This Is Not A Real Photo Of The Inside Of A Chemtrail Plane Folks

Originally posted by 888LetsRoll

does that make sense...

Yup it does...

and Part 2 could even be in the water. I will have to look for those old 'tales' see what I come up with

And Part 4 is the antidote that only the 'chosen ones' get

Originally posted by Essan
I think that's the whole chemtrail story nicely wrapped up

We agree? ====(sound of falling off chair)=====

Not QUITE wrapped up yet though... seems there are a LOT more things being sprayed into the air... but I am preparing another thread on that as to not confuse the issue... I will have time tomorrow to start it off

Somehow I have the feeling I will have your support on this one

Originally posted by defcon5
Sure they are, but no more so then what your car emits.

Hehe well good we are all on the same page for once...

However the list of chemicals that I have found sprayed for various reasons are certainly not coming from MY car exhaust

But before I go there... I DO have a question for all you 'airplane experts'

While you all harp on my description of a grid pattern that looks like a tic tac toe board... is it normal to have flight paths that look like that.. within minutes of each other? I have seen many maps of air 'highways' and they usually radiate out from a central point (usually an airport )

Kinda like THIS


Airline Route Mapper for over 500 Airlines

I have yet to see an airline map that has the 'tic tac toe' or checker board look...

Perhaps though one of you could show me one... especially for the Las Vegas area that would show flight paths that match what I saw...

Originally posted by firepilotYou thought you could just dismiss me because I do fire flying, but you made the mistake of assuming thats all I do.

No I dismiss you only because you twisted my words...

As I have said I have no preconceived notions of what chemtrails are (yet) as I did not pay any attention to them until I saw 'them' being created... and when my high level contact at Boeing also expressed active interest in them...

Funny then that the OP post just happens to be a Boeing

However I see enough evidence that they may in fact exist... when I conclude my research I will get back to you... but at least do try not to twist my words. I never said silver iodide is layed down in the 'tic tac toe' pattern

And as to your qualifications.. I will take you at your word for it... but DO understand that many on these threads claim to be all sorts of experts... yet present us with no credentials

As to the vatied things attributed to chemtrails... that is quite common when people are faced with something they do not understand and have no way to verify on their own...

Personally between the Reptillian UFO's at one end and Full scale clandestine spraying by the military... I bet the truth is somewhere in the middle...

But I am more interested in HAARP than chemtrails right now... so I will lokk but it won't be high priority unless something 'drops in'

reply to post by zorgon


EDIT: It almost slipped past me, very very clever!!!

"I have yet to see an airline route map with a checkerboard pattern"

OF COURSE not....except, there are MORE than one airline? Ask any of your friends who might happen to be airline pilots, then see what they think.

Zorgon, I've been sitting by, and waiting to see what rabbit you pull out of your many hats.

Z, you are using a 'Star Alliance' (partial) route map, if I may call it 'partial'....of the South Pacific? Toying with us, correct?

If you had bothered to read any number of my previous posts, I have explained, at great length how, for instance, the VOR at Las Vegas, Nevada, is part of quite a few Jet Airways that not only accomodate airliners operating West-to-East but also South-to-North (and vice versa).

But, that's just one VOR...that happens to be along most Flight Plans from, say, LAX to most airports in the NorthEast....or Cleveland, Chicago, Pittsburgh....you name it. Oh, and another main Los Angeles area airport is Ontario....oh, and Burbank....and Santa Ana....and Long Beach!!!

I could look it up, but just as a guess....SAN to SLC, might go near LAS. Air Traffic control can also offer 'direct' routing to avoid doglegs in the planned routes, traffic permitting, to shave off a few miles. Or, name the city pair, you win the prize!!! (hint....look at a Jeppesen HI 1/2)

ALSO, the Dispatchers look at the winds aloft for every flight they plan....roughly two to three hours ahead of scheduled departure time, so LAX-EWR may be planned farther north, on certain days....say, after DAG we go more Northeasterly to EKR, instead of LAS (If I've lost anyone, the VORs....'VHF Omnidirectional Range' NavAids are all designated with a three-digit code. "EKR" is the 'meeker' VOR, in southwest Utah. See, they have three-digit codes, but we sitil use their long names...if there is any doubt, the ATC will read the code phonetically...and we input it into the FMC onboard, where it is stored in a database by its Lat/Long co-ordinates....I knew I'd get off on a tangent, trying to explain too much).

I should get paid for this, dammit!!!



[edit on 6/17/0808 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by weedwhacker Toying with us, correct?

Not at all

I want to see a flight map that accounts for the traffic I saw that day... and have not see the same parallel fights minutes apart on other days at the same time.. simple question really...

As to 'pulling rabbits out of a hat" I have been spending a lot of time in some very deep rabbit holes... and I have not even begun to pull out the REALLY big ones yet...

I first have to evaluate the value of doing so here

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Ummmm....Zorgon, I told you the flight chart that shows the relevant Jet Airways, in the High Sectors. Jeppesen publishes them, as does the US Government....

There are two Charts used in the contingous US....the Jeppesen HI 1/2 and HI 7/8.

There is a major site, called 'Sporty's Pilot Shop' that sells all sorts of aviation related stuff....but you may have to subscribe to Jeppesen to get IFR charts....or, there may be a Government site for free data... Sporty's will sell WACs, but those are low altitude, mostly.....

sigh.....

edit....man that is one big photoshopped?? big bunny!!! Hmmm....good eatin!

[edit on 6/17/0808 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
I told you the flight chart that shows the relevant Jet Airways,

Yup you did and when I have free time I will see if I can match up anything for that day...

BTW did you ever read those two documents and get back to me via U2U... the conditions of the truce?

reply to post by weedwhacker


....FOLLOWing up.....didn't take long, on the google, to find....

skyvector.com Or, google NACO IFR charts, and you'll get the government site.

Even a snapshot should give aviation enthusiasts interest in these concepts a taste of what's involved.

And, as always, 'flightaware'....no Enroute Charts, but the Terminal Procedure Charts....anyone need help with interpretation, ask me, or your nearest airline pilot neighbor/friend.

Enjoy!! Bon apetit!!!

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...Z....off topic, I read them....had some ideas, but still collating. U2U ONLY, though mate!

WW

reply to post by zorgon


One last post, in response to Zorgon's with the 'Star Alliance' route map that happens to be anchored in Auckland, New Zealand.....for some reason.

The 'Star Alliance' includes AirChina, Air New Zealand, Lufthansa, United Airlines....and many others...

A simple wiki search will show you the details, if you care. Also, the IATA (International Air Travel Assoc) uses two-digit codes to denote member airlines. They also assign three-digit codes to the major aerodromes (not to be confused with the ICAO FOUR-digit identifiers used by ATC)

Anyway, that little chart showed ONE aspect of the traffic in the South Pacific....mahalo, by the way, for making me wish I was there....

Don't forget, Qantas has flights that hub out of SYD....not depicted on that pretty chart, now, are they????

BUT, anyway, even though we have an International member audience, we aren't all lucky enough to live in the Southern Hemisphere.........

(minor hint for Zorgon.....can you find Kwajalein on that map???)

wink!

(edit) was for spelling...I try, still make mistakes. eh? herr professor???



[edit on 6/17/0808 by weedwhacker]

Lets have some flights going north south, some going east west, and make it a colder/more humid day then usual up there, add some wind too.

Add some wind what whatever direction, you can easily easy up with lots of those. Remember some place like LA Area, can have multiple VOR stations or other navigational points being used, by traffic in any direction.

There are thousands of flights in areas like that a day. Do you think that air traffic in a place like NY/NJ, or SoCal, or South Florida, is only going to one 1 way North South they go, or 1 way East/West? There are multiple routes.

But yes, I will admit it is easy to dismiss what chemtrail believers say, because its so wildly inaccurate. There are not any reptilian flown UFOs, or Piper Comanches making the sky white, or airliners dumping metal and powder in their engines, and no planes up there spraying AIDS and SARS.

You arent going to find anyone who believes in chemtrails that is knowledgable about aviation, and you arent going to find anyone knowledgable in aviation that believes in chemtrails.

And invariably, every summer, these "chemtrails" drop off, and then every winter, its back to "wow, biggest spray day ever". They just havent gotten the correlation yet.



[edit on 18-6-2008 by firepilot]

And actually I can prove my experience with cloud seeding. Go watch "Playing God with the Weather". You can find it on youtube or bittorrent, also called "the science of superstorms"

Originally posted by firepilot
And actually I can prove my experience with cloud seeding. Go watch "Playing God with the Weather". You can find it on youtube or bittorrent, also called "the science of superstorms"

Hehe no problem on your expertise... but perhaps you could then help me to understand why they might dump liquid nitrogen into the air? for one?

I could look that up but since you are an expert... it seems easier just to ask

But I will look at that video... the "Playing God" part fits well into my other thread idea

Dumping liquid nitrogen? Not sure what that refers to, can you give me a link so I can read what you are talking about?

Cloud seeding will always be argued as to if it is effective or not, or if it is even right to try. I have done with with projects that try and get more rainfall to come out, and others to make more snowpack. And then also some research projects too, to try and statistically quantify if it works.

Both can be tricky, playing around, under and in thunderstorms has rather obvious hazards like turbulence, lightning strikes, damaging hail (I have experienced all of those), and the winter projects you fly in supercooled water, meaning the place will be in icing conditions, and that hazardous too.

Originally posted by firepilot
Dumping liquid nitrogen? Not sure what that refers to,

Interesting...

can you give me a link so I can read what you are talking about?

Yup... but I will wait till tomorrow as its part of my other presentation...

Thanks for the movie link, had not seen that... there are some interesting points in there that are most helpful...

Cloud seeding will always be argued as to if it is effective or not, or if it is even right to try.

Yes like when rain making in one state robs the rain in another state...

Water rights wars of the Old West with a new twist

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Global 2000 - depopulation file

home.iae.nl...

www.CloudsOfSecrecy.com...

RE: legality of governments spraying the skies,

under the UN weather warfare treaty, it actually states that it is illegal for states to spray "other" states, but then that leaves them free to do it LEGALLY, (according to their own twisted sick logic) to their own citizens.

reply to post by Bspiracy


the pic you posted, looks like it's being affected by HAARP or similar

I've seen all kinds of weirdness in the skies since 2003.

My first one was a cross in the sky, like "X" marks the spot!!!!!! near winnetka ,illinois

I've been looking up ever since.