This Is Not A Real Photo Of The Inside Of A Chemtrail Plane Folks

reply to post by zorgon


That's a great link you provided, the reporter, I imagine.....the guy with the red hair....last seen sitting in the left seat of the cockpit.

But for his imaginative prose.....what is your point? Did he not mention it was flight testing for a B777 variation, the B777-300LR?

Also....I have to mention this....even the wonderful B777 will not hold altitude of 40,000 on one engine!!! Not with any payload, at least.

In a two-engine modern commercial airplane, we have a procedure called 'drift-down' in the event of an engine failure. (Or an intentional engine shut-down). The track record of reliability of modern Turbo-Fan engines, especially GE, over years, resulted (after pressure from the engine manufacturer and the airfame manufacturer and the airlines) in the adoption of ETOPS standards.

It started out, first....to extend beyond the old FAA regs of 30 minutes to 60 minutes. Then, it was extended to 120 minutes. Then, to 138 minutes (a compromise to encompass certain routes).

There is a special Dispatch requirement for ETOPS flights. Every time. The 'fuel slip' is looked at closely, and the pilots calculate the uploaded gallons, multiplied by 6.7, to verify the fuel load as seen on the guages. This must match the inbound fuel, as noted by the crew that last flew the airplane. The flight plan in the FMC is checked, and double-checked, by both pilots. Especially the over-water portion, the Lat/Longs are verified by each pilot.

Finally, mechanics MUST 'dripstick' the the fuel tanks. (dripstick is a misnomer, today....they use magnetic floats today).

AND, the MX check all of the tire pressures, and engine consumables (oil quantity, etc) and then SIGN OFF in the A/C logbook verifying that the airplane is ready for ETOPS. (Of course, pilots do a pre-flight as well, so many eyes are checking everything out before departure).

Now.....that was a lot of info, directed mostly at people who have no inside knowledge of how aviation works, but hopefully it was informative.

The nature of writing on the internet reminds me of the saying "A picture is worth a Thousand Words". I could sit down with any of you, and in a few minutes, explain everything I just wrote above.....but it took me about ten minutes to type it in, with typos that I'm sure will show up.

I'd also have the benefit of body language, and even an occasional napkin drawing, to explain this stuff. I do not have that luxury, here.

The more I write, though, the better my skills are honed. So, I welcome this as a learning experience, for me, even as I try to teach you.

Originally posted by interestedalways
I would like to see this plane from the outside.

Your wish is my command..





[edit on 15-6-2008 by zorgon]

Originally posted by weedwhacker

Also....I have to mention this....even the wonderful B777 will not hold altitude of 40,000 on one engine!!! Not with any payload, at least.

My 'point' was agreement with the OP that this airplane with the barrels was NOT a contrail maker

So now you are reversing your tact and debunking the actual info?

Well I have a call into my Boeing contact to get the whole scoop... so stay tuned... but sounds to me like these guys know what they are talking about

Silver iodide is done with grid patterns?

Absolutely not.

I can tell you EXACTLY how it is done, and it has nothing to do with that. Think about it, why would they be seeding open sky, with something meant to insert into clouds of supercooled water?

Its cloud seeding, not blue sky seeding. Nor does it leave trails like that, since the amounts used are so small.

While I do fire flying, I have also done a lot of other kinds too.

[edit on 15-6-2008 by firepilot]

reply to post by zorgon


Ask the FAA ARTCC facilities.

Actually, the website I mentioned has historical data, as well, for about the last two days.....but maybe they have to clear their server space, and don;'t have enough room for more.

Check it out...I know you have a pilot friend who can help you interpret the site....they also have the SIDs, STARs, airport diagrams, etc. Not Jeppesen (since those are copyrighted).....

Originally posted by firepilot
Silver iodide is done with grid patterns?

Never mind you obviously don't read what I say and try to twist things..

I really don't have the time...

reply to post by zorgon


Zorgon, be nice, and please do not twist my words....

Please. You know how some readers will skim past these posts, and not bother to read the full context....so please, please do not try to selectively quote....this is a 'No Spin Zone!'

Thanks.

I will allow al of the intelligent ATS readers to judge for themselves. Just a few minutes of your time, and you'll be able to see how things get 'spun' out of context.

Enjoy!!

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by firepilot
Silver iodide is done with grid patterns?

Never mind you obviously don't read what I say and try to twist things..

I really don't have the time...

ummm????I asked this

"Can you tell us any verified kind of spray ops that did tic tac toes? Like cropdusting, forestry work, etc?"

You replied with this.

Yup I sure can... weather modification using silver iodide, and a few others I will get to in a new thread

I dont think I twisted anything at all. Tell us exactly how silver iodine is done with some kind of tic tac toe and grid patterns.

Originally posted by firepilot

I dont think I twisted anything at all.

Ah! Sorry my mistake... I didn't notice you meant spraying ONLY in that pattern

Tell us exactly how silver iodine is done with some kind of tic tac toe and grid patterns.

Sorry can't do that... If I knew which planes were spraying what in which patterns I would call CNN...

I have no idea what pattern they spray silver iodide in ... I do have a picture of the sprayer though...



Seems these folks are not happy with all the spraying going on either





[edit on 16-6-2008 by zorgon]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
so please, please do not try to selectively quote....

Silly Lemming Quoting the entire post is against T&C and annoying...

Selecting the relevant comment to address is quite valid... I am sure people can read the rest if they choose to

So with that... since I found all relevant data on the plane mentioned by the OP there is no further point to this thread for me...

Hehe just wait till you see my next one... I KNOW your gonna flip yer lid

TTFN

That is a single engine piston powered Piper Comanche. Thats your idea of a chemtrail plane? That plane probably never gets over 8000 MSL during its cloud seeding ops either.

hahahhhhahahahaha

I guarantee you it does not leave any trails across the sky, they do not do anything in grids or "Tic tac toe" patterns. They seed the bases of thunderstorm cells in the early stages, to get silver iodide particles up to where the supercooled water is, to help out with that water turning to ice.

They do not go make some vast trails in blue sky in some grid. It is very specifically targeted, and in very small amounts.

Originally posted by firepilotThats your idea of a chemtrail plane?

Yup I had you figured right... another one who can't seem to understand what I write...

Would you prefer I use 'checker board' as a description rather than 'tic tac toe'?

What I don't get is that some skeptics are so dead set against the possibility of 'chemtrails' yet we know there are literally tons of all kinds of chemicals sprayed into our air daily

And considering the exhaust fumes of military and commercial jets... are these not in fact 'chemtrails' in other words 'trails of chemicals' ?

Or will you argue now that plane exhaust are not chemicals?

Colored smoke left behind jets in an air show are most certainly true chemtrails...

Seeing as we have yet to define exactly WHAT chemical make up constitutes what in most peoples mind IS a chemtrail... I stand by my definition

Case solved! Chemtrails in fact DO exist

That's dumb. Since anything made of chemical elements is by definition made of chemicals, and any chemical that somebody's died from can be called a deadly chemical, we could say that water is a deadly chemical (with some accuracy. you don't want to inhale the stuff in liquid or superheated steam form.), and argue that everybody bathes in deadly chemicals.

It doesn't mean anything though. Semantics are for the bored or incorrect.

Originally posted by zorgon

Case solved! Chemtrails in fact DO exist

Yep, chemtrails are real! They've been produced for decades and, due to ever increasing air traffic, are being produced more and more each year. And - as shown in numerous links I've posted before, there is good, wholly scientific, evidence that chemtrails can also affect the weather, climate and insolation.

We can also prove that chemicals such as silver iodide are deliberately sprayed in the sky (although in this case at low level over/within pre existing clouds and not in a manner visible from the ground)

I think that's the whole chemtrail story nicely wrapped up

Originally posted by zorgon
What I don't get is that some skeptics are so dead set against the possibility of 'chemtrails' yet we know there are literally tons of all kinds of chemicals sprayed into our air daily

And considering the exhaust fumes of military and commercial jets... are these not in fact 'chemtrails' in other words 'trails of chemicals' ?

Or will you argue now that plane exhaust are not chemicals?

Sure they are, but no more so then what your car emits. So I guess that you are responsible yourself for laying down chemtrails, and when you drive with other cars on the road you make grid fashioned chemtrails.
For that matter the sky itself is made of various chemical gases, oxygen, nitrogen, CO2, CO, and many more, so I guess you can say we all live under a chemsky….

[edit on 6/17/2008 by defcon5]

reply to post by Essan


Thanks....if it wasn't so late, I'd try to find where I have actually said.....YES!!!! Modern commercial airliners spray chemtrails. Just as, modern automobiles also spray chemtrails. 'tis true, 'tis true.....these horrible beasties are constantly spraying and polluting our beautiful atmosphere.....all a grand plan to cause pestilence and disease around the world!!!!

(hint).....it's called burning petroleum-based fuel, resulting in unburnt by-products.

Of course, in the early Industrial Age, we had stationery factories to burn coal, and pump the pollution into the air....but they could only go up a few hundred feet. Imagine hw much damage a coal-burning airplane at 35,000 feet could do.....ermmmmm.....ummmm....oh, yeah, airplanes don't burn coal.

Yes!!! That's why we have the automobile and the buses and the trains!!!!

Problem solved!! NOW we can poison the populations of the world, and no one is the wiser!!!!!

Oh....darn....those pesky Environmentalists, they ruin it for all of us.

Of course, the fact that there are photos of WWII Bombers producing contrails back in "gasp" the 1940s!!!! Yup, it started way back then, it did!!! Of course! These Bombers, loaded to the max, with their bombs, had extra room to carry another few thousand pounds of chemicals to 'spray' on the krauts!! Sure makes sense to me!!!!

Why bother with bombs, when you have a 'chemical' that will drift with the wind, has no targeting ability....and likely is diluted if it ever reaches the surface? Yup!! Best idea ever!

Originally posted by BoiseWatcher

That appears to be a distrail to me.
Distrail

Originally posted by BoiseWatcher

That is either a Sundog, Halo, or most likely a Sun Spoke.
Sun Spoke


sorry my friend but your quick to dismiss answers don't fit. first of all show me how these photos are distrails. here is all of the set.














and as far as the sunspoke, sundog, business c'mon man. You can believe what you would like but those that can actually form an opinion on there own rather than digesting someones BS as truth will see that FIRST sundogs and sunspokes and circumhorizontal arcs and hole punch clouds and many many other phenom's used to be rare but know we see all of these things with regualr frequency (at least here in Boise). So tell me are we here in Boise just extra special for seeing all of these phenom's. as for that story on my local news they have already taken it down. but I wish I could have sceengrabbed it they also claim these things are rare occurances, I replied to them with at least half a dozen photos that showed the so-called rare phenom that were all taken in Boise within the last year. Guess the only thing that is rare in my area is someone that is able to think for themselves!

pictures are up on imgbay now I urge you check them all out put them in order from day one and you will see a story and the story happens to be that these planes are not commercial jets and they are not doing nothing. so what are they doing? that is the questions that will be answered with the same canned responnse that you gave me.

bayimg.com...
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I read an article that was based on WWII germ warfare expermentation,
that lead me to believe they have combination bugs..
Part I
Part II
Part III exposures... exposed to only one agent ... nothing would happen.
if 2 or more would develop the desired results...
so Chemtrails ... maybe distributing only one of the components of the desired results...

does that make sense... I re wrote it and re edited it... I understand it..

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by firepilotThats your idea of a chemtrail plane?

Yup I had you figured right... another one who can't seem to understand what I write...

Would you prefer I use 'checker board' as a description rather than 'tic tac toe'?

What I don't get is that some skeptics are so dead set against the possibility of 'chemtrails' yet we know there are literally tons of all kinds of chemicals sprayed into our air daily

And considering the exhaust fumes of military and commercial jets... are these not in fact 'chemtrails' in other words 'trails of chemicals' ?

Or will you argue now that plane exhaust are not chemicals?

Colored smoke left behind jets in an air show are most certainly true chemtrails...

Seeing as we have yet to define exactly WHAT chemical make up constitutes what in most peoples mind IS a chemtrail... I stand by my definition

Case solved! Chemtrails in fact DO exist

Ummm, sorry, but nice try moving the goalposts to redefine chemtrails again. Yes, I realize everyone who believes in chemtrails, has their very own pet theory of it.

But thats exactly why it is so ludicrious, you have ideas about Reptilians flying UFOs, to military projects, to airlines doing it for more money, etc etc etc.

But since there are so many different wacky ideas, that doesnt just mean you can then appropriate contrails as proof of chemtrails. Not one time has anyone ever shown any actual pic of some rigged chemplane (no a cloud seeding single engine Piper is not it), and everytime they do, its always wrong.

I am not just a "skeptic", but more of an expert in cloud seeding. You thought you could just dismiss me because I do fire flying, but you made the mistake of assuming thats all I do. I have flown cloud seeding projects all around the world, and i know at least one person in this thread has actually seen me on tv, or the teli as they call it.