Japanese invent car that runs on water

reply to post by Rumrunner


There is plenty of water here on earth.
Just look at the pacific ocean.

Not only is this probably real, as I've seen enough water cars popup on the news only to vanish later to realise there is a definate trend, but it could probably be adapted to combustion engines too.

From what I've seen there seems to be low electrical power ways to seperate water into HHO gas, which can be used for combustion. So, with a cheapish kit it should be possible to convert normal cars to run on a hydrogen oxygen gas mix, which is extremely powerfull, easily more powerfull than gasoline. This would allow most of the cars on the road to be converted cheaply.

People need to start applying pressure to companies to get this tech out, or they will try and keep us tied down to oil as much as possible.

A water electricity hybrid is probably the best sort of car I could ever imagine

Hold on to your water drinking dud-automobile people. This is a HOAX.

The 'news' or rather hoax was erroneously inflateda and confabulated brainlessly by Reuters, seemingly without criticism or at least second opinion and devoid of 8th grade level science research.

Googling the company name produces a lot of hits reporting the same story

This article adds this bit of information: techon.nikkeibp.co.jp...

Quote:

The basic power generation mechanism of the new system is similar to that of a normal fuel cell, which uses hydrogen as a fuel. According to Genepax, the main feature of the new system is that it uses the company's membrane electrode assembly (MEA), which contains a material capable of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen through a chemical reaction.

Though the company did not reveal the details, it "succeeded in adopting a well-known process to produce hydrogen from water to the MEA," said Hirasawa Kiyoshi, the company's president. This process is allegedly similar to the mechanism that produces hydrogen by a reaction of metal hydride and water. But compared with the existing method, the new process is expected to produce hydrogen from water for longer time, the company said.

I have no belief that these random Asian guys just overthrew 200 years of chemistry and physics. From closer inspection there is a metal in the membrane that reacts with the water, producing hydrogen. Of course, once the membrane is all reacted, that's the end of your hydrogen. This is not a water powered car. And you would be replacing it over and over again like condoms and the cost would be more than the cost of runnning on gas.

You people have been had!!!! Ahahahah!

IT'S A HOAAAAXXXXXX!!!!! HOOOOAAAAXXXXX!!!!! HOOOOOAAXXXX!!!!

Nyeeee nyeee nyeeeeeeehhhhhh!!!

I think this HOAX has been blown out of proportion like a hydrogen tank about to explode because like ALL woo woo believers of faith, they only need parrot like rantings of their peers as proof!





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It is nice to see that other companies around the world take R&D of this technology seriously and that improvements are being made. competition usually has a positive effect on the end product.

3M seem to be making progress with MEA material and catalyst assembly.

A research team led by 3M is developing high-performance fuel cell cathodes (catalyst and support) based on 3M’s nanostructured thin film (NSTF) catalyst technology platform. A membrane electrode assembly (MEA) featuring one formulation of an NSTF catalyst has operated for more than 7,300 hours, significantly exceeding the Department of Energy 2015 target of 5,000 hours (equivalent to about 150,000 miles).

Source

150.000 miles I wonder how long a catalytic convertor we use to clean up a normal combustion engines exhaust products normally lasts.

A little more abou 3M's targets :

Future work on this project is focused on three main areas:

Mass activity gain. The team will continue to fabricate and test new catalyst compositions, structures and processes for a specific activity gain of 2x over current NSTF baseline, targeting no loss of durability under most severe accelerated test. The best resulting candidates will be moved to 50 cm sized electrodes.

The team is also seeking to achieve a more than 100% gain in catalyst surface area over the current NSTF baseline without loss of specific activity or durability.

Durability improvement. Reduce by 50% any losses in surface area, activity or mass transport over-potential.

Water management improvement. The team is seeking to deliver more effective liquid water transport at low temperatures without compromising high-temperature performance under dry conditions.

edit to add targets

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As a retired fuel systems Engineer at GM I'll say that yesa it will work but will never happen in the US because of lawyers. We have many techonoliges that replace oil but lawyers will never let them into production for many many reasons. Hydrogen for one you will never see in your automobile because of storage problems and it's hazzardous by products. Yes water once thru the system will be controlled by the EPA so what do you do with it??

mikell

double post

[edit on 16/6/08 by FatherLukeDuke]

[edit on 16/6/08 by FatherLukeDuke]

Originally posted by mikellmikell
As a retired fuel systems Engineer at GM

Yeah, sure.

Guys, anyone who thinks water is a fuel, please write this out 1 billion times:

WATER IS TOO HYDROGEN AS ASH IS TO WOOD
WATER IS TOO HYDROGEN AS ASH IS TO WOOD
WATER IS TOO HYDROGEN AS ASH IS TO WOOD
WATER IS TOO HYDROGEN AS ASH IS TO WOOD
WATER IS TOO HYDROGEN AS ASH IS TO WOOD

etc

Then the next time someone comes up with a water powered car you will remember.

Originally posted by mikellmikell
As a retired fuel systems Engineer at GM I'll say that yesa it will work but will never happen in the US because of lawyers. We have many techonoliges that replace oil but lawyers will never let them into production for many many reasons. Hydrogen for one you will never see in your automobile because of storage problems and it's hazzardous by products. Yes water once thru the system will be controlled by the EPA so what do you do with it??

mikell

Wow, you sure know what you are talking about *NOT*!

So you say we will never see Hydrogen in our car.

Yet Honda just rolled out it's zero-emission hydrogen car TODAY!

Perhaps you should read the recent news prior to posting something that is patently false.

reply to post by Quazga


if only i had movie star status and lived in california near a hydrogen fill station----i see honda decides who is a fit "parent" for 1 of these new cars-- so the rest of us normal folks don't stand a chance of leasing 1 for a long time yet---i wonder if the leasing only policy is a way of getting around the lawyers interference of "free" commerce?

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
Guys, anyone who thinks water is a fuel, please write this out 1 billion times:

WATER IS TOO HYDROGEN AS ASH IS TO WOOD
WATER IS TOO HYDROGEN AS ASH IS TO WOOD

What the hell??

Talk about bass-ackwards logic.....

i wonder how well these fuel cells or any water powered car will work in a cold climate say like in canada or russia in winter temperatures that can be -30 fahrenheit for weeks sometimes ?

perhaps water powered/fuel cell cars are just for hot climates only?
put up on blocks for winter and drive in summer ?

reply to post by yahn goodey

Good question. Hadn't thought of that. I would think some anti-freeze could be added to keep the water from freezing as long as it didn't interfere with the separation process. You might also need a heater to keep the exhaust from plugging up.

reply to post by Lizard1


Knives and forks springs to mind....

But the Asian people, I think, are out of the "NWO" loop as it where, so if anything is going to change humanity for the better, it's likely to come from over that way.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
Guys, anyone who thinks water is a fuel, please write this out 1 billion times:

WATER IS TOO HYDROGEN AS ASH IS TO WOOD
WATER IS TOO HYDROGEN AS ASH IS TO WOOD

What the hell??

Talk about bass-ackwards logic.....

No, it isn't.

Water is at a lower energy state than hydrogen - it's effectively "burnt" hydrogen. That's why hydrogen is a fuel and water isn't.

reply to post by Macrotus


What an ignorant post. it just highlights the fact you have not read a single word anyone has said on the matter.

If you actually took the time to read up on fuel cell technology, you'd realise what an ass you just made yourself out to be.

I and others have provided links and given detailed explanations of how these things work. There are many types of fuel cell, most of which rely on a catalyst to separate the hydrogen from the water or otherwise derive energy from such a fuel source.

These are REAL technologies, being developed by such companies as Siemens, Suzuki, Honda et al and in Universities around the world.

It's you who has been had, apparently by your own ignorance.

reply to post by Macrotus


Not to say you are wrong, your opinion is as valuable as mine is. However, this technology does in fact work, and many are using it today, myself included. Hydrogen on demand is the science, and fuel cell are for people who are to lazy to build a system. Dig a little further before calling something a hoax, please

reply to post by Macrotus


People like you make obeying the courtesy rule on ATS very dificult, as your posts are obviously biased and following either the agenda of your own personal ignorance or the agenda of someone above you economically. The time where people like you could influence events is coming to an end, get used to it.

The technology is here, NOW. The Honda FCX clarity is on trial in california. It uses a hydrogen fuel cell to power an electric motor, enough power for a a few houses actually. How do you make hydrogen? With solar powered cells. Even if it takes more power than you get out, since the power is essentially free apart from infrastructure cost it is already viable and could basically replace the oil industry now, from a technological pov.

And that isn't even the right way to do it, AllisOne's post further back gave a theoretical insight at how water powered on demand hydrogen is possible. We could replace oil in a couple of years with conversion kits, probably running off the car's existing battery. I am sure of it. And even if I'm wrong you can't shoot down the tech which is already here.

You live in a universe where energy becomes matter, not the other way around. God gave us all a free lunch, if we choose to eat it. It's the devil that want's us to pay, and then tip his horny ass.

So, if you can pull away from your state sponsored ignorance and stop being a tool, perhaps you can help the rest of us usher in an economy of prosperity and peace from mankind.

Otherwise just stfu. Please.

I am always amazed at the folks who jump right out of the gate and state "it will never work!!" . I guess you would rather spend your life and your paycheck buying gas. Go nuts Oh briliant one. It is possible that there is still some things left to learn about science and technology. You don't know everything quite yet. Don't travel too far in that boat as you might fall off the end of the flat world. Oh wait, it is round. Try this for a while, close mouth, open ears, listen with mind. There, now wasn't that easy.

reply to post by sty


You can just use the English website version... not translated with google
www.genepax.co.jp...

edit: Doesn't have translated schematics as such though... damn.

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