We Weren't Designed To Eat Meat, Here Is Proof

This is the way we have evolved, we after generations eating meat we can be picky on what we want to and what we dont want to eat, if you look in your flesher (butcher) shop you can see whats on offer and speak to the butcher and they will tell you they only stock what the customer wants, if you want to be picky many cultures still eat most parts of the animal or ginded bones etc.

I know for a fact eye balls, tounges, tails, blood, most organs, brains (dont think you can still get lamb or cow brains in the UK any more, BSE!) fats, drippings, and other animal parts are used, e.g. haggis, black pudding, blood meal etc ( and they are all lovely to eat (HAPPY SCOTSMAN ))

In Austrilia i have even seen kangaroo balls for sale to eat, (i am not pulling your leg either), What about the chinese and asian countries, have you ever been to china, esp hong kong and looked at the medical usages for parts?.

You can also ask any dentist, what each tooth in your mouth does and what plant types or animal parts they are used to eat with.

I hope you are not a bloody Vegan bugger, one of those nuts that let the bairn die in England, cause the parents forced on the Vegan diet to the child and only feed they berrys and nuts, Flipping nutcases, human cruelty if ever i say it

Wee Mad Mental !

Originally posted by loam

Originally posted by cosmicstorm
....if i had to survive in the wild, id eat a plant based diet, as im a VEGETARIAN...

Then you would likely die.

Very few geographic areas provide sufficient diversity of wild edible plants to sustain a healthy human being.

Think about that.

[edit on 15-6-2008 by loam]

I agree, in most areas it would be difficult to gather enough plant material everyday to survive. But some in this post act as though it is so easy to get meat in a survival situaition. Hunting can be a tiring and patiences building process even if you are blessed to have a weapon suitible for hunting(rifle or bow) But now imagine you only have a knife or no weapon at all. I am aware of several ways to catch/killl animals without such luxeries but believe me it will not be easy or fun. I wont even go into the difficulties of fire starting techniques(which many folks could not accomplish), which make the consumption of meat much easier. Eating raw meat would NOT be fun or very safe for that matter.

I will also mention, all this talk of being a vegetarian or vegan is the result of luxery or modern society may have truth but the same goes for current meat eaters. Modern society has given benefits to all and believe me, 100 years ago the poor in this country and others ate more legumes and rice and grains, as opposed to meat because buying meat was expensive and hunting it takes a lot of time.

I would also like to note that i was a strict vegan for 4 years and for the last 3 I decided to start eating eggs(cage free, organic) and seafood(wild) on occasion about once every 3 months. I originally stopped eating meat for health reasons because i have a history of heart disease in my family. I now choose to eat seafood and eggs because, one i just really like eggs and seafood has a lot of essential oils and this makes eating out at restaurants much easier. But i would say that the worst thing about eating meat and dairy, is the way in which they are produced. The meat and dairy industries are the worst at putting the financial bottom line above the health of the consumer.

Steriods, hormones, antibiotics all of these chemicals are added to the animals diet and then it is passed on to us. Believe me on this one, if you are going to eat meat and dairy, by all means go for it(in moderation of course) but seriously look at the source and try to find organic versions. I am a dietician and have written several research papers on this very subject and there is substantial research to point to many of these chemicals being added to our meat and dairy that have a direct impact on the increasing cancer rates in industialized societies.

I would also like to note that i have never had any problems building muscle or losing weight(although its easier to maintain my current weight), and I have suffered less illness and allergies when i stopped eating these foods.

Eat what you want, but check the source.

Originally posted by tasteslikethunder
ok ok ok. anyone who thinks you need to eat meat is fooling themselves -period. you do not NEED to eat meat, you WANT to eat it- period. when you get down to the nitty gritty the only argument for eating meat is "it tastes good" it has nothing in it that you cannot get from sources that do not have a face and a family. The "i tried it for a year and didnt feel good argument" is old and tired, you just were not supplementing yourself properly. you can't just have a plate with steak, rice and salad, and then become vegetarian and take the steak off the plate! it forces you to be creative, aware, and educated about what you put into your body. If you want to eat meat thats fine, thats your choice - but dont pretend like its necessary.

do you use vitamin suppliments to add to your diet, like most vegitarians do?? you cant get all of you required oils and vitamins from plants. full stop idiot, you cannot live on veg alone, you will die a hollow death and not live as a health person with out meat !!

SUPPORT SCOTTISH MEAT !!

WEE MAD MENTAL

Originally posted by tasteslikethunder
actually extracting milk does hurt the animal. thats why there is such a high amount of blood and puss found in milk. milk is meant for baby calves, and even they stop drinking it quite quickly and eat grass for the rest of there lives. we are the only species who feel the need to steal another species milk and drink it. why do you think cow milk has vitamines added to it? its one of the most brilliant marketing schemes in history - selling milk as "healthy".

p.s - did that guy before me actually suggest a link between homosexuality and vegetarians? wow. we have some real neandrathals here.

Wow i've never heard such nonsense. Firstly there have been experiments where cows are given control of a lever. When they want to be milked they press the lever, guess what? They do it whenever they get full because it's painful to have all taht milk there. Doesn't sound cruel to me, sounds like kindness.

We are far from being the only animal. Ants milk aphids for honeydew, did you know that? Look it up, ants are like farmers. They wil take an aphid, run up a plant, stick it under a leaf and wait for the sweet honeydew to drop out.

Erm my milk doesn't haev anything added to it, oh but erm i don't use cow milk because the research suggess it's hard to break down compared to goats milk for example.

There and back again

Well after so much talk of the original table not having an omnivore category and making it biased (which it was). I took it upon myself to make a new table, it isn't perfect graphically but it demonstrates my point that we are omnivores by evolutionary terms. If you thin otherwise then you are denying science, if you don't eat meat it's a moral choice, and a choice is upport fully.

However don't come here claiming that humans wern't designed to eat meat when science contradicts you in every way. Just because you don't like meat eaters, please don't bend the facts. Omnivore table below, due to it's size you'll have to click the link sorry.


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[edit on 16-6-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Originally posted by tasteslikethunder
actually extracting milk does hurt the animal. thats why there is such a high amount of blood and puss found in milk.

You only get stained milk when massive machines are used to extract it. You can milk by hand and not worry about that.

FYI, Stained milk is what is used when making chocolate/ coffee and strawberry milk. The added color and flavor makes the taste of blood and puss unnoticeable.

what do you think is in human milk may i ask??, is it really that bad? ask any lactating woman and get your answers from her !!

WEE MAD MENTAL

FYI, Stained milk is what is used when making chocolate/ coffee and strawberry milk. The added color and flavor makes the taste of blood and puss unnoticeable.

The Majority of milk is PASTURISED, puss and blood are removed, destroyed before human consumption

Wee Mad Mental

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Our bodies weren't meant to digest lactose in the quantities supplied by large animals. We dont need that much milk fat, and our bodies often reject it.

Originally posted by Faaipdeoiad
hmm i also like the way vegan/veggie argue 'they havent gotten ill since becoming a vegan/veggie' now im sorry but thats just an epic fail! i eat meat and i rarely get ill and when i do it's not major! so that throws that out the window! infact my entire family rarely get ill and none are veggie/vegan, so i put it down to good genetics and exercise!

With my experience, the reason vegan/veggies are so quick to say that they have rarely been sick is because they are constantly asked by individuals that eat meat, if they are sick all the time.
I assure you that is the question i am asked most. For some reason many people seem to think that there are magic properties in meat that help to prevent illness. Most meats are high in protein, iron and zinc. Thats about it and by the way all of those can be obtained by a balanced vegan/veggie diet. Legumes (nuts, seeds, beans) can provide everything and more than meat.

do you get B12 from nuts ?, what suppliments do you ingest to keep you healthy ??

Wee Mad Mental

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I think your wrong on milk. I don't see how that could be so. And I don't think they add many vitamins into it. You do realize that then you would be contradicting yourself? It comes from plants, as that's what cows eat. If there wasn't alot of nutrients and vitamins within milk, then that would mean plants do not have them and your entire argument made obsolete.

Also, It's simply tricking the biological clock. The mother thinks her calf is still drinking, and so continues to make milk. Same with humans.


Oh, and indeed we are the only species that seeks to get other species' milk.

But then again, we're scavengers. It's what made us great. It's what makes humanity strong: our ability to eat anything.

Right now there're humans in Africa living off the mud. That's how awesome our scavenging skill are.

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[edit on 16-6-2008 by Gorman91]

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Originally posted by iamcamouflage
I assure you that is the question i am asked most. For some reason many people seem to think that there are magic properties in meat that help to prevent illness. Most meats are high in protein, iron and zinc. Thats about it and by the way all of those can be obtained by a balanced vegan/veggie diet. Legumes (nuts, seeds, beans) can provide everything and more than meat.

However vegans are moe prone to anemia, even long term experienced vegans. They are also prone to B12 deficieny. I agree a vegan diet can provide everything needed to stay alive, however i also argue it does not provide everything for optimum performance of the human body.

I will again bring up the Mr.Universe competition or the worlds strongest man competition. As far as i'm aware, neither of these events has been won by a person who was a vegetarian or vegan at the time. It's just not possible to gain all you need for such strenuous activity at that level.

Revised chart from OP's post

Again i'm jsut throwing this up into the thread as it took a whlie for me to alter it. Take a look at the new omnivore section, proves that we are omnivores.

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[edit on 16-6-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

The original argument proposed in this thread is invalid, even if it is true!

In the end, it doesn't matter whether we are natural omnivores, herbivores, or carnivores. It doesn't matter because we have free will and the intelligence to implement it. By nature, it's our choice to do what we want, regardless of whether or not it's good for us.

For example: Humans don't need to swim to survive. We haven't evolved to be water creatures. Does that mean we shouldn't have swimming pools, or use boats? Ridiculous! So you see, there are many examples of things our body is not designed to do. We are fortunate enough to have the intelligence to find ways to do it anyways!

Regardless of whether you think our bodies are evolved (or designed) to eat meat, you can't deny that our makeup grants us the ability to make decisions outside the realm of what abilities we were naturally born with.

This entire thread is invalidated by the fact that as humans, we are unique in our ability to have intelligent thoughts and make informed decisions on how to live our lives. Some of you can make the choice not to hurt animals. Some of you can make the choice not to eat animals. Intelligence gives you the ability to find ways to supplement meat in your diets.

The rest of us also have the intelligence to decide NOT to do those things. This intelligence gives us something special: Free will. Unlike other animals, which must rely on instinct to determine their actions, we have the ability to say "Today, I want a cheese burger."

Tooth structure and physical makeup are rendered irrelevant by two features we possess which other animals do not: Free will, and the intelligence to implement it. Unique among the animal kingdom, we are given a choice to decide what foods we wish to live off of.

Regardless of what our bodies are built to do, we are given the ability to ignore that design and take a path of our choosing. This is a priceless trait (or gift, depending on your belief,) which was not acquired by any other species, and it would be an act in defiance of nature itself (or God, if that's your belief) to attempt to suppress that trait in somebody else by telling them what they can and cannot eat.

It's because of all that, that this thread and its arguments, and all others like it, are absolutely nullified.

Veggie Thumpers, let other people choose their own diets. Animal Killers, let them think what they want about what we "should" be eating (after all, we know the truth!)

[edit on 16-6-2008 by mattifikation]

Originally posted by mlmijyd

Originally posted by Johnmike

Originally posted by mlmijyd
What total ignorant rubbish! B12 can be got from anything with yeast and also your body can produce it naturally. It takes minute amounts and it is stored. My two sons oldest is 9 has a vegan diet and he lacks nothing but they had the benefit of only breast milk up to ages 3 and 4.

So you're raising your sons to have an idiotic diet too? Congratulations, you're a bad parent!

Okay, Doctor, maybe you need to do some reading to cure your sad case of ignorance. I don't normally like linking to websites, but this is veganhealth.org, and it explains what you need to know perfectly.

www.veganhealth.org...


Now, let's talk about your disgusting ignorance and how it may impact your role as a parent, shall we?

THE HUMAN BODY CANNOT SYNTHESIZE VITAMIN B12. The very fact that you said this shows just how pathetically ignorant you are to nutrition, your diet, and the health of your sons. Your sources of Vitamin B12 are: Dairy, eggs, and meat. Period. Otherwise, you need supplements. Natural yeasts do not contain B12, unless they are fortified, which makes them unnatural yeasts. Vitamin B12 is essential for the functioning of every cell in your body.

I truly hope that you're not letting how completely oblivious you are influence the health of your children.

[edit on 15-6-2008 by Johnmike]

What insular ignorant dribble you do post and it smacks of typical defensive denial of the facts. So you too can have a read this is only one of many.

Vegan's and B12

Let me guess you probably would argue for being allowed to have guns also?

you do realize that in that article it states that the child had a type of rickets caused by a lack of vitamin D. The main source of vitamin D is from the sun. So unless this child was also kept away from the sun, I'm not sure how there was a vitamin D deficiency. And one case is not proof of anything. This child could have had a chronic condition or genetic disorder.

Hey, some of us aren't out door types! hehe.


But that other guy is right. people have a choice. if they want to deprive their body of one thing, so be it.

As for me, I shall enjoy my Buffalo and Potatoes with ketchup tonight. The perfect meal.

Originally posted by mattifikation

The original argument proposed in this thread is invalid, even if it is true!

In the end, it doesn't matter whether we are natural omnivores, herbivores, or carnivores. It doesn't matter because we have free will and the intelligence to implement it. By nature, it's our choice to do what we want, regardless of whether or not it's good for us.

Again i will state you are using a moral arguement to a scientific question. Please go and invent a new thread if you want to talk about the morals of meat eating. Much more of this moral stuff and i'll have to go because this was a scientific question.

Are we built to eat meat? Either by evolution or god. - That is the question, answer it with science and not your moral position.

Originally posted by mattifikation

This entire thread is invalidated by the fact that as humans, we are unique in our ability to have intelligent thoughts and make informed decisions on how to live our lives. Some of you can make the choice not to hurt animals. Some of you can make the choice not to eat animals. Intelligence gives you the ability to find ways to supplement meat in your diets.

The thread isn't invalidated, the questionw as asked and in your headline you seem to have answered it begrudgingly. We are omnivores, we are made to eat meat. Yay finally we get the scientific truth!

Now whether we shoudl eat meat morally is for another thread because that was not the question. If you can't see that and keep bringing up the moral position i think it shows you just want to force your views on everyone, at every opportunity.

pff, Morals are just chemicals telling you what is right.

if a lion eats meat, then I have no issue.

As I said earlier, we are the product of crossbreeding between proto-human species. From Neanderthals to who knows.

Its seems there are a lot of stereotypical bone cruncher replies here._javascript:icon('')
_javascript:icon('') Why is it that people that eat meat always get so defensive? It doesn't take much research to discover that laying off meat is actually healthier, and as for the evolution argument.....(Yawn!)...even that is subject to doubt as in recent times more researchers are finding anomalies that unfortunately don't fit into the convenient "Evolution" box!