More secret files found on train

Originally posted by Ste2652
From the reports in the media it seems that the leaks have come from the Cabinet Office in this case, not MI5/MI6/GCHQ/any of the other intelligence agencies. The question is: is this aimed against Brown, or the UK in general?

We are talking names of police, agents, ministers and operational locations being made public. With that information, it does include government policy on national security. Its not a set of leaks, but a smear campaign against the government and the security forces.

You have to be pretty high up to access some of this information, very classified information. As I confirmed earlier, some are seeing this as a direct attack on the administration.

Originally posted by infinite

The FATF was established by the 1989 G7 summit in Paris to spearhead efforts to counter the use of the international financial system by criminals.

It has since expanded to 34 members.

On Monday the FATF conference starts. It will be discussing terrorism. Linked to the G7. All names, agenda and any other information about the conference has been deliberately made public (it seems).

Any terrorist organisation would, excuse the pun, kill for this information. If a domestic group had access to this information then they now know the UK security details, the system and individuals in charge of each operation.

A nations defence is being used against it

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How many "drops" does it take to make a "Leak"?


It has been pointed out that no one likely to have "mistakenly" left these highly sensitve documents on a train would have ever been given access to said documents.

Therefore, one can conclude that whoever left these documents behind, did so on purpose. And we can conclude that such a person is some one fully cognizant of the potential consquences of his/her actions.

The circumstances of these incidents initially lead me to belive that we were the errent witnesses to, what I believe in the intelligence trades is refered to as a "Blind Drop": money, or other items of interest, are left by an operative at an agreed upon location at an agreed upon time. Later, another operative, or an otherwise innocent third party "cut-out" retrieves the deposited item, sometimes passing it on to its ultimate receipient.


The fact that the first batch of documents were "intercepted" by a civilian and susequently turned over to the press, Could have merely serendipedous. "

However, the fact that Additional and Timely! documents have subsequently, and independently, been found leads me to believe that this is most definetely NOT the work of a "terrorist"turn-coat.

A would be terrorist-ally/oganization would NEVER risk discovery by repeating its mistake in this way.

This may well be the work of a True Patriot!


Some who is desparately trying to draw our attention to these events and the participants and agendas to be discussed.


Remember my UK cousins, it was not too long ago that a Russian ex-pat died on your shores, the victum of radiation poisoning. The instrument of his death, Polonium-210, can, and has been used in the construction of nuclear weapons.

Your intelligence services contend that he was the victim of a Russian assination plot. The Russians deny the allegation.

Some contend that his death was the result of an accidental exposure; perhaps stemming from his involvement with the construction of a nuclear device in the UK.


Considering the present civil and economic turmoil embracing the world, considering the resources constructing a nuclear WMD in Britian would require, and who might profit, financially and politically, from such an attempt...


Well, perhaps we should be very wary for the next few weeks?

reply to post by Bhadhidar

This may well be the work of a True Patriot!

That gets a star from me.

Hm, Gordon Brown getting undermined by a shadowy entity hiding behind obsidian curtains? Not the most outrageous thing I've ever heard. Is it Tony Blair? GIVE ME MONEY!

Originally posted by Dillons
reply to post by Bhadhidar

 

This may well be the work of a True Patriot!

That gets a star from me.

Bull. No-one does anything unless it heightens their own social status. Patriotism is a cloak for charlatans to hide in when they overplay their hands. Wilson is a great example of how if the Secret services don't approve of the said prime minister, they will make moves to make sure they'll bury him.

reply to post by MacDonagh

Bull. No-one does anything unless it heightens their own social status. Patriotism is a cloak for charlatans to hide in when they overplay their hands.

Mmmm, I hope your not judging everyone on your own standards.
I`m sure you did not mean everyone....just politicians etc....I believe most but not all.

They should have just handed over the files to the proper terrorist.At least it wouldn't be this embarrassing.

reply to post by Dillons


Everyone is crooked. How do you think they get so far?

Integrity doesn't exist in anyone these days. It's all about the will to power. Everyone answers to it, and no-one isn't prey to it's charm.

Originally posted by Bhadhidar
This may well be the work of a True Patriot!

I do not understand how you conclude this is down to a "patriot" leaking sensitive information that has put many lives and the nations national security at risk?

A patriot would not hand over all UK secrets on combating terrorism, drug trafficking and operational details

reply to post by MacDonagh

Everyone is crooked. How do you think they get so far?

Integrity doesn't exist in anyone these days. It's all about the will to power. Everyone answers to it, and no-one isn't prey to it's charm.

Getting in a position of power may require those values you describe but, there are a great many people that have shown great courage and sacrifice to serve a greater good and promote peace......Einstein, Gandhi, William Wilberforce, Ron Paul heck even Jesus Christ if thats your bag (feel free to remove or add your own saints).
Anyway, I`m not interested in debating the virtues of the above people except to say, there are very many unsung hero`s too, past and present.

As for ordinary folk, I have Integrity, I am not looking for power and could`nt care less about money.
I assume there are others like me either in power or powerless, I tend to see the world from my own perspective don`t you?.
Or are you the very things you hate.....you do not make any sense to me sorry.

All I can say is, don`t loose hope MacDonagh, because lets all hope your wrong.

reply to post by infinite


So, how would you expose a government that controlled everything even drug trafficking, false flags a blatant attempts to rule without fair elections through the EU and UN.....not to mention building a Nazi style environment were they hide it all in the name of National Security.
Its quite clear the people of this country do not want what they are pedaling.

How would you stop this juggernaut and not have blood on your hands I wonder?

I am serious, if you can tell me a way thats not messy I will change my view.

Originally posted by Dillons
reply to post by infinite

 

So, how would you expose a government that controlled everything even drug trafficking, false flags a blatant attempts to rule without fair elections through the EU and UN.....not to mention building a Nazi style environment were they hide it all in the name of National Security.
Its quite clear the people of this country do not want what they are pedaling.

How would you stop this juggernaut and not have blood on your hands I wonder?

I am serious, if you can tell me a way thats not messy I will change my view.

Because I, like most sane people, do not think everything in the world is a conspiracy. I do not jump to wild conclusions without finding the facts out for myself. The fact you believe national socialism is occuring in the United Kingdom suggests to me you do not know the meaning of nazism or its doctrine.

When I first joined ATS, I use to hold some wild theories like you, but after careful research and investigation (speaking to people in the know) 95% of what I believed was BS.

Politicans are very incompetent people.


[edit on 15-6-2008 by infinite]

more to the story breaking, via the Daily Mail

And on Wednesday deputy chief constable of Avon and Somerset, Rob Beckley, who has access to counter-terrorist intelligence, had his laptop stolen from his car outside Central London's Marylebone station.

Not sure if the Mail was implying a possible link, but it is worrying the amount of counter-terrorism intelligence going missing.

Story Contin.

reply to post by infinite


You assume I have not researched.
I was told about 911 false flag about 5 years ago and was horrified some people thought like this.....I am a true Brit.....love my country and its values.
I remember being quite rude to them, they said I should find out for myself.

As I am a qualified construction engineer which includes skills in structural analysis I decided to show them they were talking c**p.
Unfortunately, I found the opposite.

This lead me to other research from banking to the history of war to the human brain to UFO`s to earthquakes and ended up on me doing an Open University degree in Geoscience.....I live for research it seems.

Now, I do not believe we are national socialists (whatever that is supposed to be....it contradicts itself) but, I do believe you are loosing your vote.....I do believe they plan to chip you and your children...I do believe they are manufacturing fear, are you not worried?

History shows the money men control us and our politicians including both sides of most wars.....national socialism like communism are both inventions by these people to serve themselves.
I am not on my own in this belief, actually I am in good company.

Please do not assume all are ignorant except you.
I continue to have an open mind as I know, I do not now it all.
I wish I was wrong, but when I see Innocent civilians killed, maimed, tortured, bombed by our side with no thought.....why would they care for me or you.

If there is something I`m missing then tell me.

I`m still waiting for your bloodless solution.

reply to post by infinite


Hmm, I didn't realise the documents were from the Joint Intelligence Committee.

For those who don't know, the JIC is a group of top level politicians, intelligence directors, officials from certain government departments (e.g. HM Treasury, Ministry of Defence, Foreign Office) and the Prime Minister's foreign policy adviser. The JIC is part of the Cabinet Office, where the leak was reported from.

It seems that the document in question was also accessible by the members of the AUSCANZUKUS Agreement, in which nations of the Anglosphere agreed to cooperate on intelligence and security matters. Hence, it is possible that the effects of this leak stretch further than just the UK; possibly into Canada/Australia/New Zealand/the United States too.

is there some one in the gorverment trying tell to us some-thing?
i mean are these files being 'lost' of purpose? mybe there are people who are trying to tell the public some-thing.

reply to post by rikgrimsby


I truly hope so.
Thats exactly my thought too.

I do hope its not another attempt to justify the war on terror.

reply to post by bodrul

Now i know why they banned drinking on trains over there. Might stop all those Govt. pi$$ pots from leaving their homework behind.

Originally posted by Dillons
Now, I do not believe we are national socialists (whatever that is supposed to be....it contradicts itself) but, I do believe you are loosing your vote.....I do believe they plan to chip you and your children...I do believe they are manufacturing fear, are you not worried?

No, cause its not happening and I do not spend my time believing every conspiracy theory that ends up on the internet.

I know people in and around Westminster and I have sources who can confirm much of the information being reported.

You fail to understand (or ignore) one simple fact about this case

This leak has risked the lives of governments officials and agents. Your theory falls to bits. How can it be a government conspiracy when the government itself is at risk? Dan Tanna has confirmed it too. The security service itself is damaged. Why are you being blind?

This is not information about bringing in a police state, which you seem to think, this is about how the government protects you and me. Nothing suspicious.

And I am really confused how you believe this involves losing your vote and being micro-chipped the information being leaked is nothing to do with that.

Once you've learned the true meaning of false flag/state terrorism (without the aid of Alex Jones) then come back and talk to me about it. At the moment, you are taking generic conspiracies and applying them to an irrelvent subject.

reply to post by Ste2652


As I said earlier, this is no idiot civil servant. The picture was taken from the first set of files, second lot are not the top classification, but close enough.

I do know a lot more about the case, but I would only post it if the subject was moved to RATS.


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