I AM ready for ascension. Are you?

Originally posted by bitbeam
i am ready! (smile) a society based on love and fairness is almost too beatiful to contemplate, add in advanced and peaceful star beings and it starts to sound like nirvana to me! (smile) with the only admission price being selfless love and a willingness to follow God's will in your life it's hard to understand why so many will not make this ascension process...

The main problem is letting go and just letting that love flow within you. Many find unable to do this due to blockages within themselves. If Im feeling tired I can find it hard to let this energy flow in me, negativity can stop it in a big way so maybe its not all that hard to understand why some dont take to it.
I also find that if I question whats happening to me this stops the process dead.
Im glad you feel your ready.

reply to post by Mr Green


Glad to see you posting again. It seems you have come through yet another lesson of awakening, never allow others to question what it is you feel.

No one said ascension was easy.

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"Also, you being female helps understand why you'd trust your intuition (emotions) over your own logic anyday. Thanks for sharing. Females rarely use logic, I'd love to meet one that did. And yes, everything can be explained."

I really dont see how gender has anything to do with ascension. This just clouds the real issues here, yes females will react differently to the symptoms possibly, but no more than two men would also react diffferently to the other. Its a personal journey and we all react differently whether we are male or female.

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you had got the wrong idea about it all.I am a wayshower learn about us. We come to show the truth concerning creation and who or what is GOD.Soon we will be brought before the world to show them who we are and just what it is we plan to accomplish.This is not Nuts and bolts but so far above this world. This is the face of GOD the light of all. Bad guys good guys does not matter it is the state of your light energy...Richard

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Ah, thank you Richard. You've made the most sense so far!

God is everything! Doesn't matter!

Originally posted by Mr Green
May I bring your logical attention to symptom number 3 on this list. Extreme emotional response.

Extreme emotional responses to otherwise normal situations and normal conversations is a psychological problem honey.

So you see Im not off the rails in my response to you in the slightest, Im just going through the natural process of awakening.

Yes you are off the rails.

You made me question the very thing I am and my very belief. Thank you for this, you have made me stronger and more connected than you'll ever know.

I highly doubt you'll ever change. You're stubborn.

I sense an energy from you that is not really how you want to be, believe me energy can be felt by others even when many miles are involved.

Riiiiiiight. I'm exactly where I want to be doing everything that I want to do. Whatever it is you're sensing you're way off about and it certainly isn't me. I'd call this "sensing" another psychological dissorder. No, this isn't the way energy works. I don't believe you because you know little about physics, if truly anything on the matter.

I really have decided I dont care for logic in the slightest, the Universe is not logical, we are not logical beings, if we were we would become robots.

Well that's obvious. You're extremely illogical. Yes we are logical beings and yes the universe is logical. Your world is built on logic. Hello, EARTH to Mr. Green. LOVE IS LOGICAL.

I for one never wish to become a logical being. I love my awakening its the best thing that has ever happened to me, its hard but I would not change it for the world.

You mean you love your ignorance. You know the saying "ignorance is bliss"? In all seriousness it was created for people like me and by people like me to understand people like you and about people like you.

The chakra energies are the energies that keep our universe alive, it is a shame you dont feel them.

Riiiiight. This is again where I ask for proof. But of course! Because the magical unicorn fairy won't reveal its chakra secrets! I must have faith that the energies of the chakras keep the universe alive!

I will not get into any more arguments with you on this thread, if I need to I will for the first time in my ATS time use the ignore button on you.

I'd advise doing so. It'd be for the best of you. My logic and scientific prowl will only further dull your attempts at spreading ignorance through emotional comfort.

You are of a negative force that I don't wish to let into me again, its as if you suck positivity out of people, I wish to keep my positive energy for me its not there to be taken. I freely give it to others all the time but they use it in a loving and positive way.

Riiiight.

I have awakened and NOTHING you will ever say is going to change that in me.

No, you've fallen into an even deeper sleep it appears.

Please do not disrupt this thread again I wish to learn from it, as do many others on ATS. If you feel so strongly against ascension you must start your own anti ascension thread to get your views across.

I'm not anti ascension. In fact I said that I have already ascended and am much higher than you at my level of universal understanding. So again, what are you talking about exactly? This must be you embracing your illogical side again.

Love, light and positivity go out to you.

Yeah right.

[edit on 14-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

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That is your opinion. Mine differs.

MG

Originally posted by Mr Green
That is your opinion. Mine differs.

No, it is your opinion. What I am presenting you with is facts and logic.

It's quite funny to say, and I really did have a good luagh when you said "the energy of the chakras are what keep the universe alive".

And before people invented the idea of "chakras" I guess the universe was just cyrogenically frozen, waiting to be awaken?

This is like Christian theology, or any other theology with a diety or dieties that suddenly pop into existence and rule the world, when you ask them whether people went to heaven or hell before Christianity existed, before there was a "the only light, truth and way" found in Jesus Christ and his Father, they just tell you "everybody got a free ride to heaven", or something else that is completely foul and non-sensical.

I bet you'll reply to me with "well, now that we know about the chakras, it is the energy that keeps the universe alive".

Please Mr. Green. USE YOUR HEAD before you make such statements.

And I'd heftily enjoy hearing you explain how and why the chakras keep the universe alive.

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Whats the point of posting anonymous Richard then giving your name

I know its all about the state of your light energy...what state is yours in? I know god is everything, isnt this what Ive been saying all along pure love for god is all we need yet then Im told its not logical to have love in god.

Techno fan21 has put an excellent description of ascension up on the other thread Ive asked him to post it I found it a really good description.

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Thats your opinion. Mine differs.

Well, ascension only refers to transmitting your concious into a higher state. You don't really lose your physical body, you still keep it. You might have less need for energy, or electricity, but you will use it sometimes, oh, and it won't exactly be "Evolution" either. Just becoming what we were meant to be. After all, Evolution is a purely scientific word, and the Ascension will be the final fusion between Science and Mysticism.

This is technofan21's description, Ive copied it from the other ascension thread (I hope you dont mind) but I just thought it was such a good way of putting it. Yes our concious mind is starting to reach a higher level, many are feeling this yet I dont think we will leave our bodies .

"Just becoming what we were always meant to be"

reply to post by Mr Green


^^ ^^

o·pin·ion
–noun 1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

Opinion

log·ic
1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.
4. reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions:
3. the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch of knowledge or study.

Logic

Acclimate yourself with the difference between the two, ok? I don't have an opinion. I am using your branch of knowledge, hence the chakras, or "spiritual" centers of energy in yoga to explain to you that your opinion and argument about the chakras being the energy that keeps the universe alive to be false and not in line with what Hinduism explains or with what Yoga explains.

A species of asceticism among the Hindoos, which consists in a complete abstraction from all worldly objects, by which the votary expects to obtain union with the universal spirit, and to acquire superhuman faculties.

Yoga

Most Hindus believe that the spirit or soul—the true "self" of every person, called the ātman—is eternal.

You can only get to know your true eternal self through understanding the energy of the universe, that which is eternal. If you do not understand what you are then you can not become associated with Bhanda, Brahma or atman. Where as Samsara is merely explaining the person that you are.

As a person puts on new clothes and discards old and torn clothes,
similarly an embodied soul enters new material bodies, leaving the old bodies.(B.G. 2:22)

Hinduism

The main problem also with this religion (that comes with most all other religions) is that it attempts to disconnect you from the material and physical world and tells you to have faith, or embrace ignorance.

[edit on 15-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by Mr Green
Well, ascension only refers to transmitting your concious into a higher state. You don't really lose your physical body, you still keep it. You might have less need for energy, or electricity, but you will use it sometimes, oh, and it won't exactly be "Evolution" either. Just becoming what we were meant to be. After all, Evolution is a purely scientific word, and the Ascension will be the final fusion between Science and Mysticism.

Well, like I said, if you fall for other people's opinion's based on nothing but their own speculation, then you've proven that you truly do not embrace logic and that you don't deserve to have any form of truth and you never will have any form of truth. You will live by other people's oipinions and your own opinion's. Evolution is also not a purely scientific word. The word evolution was around far before Darwin. As far as needing less energy and less electricity and only using it sometimes, the quote of this poster also shows its lack of scientific knowledge.

As for becoming what we always were, yes. That is what will happen. We will become the ways of universe. However, the universe is logical and wants to be known, it does not want to be called invisible and it does not want to be used as a form of deception. The universe is tangible for a reason.

But Mr. Green. You will continue in your ways regardless of how much logic and fact I present to you because you are illogical and addmitedly so, and you enjoy this state. Au revoir.

[edit on 15-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Im confused what ACTUALLY is your opinion on ascension. You bring my thoughts on it down (I really do feel you have a problem in this area by the way) so please list in points what actually you have ascended to. You say your on some great level far above me that I will never know of, but what this is I have no idea becausue all you do is rant on about logic

So in plain English my thoughts on ascension are:


1) Increase your inner love for god and radiate it out to improve the general well being of Earth and its people.

2) Reject ego, materialism, power , greed.

3) Become more positive in your outlook , reject negativity this does no good .

4) Increase your awarness of the Universe and through increased spirituality this can be done. The Universe is a living being that requires us to connect to it on more levels than we are. We cant just live in it and use it as our energy source we must see it as a life force and respect it.

This is what I think not anyone else, its not copied I do not follow.

So please list what ascension is to you .

Sorry did I miss something? What has yoga and hinduism got to do with me? I follow NO religion at all, I am not a religious person I am a spiritual person so what are these in reference to.

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[edit on 15-6-2008 by Mr Green]

Originally posted by Mr Green
Im confused what ACTUALLY is your opinion on ascension.

It's NOT an opinion. When you speak of ascension you speak of annexing yourself with the universe. The universe is a highly logical Being.

You bring my thoughts on it down (I really do feel you have a problem in this area by the way)

No. I don't do anything to you. You do it to yourself. Will you again ask me what ascension is only for me to come back tomorrow and have you completely deny it and tell me how you like being illogical? How I need to go away and how I am mean? Well boo hoo.

so please list in points what actually you have ascended to. You say your on some great level far above me that I will never know of, but what this is I have no idea becausue all you do is rant on about logic

First off, stop assuming, stop making opinions, stop making presumptions and start learning. Start dealing with fact and allow yourself to be wrong where you are wrong. If you do not do this then you become delusional.

1) Increase your inner love for god and radiate it out to improve the general well being of Earth and its people.

But what is God to you? If it is the same as my God, then yes. I believe in this. Also, love is not only emotional. My God is the universe. If I want to love my God then I have to live for my God. I must connect with my God in all ways possible if I truly want to reach the highest point of unity with it that I can. To connect with my God I must understand it through science, through logic, through emotion, reason, morality. Through doing this I should also learn that I need to take care of my body and my mind. It is what my God would want so that I can better understand it and be at peace with it. My God being the universe makes me also my God, becuse my body is a part of the universe, and my anatomy I can learn about through science. I should learn how to best take care of my body and also physically excercise those things that I learn, and in the process my mind is following suit through learning about my body.

2) Reject ego, materialism, power , greed.

Why would you reject your self importance? You ARE important, VERY important! And everyone and everything else is equally as important. You ARE material. You ARE power and you ARE greed, but focus these things toward positivism. I have a greed for truth and logic, for science and for perfection, for love and for ecstacy (not the drug). Through this I gain the power of knowledge and the power of love (my love is not only emotional).

3) Become more positive in your outlook , reject negativity this does no good.

YES! But be sure that you recognize negativity as negativity and that you're not really pushing the positivity out of your sights just because you're not familiar with it yet. Keep an open mind, but use logic as your guide. This doesn't mean that you have to lose the emotion of feeling great, nor do you have to cease yoga or meditation! Just know what they actually do instead of proclaiming you know what they do and then being shown that you are wrong. Study your yoga, study your chakras, what are they REALLY? What are scientifically? You can STILL feel good, even when you know what is making you feel god and why is it making you feel good. INDULGE.

4) Increase your awarness of the Universe and through increased spirituality this can be done. The Universe is a living being that requires us to connect to it on more levels than we are. We cant just live in it and use it as our energy source we must see it as a life force and respect it.

Correct.

Sorry did I miss something? What has yoga and hinduism got to do with me? I follow NO religion at all, I am not a religious person I am a spiritual person so what are these in reference to.

They are in reference to Chakras, which are related to Yoga, which comes from Hinduism.

[edit on 15-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

27 pages in and not one single post has convinced me that their is any truth at all to this so called 'ascension'.

I'm sick of the way westerners spout off the word 'chakra' like they even have a clue what it means, yet even ten to twenty years ago, nobody had even really heard about them.


Also the idea of rejecting the ego is all fine and dandy in a mountain range in tibet, but you wouldn't last five minutes in the western world.

There is so much bs here it makes me wanna laugh/cry... Like when people say reject negativity and you'll become purer... yeah right.

So the next time a burglar breaks into my house, I should make him a cup of tea? Maybe I should stop being so negative to the trouble makers whop wander the street's at night who wouldn't think twice about stabbing me in the throat and kicking me to death just for looking differently to them.... maybe I should be more positive and buy them all ice cream?

These pseudo-spiritual threads make me sick...

IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND ABANDON YOUR EGO'S GO AND GET A PLANE TICKET TO BURMA AND HELP WITH THE CLEARING UP OF THOSE STARVED CORPSES AND MAYBE HOLD THE HANDS OF A DYING CHILD... instead of spouting such selfish and egotistical crap on here...

The only difference threads like this make, is to form clusters of other idiots who need their ego's stroking by gathering in groups and discussing their lack of ego's.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
I'm sick of the way westerners spout off the word 'chakra' like they even have a clue what it means, yet even ten to twenty years ago, nobody had even really heard about them.

Well, me too. That's what I'm telling them. "Understand what you say and what you do."

Also the idea of rejecting the ego is all fine and dandy in a mountain range in tibet, but you wouldn't last five minutes in the western world.

Well, no one can reject the ego in any way. This logic is inherently false. The ego can only be molded.

There is so much bs here it makes me wanna laugh/cry... Like when people say reject negativity and you'll become purer... yeah right.

I agree, that's why I'm trying to clear things up.

These pseudo-spiritual threads make me sick...

Me too.

IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND ABANDON YOUR EGO'S GO AND GET A PLANE TICKET TO BURMA AND HELP WITH THE CLEARING UP OF THOSE STARVED CORPSES AND MAYBE HOLD THE HANDS OF A DYING CHILD

Been there. Done that. Wasn't Burma though and wasn't a child, though it involved a child and his dying Father.

The only difference threads like this make, is to form clusters of other idiots who need their ego's stroking by gathering in groups and discussing their lack of ego's.

I AGREE! It forms clusters of other idiots who sit around and talk about their idiocy and get off on it. Then someone rational and logical comes along and they all act like they haven't been fed in 10 days and that the rational and logical person is a steaming turkey and they attempt to eat it alive lest they realize that its too hot for their mouths and their teeth too brittle.

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Please rather than quote me and answer me can YOU list in say 4 points what ascension is to you. All Im getting from you is you need to connect to your god in a logical and scientific way to ascend but I still cant see how you are achieving this? Is this done from having a very scientific knowledge of the universe and then putting this into practise?
I dont do yoga, I would like to but dont seem to have the time.

You say you have ascended so what does this mean to you on say a daily basis? How does this fit into your life? How is your life different now from before you ascended? Do you have any plans on how to take your ascension? Can you ascend any more or have you reached the top?

Has your god given you any messages on how to help others? Do you feel more connected to people now, do you feel their pain more? How do you help others now?

I dont claim to know very much about chakras but Im very eager to learn, theres nothing wrong with a western person wanting to discover things the ancients have always known about, we have been asleep for too long, its a shame more of us dont try to discover more.

My reference to materialism was not "material as in matter" it was western materialism of loving money, a need to have the latest TV even though the one we have works fine. This wanting in our society to have everything NOW, no one seems to be happy any more even though they have everything, they still want more. They still spend money they dont have to feed this emptyness in them, they think materialism will fill this gap but I dont think it will.

I know people that change their phone every 6 months, mines 4 years old.
My computer is second hand yet others have to change them every year. This is the materialism I mean.

I can not just up and leave my family to help in a disaster area but I respect the people that do this, honestly I do. I never sell my stuff on ebay I always give it to charity, why people feel the need to make money this way I cant understand I always give my things away. Maybe by just doing these small things I can help in a smaller way to those that give up their time and travel to disaster areas.

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My personal Bible, my personal God. For Mr. Green.

Have a sense of humor, but always be allowing for it to cessate to compensate for the respect of others if they should take offense. Be obsequious to experience. Don't discriminate, do not hold prejudices, don't assume thus don't formulate opinions, don't presume, don't prophecy or claim to be psychic and have premonitions, (be self aware! think before you speak, know what you say and what you do) don't sacrifice truth for emotional comfort whether it be for yourself or others, don't lie thus don't cheat and don't scam, do not deceive through the idea of the invisible and the unknowable, practice self discipline, do not contradict, impliment perfect logic, don't be self conscientiously paranoid, share, worry not about what you want and need, if possible do not procrastinate, do not doubt yourself, listen to existence and allow the objective universe as nature to speak to you, do not dwell in sorrows, do not allow the sorrows of others to get you down, avoid depression at all costs, do not allow other's religious illogicalities to effect you or impede on your endeavors, excercise the mind and the body, indulge in life in these ways, laugh often and much, be calm and content and never become angry, mad, frustrated, impatient or damning, praise the God that is the universe through doing these things, be confident in one's self through these rules. Accept who you are and never forget who you are, yourself is an ever changing and ever growing sponge for the knowledge of truth, this sponge is made from the fabric of emotional love. Accept change always for the better. Sing with the birds and laugh with the swishing of the trees.



For the poster below: You have no idea the things that I have done for people and continue to do.

[edit on 16-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Some of the most cowardly visions Ive ever seen here.

Strong souls came here to de-scend down to earth, not to a-scend, I conden-scend.

Instead of pretending to know the first thing about things, how about lending a helping hand to the world you live in, escapists.