Down with the Dalai Lama

reply to post by spines

What's with the assumptions? Just because I am from America, I don't support the Native population? Stop trying to pass the buck.

then stop oppressing the indian, let them independent.

That is not right, and I am tired of people justifying current violence because it was worse at one time.

Am I just not being clear about this? Why am I constantly being addressed as if I am demanding a reversal to an older time. Hell, my mention of the 'electing' of the Lama was asked as a, "did I hear that right" and I said it was a step in the right direction.

Don't assume that I am naive enough to assume that all of Tibets problems will be solved in one act of change.

i'm afraid you are naive enough to believe what your government and media feed you.

[edit on 18-6-2008 by zhangxi0183]

Originally posted by zhangxi0183

What's with the assumptions? Just because I am from America, I don't support the Native population? Stop trying to pass the buck.

then stop oppressing the indian, let them independent.

Are you being serious at this point or just trolling your own threads?

Originally posted by spines

Originally posted by zhangxi0183

What's with the assumptions? Just because I am from America, I don't support the Native population? Stop trying to pass the buck.

then stop oppressing the indian, let them independent.

Are you being serious at this point or just trolling your own threads?

you mean you would rather listen to dalailama's lies than support indian's rights?

[edit on 18-6-2008 by zhangxi0183]

reply to post by zhangxi0183

Originally posted by zhangxi0183
you mean you would rather listen to dalailama's lies than support indian's rights?

Last post in direct response to the OP:

I never said that I do not support the rights of the Native Americans. It is now pretty clear, to me, that you are trolling around. Why else would you pull assumptions out of left field, instead of actually discussing the topic of your thread.

[edit on 6/18/0808 by spines]

Originally posted by spines
reply to post by zhangxi0183

 

Originally posted by zhangxi0183
you mean you would rather listen to dalailama's lies than support indian's rights?

Last post in direct response to the OP:

I never said that I do not support the rights of the Native Americans. It is now pretty clear, to me, that you are trolling around. Why else would you pull assumptions out of left field, instead of actually discussing the topic of your thread.

[edit on 6/18/0808 by spines]

then why not support the independence of indian?

Your all going off topic and quoting large repeated statements just what ATSNN does not need.

Maybe an Indian Liberation thread could be started?

T & C Please guys, its there so we can explore the question and makes for easier reading too!

The reason the Shugden practise was stopped is complex.

To put it simply though, the deity Dorje Shugden that form of Buddhism worships is also known as the "wish Fulfilling Gem/Jewel" (however you have to be careful because a totally separate Buddhist concept is called this too!)

Now this deity is a very benevolent type of energy for want of a better description, he can help provide the material conditions necessary for a practitioner to have what they need to be able to focus on Practise. All good soo far.

He can also help clear blocks or even influence situations regards other people and if they will drag you down, he will protect you against them or move them from your orbit a bit sharpish! even misfortune can become them!

However he was not a fully realised being, not even close. Basically a very spiritually powerful person who is benevolent to the practise of Buddhism with a good heart, but a mans heart too, he does anger and have ego/pride too as he is not enlightened yet (even though he inhabits a god like realm)

Now this has led to apparent concern in certain circles both on this plane and others that as guru practise has developed towards him and devotion too as this grows his (through no fault of his own, its his weakness like ours) ego/self is starting to get out of hand.

He may be starting to see himself, because he is not enlightened, as not a protector but as a God and use his powers to further HIS DEVOTION not Buddhisms!

This is why the Dalai Lama said "His life could become in Danger!"

Also he can be called on for material gain which leads others away from the teachings of Buddhism, unlike before just protecting the crops, weather, and from looters, for a monastery and village, in today’s world he is being asked to manifest all sorts of things.

If they come true e.g. a good home or car for a practitioner there own ego will strengthen! they will become more deluded and attracted to the illusion of Maya ad not the truth.

He is kind of like now I suppose the devil but on a much less scale he is not malevolent in nature, but will anger and maybe cause misfortune to those who threaten his devotees and there wishes, if given with the intent at time of prayer of wanting those material and social advancements to make it easier for them to focus on their practise, and not be worried about food, clothes etc. But he has become a fallen angel I suppose!

Please do not post sweeping statements on things you obviously don’t know much about, kind of makes you look a tad silly!

Stay on Topic please guys, there could be some good info come to this thread, not just requotes and restances squaring up!

Kind Regards,

Elf.

Originally posted by zhangxi0183

hmm...you assure me... by what? by the decades of unbreakable political law of Red evil China propaganda?

people used to say "Hear all parties". that means Listen to both sides and you will be enlightened. Heed only one side and you will be benighted.

watch out. there are many people in China can read english. but can you read Chinese? i doubt.

do you really believe that the western meida feeding you is the fact? or the urge of bashing China take over your mind?

re-read my post or perfect your English skills... i said that western media is no better than Chinese media. So stop claiming the west is brainwashed when chinese media is no better.

When was the last time you heard something critical against the Chinese government on state run media?

The Dali Lamas is a man of peace and everyone knows that. I really don't see the need to insult him or make up stories about him. All he wants is brotherly peace with everyone. Just leave the man and his religion out of this. They were ok for all these 2000 years. This is my opinion and I leave it as such.

reply to post by zhangxi0183

If you want to help China, then you need to enlighten the people on the following points of etiquette: You will please note and acknowledge the absence of Red Menace propaganda references.

1, When you wipe out the culture of an entire group of people who you claim is Chinese already. It is really bad form to then parade their traditional costumes out for special occasions, claiming diversity of culture, and unity of culture. In truth you end up with neither.

Why do you need to invade them if they are Chinese? Please elaborate on that point for me. I find it confusing, perhaps it is an interesting cultural difference.

These cultures do not have to be dialectic in complete opposition to one another. It is not a forced choice, one or the other. You can have both. Unfortunately you have already wiped out most of your cultures and have only the empty costumes remaining.

2, It is considered rude to force people to accept your assistance at gunpoint, and yes the USA is currently an offender of this principle too, that doesn't excuse China.

3, Moving "Chinese" people into ("Tibetan") someone else’s homeland by force to assimilate those people, indicates that they are NOT Chinese by your own definition. This is called hypocrisy and is extremely ill mannered.

4, The Tibetan people would probably have welcomed Chinese assistance and unity with open arms if you had shown the courtesy and sense of brotherhood which China claims.


[edit on 19-6-2008 by Cyberbian]

You know, I am not sure my own opinion of the Dalai Lama, im torn there, BUT I feel I can contribute to this debate.

I recently took the opportunity to see the Dalai Lama give a speech in Sydney – more out of curiosity than anything else.

He seemed like a lovely guy, however the open passage of his talk raised my eyebrows.


His message was that no matter what religion or what nationality or what colour – we are all one.

As he continued with this rhetoric I couldn’t help but feel as though the speech would serve nicely an agenda of a centralized world government and even potentially a centralized new religion.

The OP’s CIA comments come to mind.

My thoughts upon leaving the talk was that he would make a great figurehead – a new pope if you like – for a new centralized religion of, say, the NWO.

Now im not saying this isn’t far-fetched, but my brain thinks in funny ways and I couldn’t help but notice this so thought I should mention it.


EDIT TO ADD:

I also find it interesting that only months after the wholesale slaughter of many Buddhist Monks in China, the Dalai Lama embarks on an apparent world tour.

Interesting…



[edit on 19-6-2008 by srsen]

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I like your idea. Please allow me to attempt a small historical expansion of it.

The Nazis sent an expedition into Tibet to measure the heads of the people to justify their Arian heritage. While their doing that makes absolutely no sense to me, their mysticism was apparently based on Tibetan roots. ( I always thought Arians were blond haired and blue eyed.)

Since the same people have been ruling our planet and controlling our destiny for the last century, your suggestion makes perfect sense. They would still have the same mystic inclinations. The Dali Lama would be their ideal pacifist figurehead, if the Nazis were the first attempt at NWO which I believe it was.

This is not to diminish the Dali Lama or his ideals. We are all instruments of the puppet masters, consent is not a requirement for participation.

Everyone!

Stop focusing on the Dalai Lama, look instead to the tibetan people!

If you really want to be "Down with the Dalai Lama" you should accept that there is an implication that you are attacking the Free Tibet Campaign!

Don't fall into the mistake of allowing people to attack Buddhism as a means to attack the Tibetan Cause!

People who smear the Dalai lama, either with mindless accusations or the Dorje Shugden practitioners have no idea what they are doing. If you have spiritual perception and can view the true spiritual nature of human beings you will realise that this man is truely a unique and beautiful being. At his heart is what can only be described as an infinite ocean of compassion that embraces the hundreds of billions of galaxies of this universe and every living being within them. This is the real deal, not some abstract intellectual idea. His mind is full of cosmic wisdom, illumination and freedom that space or time cannot limit or contaminate. All the people criticizing the Dalai lama should instead be listening very closely to what he says and he says "I have the taste of enlightenment". and when he says that he is speaking from direct experience. He has been placed on this Earth as a cosmic marker for the divine destiny of the human race. In other words he is one of the good guys.

[edit on 19-6-2008 by flashstorminc]

Originally posted by srsenEDIT TO ADD:

I also find it interesting that only months after the wholesale slaughter of many Buddhist Monks in China, the Dalai Lama embarks on an apparent world tour.

Interesting…
[edit on 19-6-2008 by srsen]

What is interesting about it? I don't get it

My thoughts upon leaving the talk was that he would make a great figurehead – a new pope if you like – for a new centralized religion of, say, the NWO.

Altough it is imho ridiculous to insert the Dalai Lama in any of the NWO conspiracies I'll respond anyway... the Dalai Lama has said he is looking forward to his retirement and will probably not be reborn as the Dalai Lama again. This is because he expects that after his passing, the Chinese will likely appoint a Dalai Lama (similar to the Panchen Lama) born in Tibet or China so they can control that future Dalai Lama and so the Tibetans (see also www.tibet.com... and buddhist channel).

Anyway I think anyone who has seen his people treated like the Chinese treat the Tibetans and still wishes them well is to me the most advanced human being. Altough I understand I only know him how he wants to be known, I very much doubt when the media lights go out he is plotting all sorts of nasty curses on those that would harm him or his people. And even if he did, there are no violent attacks in China like terrorist actions so that leaves me to conclude he indeed does not resort to violence nor does he direct anyone to do that. I think that's mighty big of him and every country should follow his example.

[edit on 19-6-2008 by Dragonfly79]

Guy got a lot of money from the CIA and that's an irrefutable fact.
Another fact is he trained "a resistance movement" in the USA.
Yes, a very peaceful man, indeed.

How much more evidence do you need to realise that there is something not right with his (media constructed) public image?

And I'm not siding with China here at all... nor with the USA side of the story.. I'm just observing, objectively.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Guy got a lot of money from the CIA and that's an irrefutable fact.
Another fact is he trained "a resistance movement" in the USA.
Yes, a very peaceful man, indeed.

Donations to monks (especially teaching monks) are quite normal in buddhism. How can you know that he receives funds from the CIA for sure? Do you have access to his bank account? What are you suggesting, he receives money from the CIA, they are bad and violent and so is the Dalai Lama? Where's a source on training a resistance movement? What kind of resistance, via diplomatic talks or do you have some secret photograph of him training with guns? Do you have any idea at all what you're talking about or have sources?

How much more evidence do you need to realise that there is something not right with his (media constructed) public image?

And I'm not siding with China here at all... nor with the USA side of the story.. I'm just observing, objectively.

What evidence? Sources, links do you have anything at all?

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
How can you know that he receives funds from the CIA for sure? Do you have access to his bank account? What are you suggesting, he receives money from the CIA, they are bad and violent and so is the Dalai Lama?

Uhmm.. he himself revealed this information several times, it seems you don't know much about him at all?
I'm not suggesting anything, there is no need.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Where's a source on training a resistance movement? What kind of resistance, via diplomatic talks or do you have some secret photograph of him training with guns? Do you have any idea at all what you're talking about or have sources?

Resistance via diplomatic talks? LOL. Yeah, that would be a money well spent.
It was a guerrilla training camp.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
What evidence? Sources, links do you have anything at all?

Is The New York Times article good enough for you?

NYT article

Let me tell you all anti-Chinese activist something, the Chinese government right now is the best they've ever had. China is going through a period of trying to be accepted into the big boys, and of course Westerners would not want that to happen. They do not want some "Chinks" who they once conquered become more powerful than them.
Politicians nowadays are less realistic than idealistic, they want everything to go the way they "think" is right regardless of welfare of the lower classes and foreigners. Western governments are trying to strip away all the economic rights of the Chinese populus when the Chinese needs it the most. If China joined Kyoto then it would have never become what it is now.
Tibet has lots of resources and opportunities for the Chinese, and thus they will not give it up for Westerners to exploit once again like British did 200 years ago. Tibet has been part of China longer than the time the United States has become a nation. Why should they give it away? What gives Westerners the right to TAKE it away?

Suppose Europe and the U.S. beats the crap out of China and forces them to partition off Tibet and Taiwan, what could be the purpose of that? Let me get straight to the answer, there is one purpose. It is to weaken the Chinese. I don't know how many times I have to say this, but governments DON'T give a damn about human rights, neither do they give a damn about the independence of countries unless it was in their own best interest. History repeats itself, think about how many times in Europe rulers tried to keep a balance of power by taking off land from larger empires.

Most of the Chinese cruely against Tibet videos that you guys have seen are either from movies or other countries in Asia. The Chinese government is too smart to leak out hurtful secrets like those. By the way, when they said that 100 people are killed in the Tibetan riots, WHO DIED? Go do some research and you will know. If you see a video with a monk and a police, both yellow-skinned, HOW CAN YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE NOT FROM

AZERBAIJAN JAPAN QATAR
ARMENIA JORDAN SAUDI ARABIA
BAHRAIN KAZAKHSTAN SINGAPORE
BANGLADESH KUWAIT SOUTH KOREA
BHUTAN KYRGYZSTAN SRI LANKA
BRUNEI LAOS SYRIA
BURMA LEBANON TAIWAN
CAMBODIA MALAYSIA TAJIKISTAN
MALDIVES THAILAND
EAST TIMOR MONGOLIA TURKEY
INDIA NEPAL TURKMENISTAN
INDONESIA NORTH KOREA UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
IRAN OMAN UZBEKISTAN
IRAQ PAKISTAN VIETNAM
ISRAEL PHILIPPINES YEMEN



[edit on 6/19/2008 by die_another_day]

The Dalai Lama holds press conference announcing that he's the spawn of Satan. Head of the NWO.....

When it comes to this planet, nothing surprises me anymore. If he has received money from the CIA, then one has to question his motives and credibility as a spiritual leader. Then again I wouldn't trust anything printed by the western media. As the Dalai Lama would say "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense".

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