core. The shots fired from left to right and back again are simply part of a larger, much more clandestine agenda to form and mold the faith of the American people.

Throughout most of my 30 years, the MSM, as well as Hollywood, pop music, and professional/college sports, have all posited the black man as leader of the pack. This has become much more obvious in recent years. How many commercials have you seen where one or more white guys make themselves into fools while the cool-as-a-cucumber black dude rises above the tomfoolery, perhaps with a smirk, a roll of the eyes, or an emasculating comment. Ironically, the men behind this ad blitz are white guys.

What is the purpose of all this? For a largely white, very anti-black [when you get down to the brass tacks of it] populace to 'freely' elect an African-American rising star with virtually no international experience, save for his recent rock-star romp through the theaters of glory in the Middle East, inc. Israel, and Europe.

As a native of Detroit and a firm belief in the essential commonality of all men and women, it has been very eye-opening to take off the rose-colored glasses and see what actually may be happening.

Or Senator Barack Obama may very well be another Robert Kennedy-type. He may, while necessarily being surrounded and advised by such alleged-globalists as Trilaterlal Commission co-founder Zbigniew Brzezinski, prove willing and able to rise above the reach of the puppetmasters. He may even be the 'change' we as a nation so desperately need.

Obama's exciting run through the primaries was fascinating and, I'll admit, occasionally intoxicating. Fortunately, sites like ATS have allowed me the privilege of looking beyond the MSM, in order to draft out alternate 'connect-the-dots' sketches of what may be really going on.

I predict Obama will win, rather handily, because TPTB have willed it so. And that's how it works. And if he is his a man of the people, not a man of The Man, then he sadly won't last long.






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Strip away the Messiah worship and what are you left with? A fawning media, one half of his “base” pissed off their girl isn’t the nominee and a large voting block that doesn’t.

Voter turn out, in relation to hype, for Obama was, and remains, a serious issue for him. He wasn’t able to put Senator Clinton away for good, for so long, because his base loves rock concerts but can’t seem to get themselves out of bed to actually do something (vote).

Clinton’s supporters are still upset and anecdotally, a large portion seems set on a protest vote for McCain. If McCain gets just 1 out of 10 traditional Democratic voters, he’s won the race. I honestly believe that once November 2nd rolls around your going to see a large portion of Obama’s youthful “fan” base just flat out stay home. When the Clinton campaign was talking about “electability”, this is what they were referring to. Clinton’s base will take the time to vote. A large chunk of Obama’s supporters won’t bother.

In closing does McCain have a chance? If he doesn’t stop throwing the election away, yes he does. Keep in mind we are talking about an opponent who was a “Community Organizer” in Chicago just three years ago! He was in Senate for 143 days. Obama is the most under qualified Presidential Candidate in history.

If McCain looses this, it’s his fault alone and as one poster said……look out for Jimmy Carter II.

Of couse he has a chance. And, looking at the polls right now, he has just about the same chance as Obama.

McCain does not have any flash whatsoever. None. He's about as dull as a person can be....on camera, that is. But, as a lot of Americans believe right now, he is a lot less riskier than Obama is. McCain is a known quantity (whether you like him or not) and there are still too many questions about Obama.

I think that there will be a backlash to all the media fawning over Obama. Most people don't like to see things over and over, have things over-advertised to a point where they feel like they are having something or someone shoved down their throats. For most, if we feel that, we are going to get bored and turn our backs on it. We have a short attention span and get bored easily.

Hope and change and unity are great things.....but a lot of people will question those things coming from a seemingly unknown quantity like Obama.

Well to be honest, I'm thinking that Mr. Obama is going to win. I'm not sure about the U.S but over here in the U.K, wow, its all we are seeing he is being publicized everywhere -- and to my knowledge its the same in the U.S. I hope Obama wins, he seems to have his head on straight.

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Well to be honest, I'm thinking that Mr. Obama is going to win. I'm not sure about the U.S but over here in the U.K, wow, its all we are seeing he is being publicized everywhere -- and to my knowledge its the same in the U.S. I hope Obama wins, he seems to have his head on straight.

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As a Brit, what causes you to opine that Obama "seems to have his head on straight"?

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reply to post by Justin Oldham


"McCain can't win on policy grounds, so he needs to fight this battle on purely emotional terms. This has to be a battle of perception. If Barack Obama can be painted as an inexperienced guy who means well, it may be possible for John McCain to win because a majority of voters will see him as the "wiser" and "safer" alternative." Posted by Justin Oldham

I must comment. Your post was by far the most insightful and I recognized the similarities of thought in historical reports of previous leaders. The winner will ultimately be the one who makes the masses "feel" good.

I do believe that McCain is making a powerful political choice and a smart one as well, to remain in the low light, allowing the media to gush all over Obama. Until I read Justin Oldham's post I was ready to believe that the media chose the president and Obama it would be, however, my opinion has now changed. Obama is in the spotlight, his every utterance is being recorded for all to see and compare (that is how we can see the number of flip flops). He is going to betray himself and I believe that will be when McCain rises to take the presidency.

I had to do a report on the career of JQA, "Old Man Eloquent", and had really hoped that one of the candidates would fill the shoes of this former president (of when Adams was a congressman). Alas, I have been greatly disappointed thus far.

Ironically, I came across a rather interesting prediction. The prediction was that this was to be the most intense political race in American history.

So intense, that the thought of either candidate losing will cause major civil unrest between supporters from either side.

So, a new election is held with the electorial school deciding who should be President. One person is installed without any civil war so to speak. The one installed is neither candidates John McCain or Obama.

So, who made this crazy, yet very possible prediction considering the circumstances? Naustradamus made the prediction and we'll see if this one comes true or not.

All I can really say is hes pretty much up there with Obama in terms of popularity, polls show it too.

Look at Bush in 04, he pulled off a win despite being pretty unpopular. If you look at poll numbers and you match em up with last years results Obama is actually doing worse off than Kerry. We all know how that ended up.

When democrats have a major turn out, republicans almost always win. There was an article in a local paper here talking about it. Its a weird phenomenon in the political sense that even the best analyst have trouble figuring out.

I think when the debates come around we really will see McCain open up a lead since Obama's inexperience will show in full color.

Just my .02!

This maybe a naive comment but I'm going to post anyay.

McCain looks to old and fragile to be president of the USA.

Over here in England, most of the TV coverage has been on Obama and I must say he looks fit, healthy and looks as if he can do the job with pride and honour.

The coverage of McCain has been different, from a health perspective he definately looks as if his best days have been and gone. On TV, he looks ill and very pale. I understand this should not effect how he can run the USA but he doesnt come across in anyway shape or form when compared to Obama.

However by the time they both stand off, Im sure the NWO would have replaced him with a new up to date clone that looks well.......

Originally posted by alienstar
I been reading on his chances for winning and few are giving him any chance.I just dont see Obama giving America what we need for our future.McCain has pure experience over Obama,including wanting to bring back off shore drilling to lower gas prices.Not some guy who was in congress just a shorttime.Obama wants to get rid of nuclear weapons.That makes no sense since other nations will have them!!!We will be a sitting duck.

The only chance John McCain has of winning is if Karl Rove and his boys are successful at hacking into Diebold voting machines and flipping the vote.

The reason the (paid for) polls reflect such a close race, nationally, right now is so that in the event the vote can or must be flipped, suspicion won't be raised.

The vast majority of Americans are not interested in McCain as president (tho it goes starkly against the media narrative).

As for McCain's experience, his so-called experience and foreign policy expertise and judgement led to the greatest blunder in U.S. foreign policy history: the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Off-shore drilling won't change our situation at all for at least 10-15 yrs. - if we started drilling sun-up tomorrow. Don't be so naive.

As far as nukes go - other nations do already have them - LOL

Here's something even funnier, Ronald Reagan's main goal in life was to abolish nuclear weapons from the earth. He got closer than anyone ever has in that pursuit. He inadvertently (with the aid of players like Thatcher and Pope John Paul) brought an end to the Cold War.

McCain is less idealogical driven then Bush is which means that he is much better presidential material then Bush . Although that wouldn't exactly be that difficult. The improving security situation in Iraq has thrown the anti war crowd into a spin . This does work in McCain favour . Working against McCain is the fact that he doesn't have the charisma or that special something to defeat a younger more fresh opponent.

reply to post by jamie83


MaCain has possibilities...and immense staying power.

Never count out a war hero with moderate views during a time of renewed threat from Russia, Pakistan falling to bits, and Iraq relatively calm.

As for a light weight like Obama, not even Biden can give the guy credibility, now that he's shown himself to be a typical politician.

And talk about disappointing your base...not only has Obama moved to vague statements about everything he ran strongly on against Clinton, but he can't even get a text message out to all the idiots who gave him their phone numbers, before letting the MSM get the news of his VP pick.

And then, there is that little problem of the ladies who simply wanted Hillary, and are pissed off enough to vote out of their party in revenge.

Obama may be eloquent in front of a teleprompter, glossy and young, but all that 'nuancing' at the Political Forum at Rick Warren's church left me cold.

It isn't that I like McCain a great deal...it's that I don't trust Obama, even with Biden holding his hand.

reply to post by alienstar


I think that McCain has more chances than Obama. In the end, when the time of decision is at hand, many people rather vote for McPain than Osama. The classical fear of black man will kick in many americans and as a result McPain will end up to be president

I dunno if Obama would be any better, but McCain is evil! It is so frightening to see him becoming president, and there's nothing except some catastrophic event that could prevent it (yeah, I hope I am wrong, I really do).

All the best,