Old World Secrets the Omega Project Codes

reply to post by ThatDGgirl


Hello fellow astrologer !!!
It's good to have someone around who can relate to the astrology stuff, it's a very difficult understanding to get across to someone who doesn't "speak the lingo". I too was blown away by what I saw with the Astrology for that day , it's quite astounding isn't it. I also realized today how it would be impacting my own chart...I have a pentagram shape on my chart , the 5 pointed star... it is made up of 3 intertwining yods ....this has it's apex in a Venus (6 degrees) -Neptune (10 degrees) conjunction is Sagg 12th house. On 21 Dec 2012 the YOD with its apex in Jupiter 8.54 degrees Gemini on that day will be "activating" my entire pentagram figure !!!! Amazing !!!

Even more spooky was something about the pentagram I discovered today...
as you will likely know, the pentagram perfectly divides the zodiac wheel by 5 and each of it's "legs" is at a 72 angle. (the quintile)
72x5 = 360
72x360 =25,920= THE PLATONIC YEAR or one complete circuit of the precission of the equinoxes.
In other words, the Pentagram is directly associated with the great cycle that comes to it's end on 21 Dec 2012 !!!

The Pentagram and the Platonic Year

for many years I've had only a superficial understanding of what this unusual pattern on my chart means, but through my studies these past few days it now makes enormous sense for me . The pentagram is also a symbol for the connection between the earth/man and heaven/the stars...it is a metaphor for how we are tied to the planets and influenced by them. Isn't it curious how I have this pattern on my chart and now understand the great significance of the impending 2012 shift. I am feeling more than ever the stars are our prophets, so perhaps the pentagram is also the ability to understand the prophecy...a sort of gateway to the truth !! I can't describe how the past few days have been making me feel and shift inside..it's like a door has been opened and everything is getting clearer. There's more to learn yet but it's like having ones 3rd eye open or something, that's the only way I can describe it

Sorry to wax on but I don't know a single other Astrologer so have no-one to get excited with about everything I've seen Astrology wise and this pentagram symbol !!! Considering the way it activates my chart on that special day, I am spooked in regard to all this talk of 2012 bringing a raising of consciousness etc....I just hope it is that which occurs to me as opposed to me falling victim to ELF mind control and going ga-ga over the Maitreya LOL

Interestingly, Carl Jung the famous psychoanalyst also had this pattern on his chart. I am going to look into him soon, I recall something about his research into kabbalah, mysticism, the tarot and so on.....the kabbalistic tree of life is directly tied into the grand galactic cosmic cross on 21 dec 2012 . I wonder if Jung had considered 2012 at all ?

Anyway, it's nice to meet you

reply to post by cosmicpixie
Jews are Jews because the prophecy was never fulfilled as it was supposed to have been. Therefore many of the people who accepted Jesus did so on the promise of death if they did not. All I am saying is it is possible they sent someone in and it is possible they did not. Either way you and I both know it is just going to cause more problems for the world. I am by no way saying this guy wont be the new messiah.





[edit on 13-10-2008 by Brandon Levon]

reply to post by cosmicpixie
Also I use the term flood because that is what most people think of as happened in the bible but in the original texts it actually says the earth split apart and was on fire things like that. Makes me think more of a pole shift due to the way the earth would be unbalanced if it was tilted in any direction making it shake as an unbalanced tire would sending water over land that was dry and emerging land from where there was once water. Just to describe the least the skies would be black and filled with ash and gaseous air so thick it would be unlikely that any of us would be able to survive unless we had been expecting it.

Originally posted by cosmicpixie
reply to post by ThatDGgirl

 

Even more spooky was something about the pentagram I discovered today...
as you will likely know, the pentagram perfectly divides the zodiac wheel by 5 and each of it's "legs" is at a 72 angle. (the quintile)
72x5 = 360
72x360 =25,920= THE PLATONIC YEAR or one complete circuit of the precission of the equinoxes.
In other words, the Pentagram is directly associated with the great cycle that comes to it's end on 21 Dec 2012 !!!


That is flat astonishing! Honestly, I've never paid much attention to the "reptiles" which is how I jokingly refer to those odd angles. Now that see reptiles in print it's givin me a BIGASS case of the heebie jeebies!
All the angles that are "tiles" are considered magical somehow. I have a good astro friend who is incredibly well versed in the "tiles" and I'll check it with him too.

I think your "translation" of astro to English is fabulous! You have a gift!! Rock on baby! You did a great job with it. But the whole thing about the Yods was what gave me the chills! I think, subconsciously, I've deliberately avoided looking at the chart for that date. I just wasn't ready for it. But now, there is WAAAAYYY too much synchronicity flowing so I must inspect it in my own chart now. I find it rather amusing that I'm in the throes of a TR PL opp NA VE right now. (Apologies to other posters. She knows what this means)

Be well Pixie! Feel free to U2U for astrochat when you feel the urge. We'll swap info privately and see what the chart hookups are between us. You KNOW they'll be there! LOL!!! The Universe works in simply amazing ways!
...........There's more to learn yet but it's like having ones 3rd eye open or something, that's the only way I can describe it Agreed! I feel like I'm on this wild rollercoaster, but really I'm just sitting at my kitchen counter on my pc, but I'm learning AMAZING things! If this book is even half of what I've gotten out of half of this thread, I'll be thrilled. The sad part is (sorry to be maudlin) I know I'll be leaving behind people that I love. They just don't "get it". It makes me cry, but there is nothing I can do. I've tried to the nth degree to wake them......to no avail.

Sorry to wax on but I don't know a single other Astrologer so have no-one to get excited with about everything I've seen Astrology wise and this pentagram symbol !!! Considering the way it activates my chart on that special day, I am spooked in regard to all this talk of 2012 bringing a raising of consciousness etc


Don't be spooked....be EXCITED! You're moving forward!
....I just hope it is that which occurs to me as opposed to me falling victim to ELF mind control and going ga-ga over the Maitreya LOL

We'll have to have the Maitreya convo another time! And ELF......don't even get me started!!! I've been having some EXTREMELY strange experiences lately that I think are ELF related, but that another convo for another time.



Anyway, it's nice to meet you

The pleasure is all mine Pixie! Looking forward to more chats!

Be well!! DG

PS Any screw ups in postings...apologies now. Still learning the ropes here.

I see the screw ups, but I don't know how to fix em! SORRY!

reply to post by cosmicpixie

Even more spooky was something about the pentagram I discovered today...
as you will likely know, the pentagram perfectly divides the zodiac wheel by 5 and each of it's "legs" is at a 72 angle. (the quintile)
72x5 = 360
72x360 =25,920= THE PLATONIC YEAR or one complete circuit of the precission of the equinoxes.
In other words, the Pentagram is directly associated with the great cycle that comes to it's end on 21 Dec 2012 !!!

Even more interesting is something I recently discovered called the MandelBrot Set!!!!

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

Have you guys watched the trailer or perhaps the full length version of Richard Hoaglands "The Joshua Tree 2012" He seems to be pointing out that the planet Niburu is a black hole. A cosmic shift from the fourth density into the fifth.

hmm... if I get the chance I'll have to try, find it, and read it.

If its enough to where it's that dramatic, and I've never heard of it, then it's got to be something right?

Thanks for the info.

reply to post by cosmicpixie
You seem to have a very good understanding of the importance of numbers, the way you are putting them together shows you are of a very high intelligence. Astrology and numbers are some of the main things held sacred to the freemasons because of the link to the origin of our existence. Kind of like the link 12.21.12 just posted in the sense that it is thought all problems of the universe are not only connected but can be solved mathematically. People who can see these numbers as puzzles and try to break them down as you do are of great importance to solving these mysteries and some of the things that you have worked on here I think are in no way coincidental and have been known by them from the very beginning.

reply to post by 12.21.12
That is something I have thought of before but usually when I get into thought like that I end up with nothing as if I may have created the thought that made you type what you did simply because you are an illusion to satisfy my reality so to speak. All in all I prefer not to enter at the present time.

And no I have not seen the Hoagland video of this, I will have to look for it because of the information about the black whole. This is also what I believe to be of great importance to what is going to happen with the black whole of the Milky Way.

Originally posted by Brandon Levon
reply to post by cosmicpixie

 

Jews are Jews because the prophecy was never fulfilled as it was supposed to have been. Therefore many of the people who accepted Jesus did so on the promise of death if they did not. All I am saying is it is possible they sent someone in and it is possible they did not. Either way you and I both know it is just going to cause more problems for the world. I am by no way saying this guy wont be the new messiah.
[edit on 13-10-2008 by Brandon Levon]

Or they simple misread the prophecy. How many Christians today expect Jesus to return on a physical white horse? Where as I personally believe it is more of a consciousness thing, where he returns within humanity - IE: The truth becomes exposed.

It would be wise in your posts to separate those 2 I think. Can't just focus on the false idols, and what the worshipers of false idols do/say.

If you notice with the story of Moses bringing down the 10 commandments, the people were worshiping a statue of a bull, which was a false idol. I see many times this is attributed to simply the coming of a new age. However, given the way religion is in the current day and age(or end of), I think it was more that they were worshiping the symbol, rather than the teachings.

That's what we see with Christianity today. You can't really argue that Jesus was wrong in what he said, aka the teachings. But you can easily point out how it's been turned into worshiping the cross, and how those who wave that cross are able to get people to do the opposite of what is said. When you point out the evils that have been done, I generally agree with you. The astrological stuff is also interesting, it was what drew me back towards the bible after understanding the personal connection.

But it really bugs me that you don't make the distinctions between the 2.

reply to post by badmedia


You must be talking about this guy here.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Yup! Thats our guy!

Behold...A Pale Horse!!!!!!!!!

[edit on 14-10-2008 by 12.21.12]

Oops! I almost forgot to post his mark....
The mark of the Beast!

www.princeofwales.gov.uk...

reply to post by badmedia


there's no doubt Jesus was a very wise soul, and perhaps in a metaphorical sense, yes, the raising of consciousness was what he envisaged, a time when man's mind was set free to to the truth. Jesus would have known about the age of aquarius in the future, the grand 260,000 cycle and what this meant for man's evolution.
On this thread we are working towards that very concept (finding the truths) . There is a wealth of excellent research now to support that Jesus was a man, not a supernatural being (you really ought to read "Jesus the man," by Barbara Thiering. She also reached the same conclusion other have, that the bible was written on two levels, with metaphors and symbols being used to appear as literal facts when actually there was a deeper, hidden meaning behind them which was alluding to much of what was going on at the time in politics, religion, social structure and so on. The use of metaphors and stories was a clever way to build a religion around this person, they were not literalisms.

Brandon is also spot on with the sun-worship thing going on at the time - the birth, death and resurrection story was merely an analogy of the movements of the sun over the course of the day. Birth, death and resurrection stories were common for millenia before Christ, and just like christ, many of these people has 12 disciples, were botn to a "virgin", etc etc....but there is even ANOTHER layer to these concepts when you read Thiering....the bible is mult layered, with meanings with in meanings all cleverly presented to create a savoiur-based religion .....the Romans realized creating one religion would make it easier to control the people, it's no accident that a select group at the council of Nicea decided what books made it to the bible and what did not.

have you seen the zetigeist movie exposing the roots of christianity? V. interesting, though I tend to disagree Jesus never even existed, as there is some evidence to suggest he did.

At the end of the day, what jesus taught was nothing others before or after him haven't , its just he got more exposure !!

[edit on 14/10/08 by cosmicpixie]

The following was copied and pasted from my original post located here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Queen Elizabeth II has announced that she was pregnant at 82. Surfacing in the news on July 23, 2008.

www.theonion.com...

The British monarch and her consort, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, 87, confirmed rumors Tuesday that the queen recently entered her second trimester, and that a little Baron or Baroness of Renfrew is on the way. England's royal couple, who were married in 1947, said they were "absolutely delighted" to be having their first child in more than four decades.

Or could it be that Princess Diana is still alive and was exiled from the Royal Family to mask her identity as the mother of her child the same way Jesus Christ was exiled from Egypt so that he would not succeed as King but as the new Messiah of "The Holy Roman Empire"?

I think this is a very likely scenario because the World has become very aware of the Roman Catholic Church and the Royal Bloodline of the Queen.

In order to mask their identity they would conceal the life of Princess Diana as described in the book of Revelations.

So in order to do this they would fake the death of Princess Diana, while she gives birth and in order to establish a New Roman Empire under the Illusion that the Holy Roman Empire had been destroyed. Ruled by the same bloodline, however they would make it seem as if it was not the same empire by doing this.

Rev 12

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

Rev 12:7 ¶ And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
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Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 12:13 ¶ And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

...and Bingo!!!
The new messiah, born of a virgin on December 25th!!!!

Maybe I am way out of line here but this makes sense.

In fact it makes way too much sense now, it is scary!

But like GW said, "Fool me once, shame on you. But fool me twice, then...."

I guess you really can't teach an old dog new tricks, so instead it will continue trying the same old tricks, over and over again....!

reply to post by 12.21.12


I don't mean to sound rude but what you have just posted is a plot that sounds utterly preposterous !! Sorry 12-21 but I think you are letting your imagination run away, it's quite obvious the queen was never pregnant and Diana is dead and gone. There may well be a conpiracy about HOW she died but I think that's where it ends !! Anyway, isn't that a whole other subject really........

reply to post by cosmicpixie


Preposterous indeed! However. There has been much speculation into Hitlers death. Looking further into this, there have been clues and hints that perhaps his death was staged and Hitler got away, as did all the other Nazi War criminals who later became AMERICAN CITIZENS!

The Onion is not a great source, however I don't often times seem to think that articles of that nature are made for no reason. There is always some shred of truth associated with the extraordinary claims that are made in the media. Often times it is created for this very reason. To distract readers away because the idea of the Queen being pregnant at 82 is in fact preposterous!

Think about it, it is an (almost) perfect way to cover up a personal life that is very much in the public eye. Maybe they didn't want Diana there, in the public eye.

Sorry, but same goes for Diana as is the way I feel about Hitler. If you are going to take the notion that the media reports that she was in fact killed in the accident then fine, but the fact remains that without presenting an actual corpse or some sort of forensic evidence it is more than likely a cover up!

Originally posted by Brandon Levon
reply to post by cosmicpixie

 

You seem to have a very good understanding of the importance of numbers, the way you are putting them together shows you are of a very high intelligence. Astrology and numbers are some of the main things held sacred to the freemasons because of the link to the origin of our existence. Kind of like the link 12.21.12 just posted in the sense that it is thought all problems of the universe are not only connected but can be solved mathematically. People who can see these numbers as puzzles and try to break them down as you do are of great importance to solving these mysteries and some of the things that you have worked on here I think are in no way coincidental and have been known by them from the very beginning.

Astrology is like another language to be honest, it does allow you to see the world in a different way. I don't have any special insight into numbers that I am aware of, I'm sort of learning really but perhaps Astrology has helped me to intuit the relationships more as Astrology does have a strong mathematical component. My studies these past few days have unlocked a deeper awareness of the significance Astrology has, it is indeed the Ankh, or key, to so much.

Talking of numbers, if you assign the value of 1 to letter A, 2 to letter B, 3 to letter C and so on.....the letters NEW WORLD ORDER equate to the number 12. Then if you consider that "new world order" is a concept and its manifestation is "globalalism" or "unification", you see how the "12" creates an extra "1" so we have 12 = 1=13

Just like how the disciples (12) and Jesus (1)=13
Just how the 12 signs (12) plus the missing sign Ophiuchus (1) =13
Or how the months of the year (12) create the year (1) =13
Or how the 66 bible books (6+6=12) create the bible (1) =13

Is it a coincidence that Ophiuchus , so called 13th sign , is actually the 10th sign in the planetary zodiac and Aquarius is actually the 13 th sign.....Aquarius being the age ushered in after the precession of the equinoxes has gone FULL CIRCUIT ("Completion") after 26,000 years....
So then we have the number 13 in effect being associated with the idea of man's evolution, his spiralling upwards to a new cycle.....

here we have the idea then that the "12" is a kind of "circuit" that has a separate "level" created BY it , making 13 .....think of the base of the pyramid (13 levels) and the capstone FLOATING ABOVE it.....is this floating capstone symbolic of the awareness of the separate circuit of segregated parts (12) and the wholeness of 1 =13 and the capstone is then the "illumination" of all ....a 14th level, 1=4=5 ="MASTERY OVER REALITY" ?

the separate "level" is the higher awareness ....the deeper knowledge or the "container of all"

Think of a year...a year (representingWHOLENESS or one-ness) is the "container" of 12 months (SEPARATNESS)...the 12 separate months create a "wholeness" or "integration" of separate parts

Similarly the bible is the "wholeness" of the number 12 (66 books, 6+6=12), it can be seen as a "stand alone " entity (the number 1) or the sum of it's 12 parts.....SO THE WHOLE (1) PLUS THE SEPARATE PARTS (12) CREATE 13.........

The idea of "separateness" and "wholeness" are actually INTERTWINED....we start reaching some interesting ideas then when we think of how the dark forces have used religion to make man think he is somehow SEPARATE from this concept called "God"....when really we are ONE AND THE SAME but if we realized that we would see we are EQUAL to "god" and there would be nothing to worship/separate ourselves out from and so NO POWER SYSTEM OF CONTROL !!!

They want the knowledge of our equality to the "divine" /cosmic source to be kept hidden....adding another dimension to the pyramid/separate capstone symbol....their SECRET knowledge (13, Capstone, understnading of one-ness and wholeness) is separated out of the base (the masses) and through this is their POWER

Do you know if you add 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13 it equals 91 and that 9+1 then equals 10 and then 1+0 = "1", the very symbol understood to represent one-ness, whole-ness- all knowledge etc.....these people KNOW all the secrets, all the knowledge "1" represents but do not wish to SHARE it

Now bear all this in mind when you consider how Aquarius is the 13th sign in galactic astrology...this shifting of humanity into the 13th concept is a FANTASTIC thing for humanity as will help us to UNDERSTAND ALL THAT HAS BEEN HIDDEN FOR SO LONG.....Remember, Aquarius , ruled by Uranus is all about FREEDOM and man can only be FREE from slavery via TRUTH....which over the age of Aquarius we shall find, even if we first have to go through a period of further slavery via their one world system and any new religion they build...there IS hope, maybe not for this generation so much as the ones to come over the next couple of thousand years Brandon

Also bear in mind that the PENTAGRAM, being the golden ratio is a geometric circuit representing WHOLENESS and this symbol is directly tied in with the complete circuit of the precession of the equinoxes after 26,000 years in 21 Dec 2012 and the 13 th sign....are you seeing a pattern now ? The new age is mans chance to understand what "they" have hidden from us for millenia. FREEDOM and SELF RULE and SELF DETERMINATION are Aquariun concepts we will be working with in the new age. This sign sits right opposite LEO in the zodiac and leo is ruled by the SUN, symbol of SELF, SOURCE, ONE-NESS, SELF AWARENESS and the sun is at the CENTRE of the galaxy. Leo also governs the concept of the EGO (misabuse of power arises from imbalanced ego) and of being ruled, specifically through royal (leo) bloodlines....can you see now how we will be fighting against the bloodlines that created us thousands of years ago and trying to liberate ourselves from their grip....?

It is no mystery now why these dark forces that seek control USE the pentagram so much in their buildings, occult work and so on as they KNOW what is is associated with ....they don't want US to know as to know is to present their power with a real challenge. (URANUS -AQUARIUS opposing LEO -SUN ).

I could fo on but am running out of space, hope this is all making some sense!




[edit on 14/10/08 by cosmicpixie]

[edit on 14/10/08 by cosmicpixi

[edit on 14/10/08 by cosmicpixie]

Originally posted by cosmicpixie
there's no doubt Jesus was a very wise soul, and perhaps in a metaphorical sense, yes, the raising of consciousness was what he envisaged, a time when man's mind was set free to to the truth. Jesus would have known about the age of aquarius in the future, the grand 260,000 cycle and what this meant for man's evolution.
On this thread we are working towards that very concept (finding the truths) . There is a wealth of excellent research now to support that Jesus was a man, not a supernatural being (you really ought to read "Jesus the man," by Barbara Thiering. She also reached the same conclusion other have, that the bible was written on two levels, with metaphors and symbols being used to appear as literal facts when actually there was a deeper, hidden meaning behind them which was alluding to much of what was going on at the time in politics, religion, social structure and so on. The use of metaphors and stories was a clever way to build a religion around this person, they were not literalisms.

It wouldn't matter to me if Jesus was a totally fictional character. That has nothing at all to do with my beliefs. The religion built around it is a false idol. It's the truth that sets you free, not the worship of an image. That symbolism was put into place and the powers of the time made idol worship the way - through force(catholic church) doesn't actually change the philosophy. The very bad things that are said about what religion has done is exactly the things Jesus was against.

Brandon is also spot on with the sun-worship thing going on at the time - the birth, death and resurrection story was merely an analogy of the movements of the sun over the course of the day. Birth, death and resurrection stories were common for millenia before Christ, and just like christ, many of these people has 12 disciples, were botn to a "virgin", etc etc....but there is even ANOTHER layer to these concepts when you read Thiering....the bible is mult layered, with meanings with in meanings all cleverly presented to create a savoiur-based religion .....the Romans realized creating one religion would make it easier to control the people, it's no accident that a select group at the council of Nicea decided what books made it to the bible and what did not.

have you seen the zetigeist movie exposing the roots of christianity? V. interesting, though I tend to disagree Jesus never even existed, as there is some evidence to suggest he did.

At the end of the day, what jesus taught was nothing others before or after him haven't , its just he got more exposure !!

[edit on 14/10/08 by cosmicpixie]

Typical. Bunch me up with the rest of the uneducated false idol worshipers. Exactly what I'm talking about. You just can't seem to separate the religion from the philosophy. It's always "oh it's just to control you". Not even close. The truth sets you free, it doesn't control you. The false idol that you must worship and pay tribute to, that is what controls people.

Yes I've seen that movie. In fact, the parts that you say "expose" it, is what made me understand. I'm aware of the astrology, the sun worship and all that other stuff. Quit assuming I'm some jesus freak christian.

Guess it's kinda pointless trying to talk to people who want to know, rather than those who want to understand.

reply to post by badmedia


I didn't mean to cause you any offense, your original post did not make your stance on these issues clear and so my reply was based upon only seeing part of where you were coming from. The stuff I said about Thiering and the sun worship was not just intended for you either, i put it in that post to put the idea across to others who might be reading it. I am therefore not "typical" or shortsighted here, you just didn't explain your views enough so I misunderstood you.
No -one on this thread is taking away from what Jesus said, his philosophy but they are universal truths not known only to Jesus . I do see the philosophy as something that can be separated from the religion

Originally posted by cosmicpixie
I didn't mean to cause you any offense, your original post did not make your stance on these issues clear and so my reply was based upon only seeing part of where you were coming from. The stuff I said about Thiering and the sun worship was not just intended for you either, i put it in that post to put the idea across to others who might be reading it. I am therefore not "typical" or shortsighted here, you just didn't explain your views enough so I misunderstood you.
No -one on this thread is taking away from what Jesus said, his philosophy but they are universal truths not known only to Jesus . I do see the philosophy as something that can be separated from the religion

The truth is universal. The images and story line changes to meet the culture and times. You can tell the philosophy and such with many stories. I am not someone who thinks only Christians go to heaven or whatever. I don't carry any of the dogmas that come up in those who worship the false idols. When you look at the philosophies of the different cultures, you can see the same basic things. That is what I think is important.

But it seems rather than point that very important fact out, all I see is the outright dismissal of it all. And that bothers me. It seems to me to dismiss it all, or to say it's all just to control is just another form of misleading. And to do it on what the false idol has done, seems to promote the idols. As someone who might be stuck worshiping a false idol will immediately view you as attacking them. At which point, you become the evil for them, they become the evil for you. Or you become the republican to their democrats. Just spinning along the duality wheel.

If you want to free people who are stuck in religious dogma's and false idol worshiping, you can't just outright attack their beliefs. It's not going to work. But if you explain the false idol, and how the teachings were important, they will and do listen. And when they see the truth, then they become free. As long as people stick on the imagery and attack it all, you aren't going to get anywhere.

I first realize what has been done. And that was taking a story(true or false, doesn't matter) that told the truth in philosophy was symbolized and pushed into worship. And by using the image and symbolism people have been manipulated into doing things that go against the philosophy. So to show and explain that is to undo it, and show people the truth.

When I read the story of Jesus, I see quantum physics.


[edit on 14-10-2008 by badmedia]

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Badmedia

Awesome analogy with the Bill Hicks clip. Well done!

I've been reading the exchanges between yourself and Brandon (I'm still behind in the thread, but I HAD to comment on your example.) ....and it seems to me that you guys are playing the apples and oranges game. You both have very valid points, and they seem to be on the same subject, but really, they aren't. IE Two different perspectives/levels of the same subject. I do want to read the book (I ordered it last night) but I really dig where you're coming from too. It seems that Brandon's frustration with you is because he's trying to present the history of the cycle and you're saying the cycle doesn't matter. He sure thinks it does. But there's a world to be said for living in the moment too. You sound like a person of high character and I applaud you for that. But I think alot of the people need to pass thru and experience Brandon's perspective before they can achieve yours. You may be one of the lucky few who got to skip all that crap, unfortunately, I didn't get that particular "fast-pass". So I continue to slog thru the muck. I look forward to reading the book. And yet at the same time, I strive to get where you are. I'm a very emotional person and so does B seem to be. Sometimes it's difficult for emotional people to get where you're coming from. But I keep trying.

Be well and best to you................

And thanks again for the Bill Hicks link. I TOTALLY enjoyed that!