angelic markings

Originally posted by Illahee
Uh oh... I feel a Bible lesson coming on.....

If you contradict it, you're probably right.

Originally posted by Illahee
Hate to be the great spoiler of the angel mark thing, but angels Do Not have wings.

"The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover." - Exodus 25:20

"He placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple, with their wings spread out. The wing of one cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the other touched the other wall, and their wings touched each other in the middle of the room." - 1 Kings 6:27

"Each had four faces and four wings, and under their wings was what looked like the hands of a man." - Ezekiel 10:21

These all 'count' as angels.

There's more, of course.

Originally posted by Illahee
No where in the bible will you find it said even once and in all cases they appeared to others as men as in Lot.

"Then I looked up—and there before me were two women, with the wind in their wings! They had wings like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth."

"Where are they taking the basket?" I asked the angel who was speaking to me."
- Zechariah 5:9-10

Female, angels and had wings.

[edit on 9-6-2008 by saint4God]

Originally posted by Illahee
None of the heavenly beings are marked in any way. only man and those beings cast out dare put marks on their bodies.

"Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God." - Revelation 7:2

Originally posted by Illahee
I must now use my ignore button once more......goodby.

I think I'm next. I noticed those who refuse to engage in civil dialogue use it a lot.

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
Christianity is against worshiping... so my simple question is... why do you worshiping a book?

Christianity isn't against worshiping.

"Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' " - Matthew 4:10

and

"God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." - John 4:24

Although you had some good things to say about a living faith, this is a very important point that we're to adhere to as Christians.

there are no marking - because there are no angels. they are no mor real than leprechauns my friend...

j.

reply to post by saint4God


'cherubim' were statues...with wings.

statues - not angels.

j.

reply to post by saint4God


errmm...nope - it' says nowhere that they were 'angels' - you are purposely misquoting here....

but then, like all your type, this the usual tactic and should come as no great suprise really - the endless, crazy, christian babble continues to marr ATS I see....

J.

[edit on 9-6-2008 by jimbo999]

Originally posted by jimbo999
there are no marking - because there are no angels.

Yes there are. We could both play this silly game but it is a waste of time.

Originally posted by jimbo999
'cherubim' were statues...with wings.

The statues represented cherubims who have wings elsewhere in the Bible. I didn't quote all of them, but feel free to do a search in Biblical text, the living ones have wings too.

Originally posted by saint4God

Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' " - Matthew 4:10

Christianity is against idol worshiping. Worship God and serve him, that's a difference. But Illahee is worshiping a book, an idol and that's a huge difference.

jimbo999. You're saying this, because you never met one. When you will met one, you will change your mind. I was the same. Actually I WAS a Christian. Now, I'm following their beautiful religion. There are more truth, honesty and dignity in it. Finally I found my personal peace in it.

[edit on 9-6-2008 by Dark Crystalline]

Originally posted by jimbo999
errmm...nope - it' says nowhere that they were 'angels' - you are purposely misquoting here....

How is it a misquote? Please explain.

Originally posted by jimbo999
but then, like all your type, this the usual tactic

I care not about tactics.

Originally posted by jimbo999
and should come as no great suprise really - the endless, crazy, christian babble continues to marr ATS I see....

To whom's emotions are you attempted to appeal here? Stick to the topic instead of gunning for contributors.

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
Christianity is against idol worshiping. Worship God and serve him, that's a difference.

Okay, we're in agreement here. It sounded like you said Christianity is against worship (which would include God).

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
But Illahee is worshiping a book, an idol and that's a huge difference.

And you know this...how?

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
jimbo999. You're saying this, because you never met one. When you will met one, you will change your mind. I was the same. Actually I WAS a Christian. Now, I'm following their religion. There are more truth, honesty and dignity in it.

Please explain what their religion is.

reply to post by saint4God

Sorry, but it's not permitted to explain their religion. If I would do that, it would look like as if I would be some sort of self-appointed prophet, or someone who is intend to bring in another religion into the others. I'm not intending to play any of these, plus with this, I can defend their religion from world. Religions are fighting against each other in the name of God. This religion will stay out from this game. It will not play any role in our own foolishness. Maybe that's why they shared this with me. They know that I respect and trust in them more, then in most of my human fellows, they know what my opinion about my current world really is. And they know that I'll never betray their trust. I wanted guidance from them and they, she, my Guardian gave it to me.

It seemed to me that Illahee is rather worshiping a book, because he is simply covering his claiming with the bible. Covering himself, his claiming with the bible is happening only in that case, when someone is worshiping the book itself, not it's essence or the one herself. If he really believes in that what in he believes, he simply would came up with something else, explanations, like as you do. You're a true believer and I respect that. You serve God well, just as I try to help and defend the Guardians.

[edit on 9-6-2008 by Dark Crystalline]

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
Sorry, but it's not permitted to explain their religion.

Ah, it's secret. Nice. I don't recall God ever giving anyone a secret religion.

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
This religion will stay out from this game.

This contradicts what Jesus said about "go and tell the good news". Does it not?

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
You serve God well, just as I try to help and defend the Guardians.

Why are the guardians in need of help and defense?

[edit on 9-6-2008 by saint4God]

reply to post by saint4God

Officially it's not a secret. But telling any good news on this world... For what? Others, whose are blindly following their religion, even some fake ones (i.e. Scientology), they will start to attack it immediately. I'm not willing to see their belief to be ruined by some greedy or arrogant human. The Guardians suffered quite more in the last thousands of years, then you ever could imagine. Like for us, their belief remained their only hope in these days. That's the major problem. They suffered and I'm not willing to take their last hope away to fill the curiosity of humanity. If it's considered as a secret... be it. But in my eyes, it's just rightful defense.

[edit on 9-6-2008 by Dark Crystalline]

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
It's not a secret. But telling any good news on this world... For what?

Jesus explains the reason as well. Does not your guardian believe in Christ?

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
The Guardians suffered quite more in the last thousands of years, then you ever could imagine.

Suffering angels? When and how did that happen? I've read of suffering 'angels', but they were not servants of God.

[edit on 9-6-2008 by saint4God]

reply to post by saint4God

First, an angel doesn’t need to believe in another angel, be it even from the highest circle of their ranks. They don't need proof for their own existence. And yes, they fear, because this, their own belief is the only element what is left for them from their original existence. Nothing else remained for them. We, the great humanity ruined and vanished the rest.

And yes, they're suffering, because of a forgotten past what you don't know, where something happened (Caused by the great humanity as always.), because humanity is treating them as secondary, non-vital background elements, while they're trying to help us wherever they can, because people are believing that they're not even existing, because the great humanity ruined everything what in they helped us to make everything better. Honestly, I'm wondering that after all of this, they're even helping to any of us.

[edit on 9-6-2008 by Dark Crystalline]

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I didn't know angels have fear or forgetfulness of past and need help, too. I feel sad but hopeful somehow. Anyway, I too am still curious about angelic markings. Oh hark!

reply to post by pikypiky

Guarding and guiding is a two way street. Most of the humans are believing that we're getting all the helpful info, guidance from them, while we don't need to give anything to them. We're giving their life to them with our belief, with our acts. If we don't trust in them, don't believing in them, it's over. And now how many are believing in them? Less day by day. What would you do if your existence would count on someone else, even if you're doing your best, helping someone day by day, but that person doesn't even care and believe in you? You would fear too.

[edit on 9-6-2008 by Dark Crystalline]

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
because the great humanity ruined everything

But God seems to love us and hasn't blamed us for ruining everything. We're still here, and He even gave us the opportunity to share heaven with Him. I do recall an event where some jealous angels blamed us for losing their place in heaven, however. Your guardian does not reside in heaven then?