[FARCE]There Is Not Any Phoenix On Mars[FARCE]

Originally posted by Big-Brain
Airplanes do thousand of flights every day.

Delta Clipper made 2 flights.

Pity you don't know when that crash happened, namely being early on in the days of fly by wire.

And by your logic, if I posted an old video of the German failed v2 launches, rockets wouldn't work at all. But oh well.

reply to post by Big-Brain

Airplanes do thousand of flights every day.

Exactley and yet they still crash, especially the prototypes.

Ever thought of how many crashes there were before the Wright brothers and come to that even after.

It is always good to remember that any vtol tested here on earth is working in 6 times the gravity of the moon, if it works here then it has a much better chance of working anywhere with a lot less gravity.

The flying bedsteads had many more flights than 2, and the principle is the same, you are balancing on top of a downward force whether it is being provided by a rocket motor or a jet engine.

Hey look you should get this I have little to zilch scientific knowledge and even I understand what I am saying, which is unusual really.

reply to post by sherpa


Too bad, sherpa...you can preach to the choir, but if none of them can sing, well....you ain't got a choir!

Same with a knucklehead. You can try to show him logic, but he will just throw baloney at you. It's pointless, either way.

Points for trying though....carry on!

oh man is this thread still going?


Please Please Realize

No matter how many facts you have!
No matter how patient you are!
No matter how much overwhelming evidence you have!
No matter how much time you spend reasoning!
No matter if the Phoenix landed on him with reverse thrust technology!

He will just argue from, no facts, no data, no point of reference, no ...

reply to post by SLAYER69


So, SLAYER69....you mean to tell us that some people just argue, for the sake of arguing??

To what purpose??

Originally posted by sherpa
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They really could build VTOL aircraft even in 1953.

Hey, Sherpa, it would be better that you keep on climbing the Himalayas
instead of saying nonsense here.

Only goats can believe this old crock (also called HFC - Horrible Flying Cow) could fly:

www.youtube.com...





[edit on 6-6-2008 by Big-Brain]

Originally posted by Big-Brain
Only goats can believe this old crock (also called HFC - Horrible Flying Cow) could fly:

Why I continue posting on this thread I don't know, but that thing could and did fly. And why don't you prove it couldn't? Your argument is that they didn't have the computing power necessary. Yet you then ignore the success of the Harrier (in military operation, no less) and the JSF.

They used the word 'detection', so anybody would know that they couldn't possibly see the craft land. Their equipment told them the range and they obviously received a signal, at each stage.

The simulations were only added through CGI to show how it landed. They used the same effects when the other probes landed to show the procedure of the landings, but there are no cameras in the area to record from space and on ground the actual landing.


With CGI and their knowledge of the landscape, they were able to give a better visual representation.

I cannot believe this thread is still going. The OP is racking up points for a clean and clear hoax thread.

reply to post by weedwhacker



they need a life?

No I'm sorry
facts, data show me the proof
then I'll join em

reply to post by Big-Brain

Only goats can believe this old crock (also called HFC - Horrible Flying Cow) could fly

Hey, Big-Brain, it is strange you bring up a goat because you remind me of a goatherd in a fable which is short and sweet but very apt.

A GOATHERD had sought to bring back a stray goat to his flock. He whistled and sounded his horn in vain; the straggler paid no attention to the summons. At last the Goatherd threw a stone, and breaking its horn, begged the Goat not to tell his master. The Goat replied, "Why, you silly fellow, the horn will speak though I be silent.

Well Big-Brain it has been fun and I have enjoyed our little exchange but
as much as I dislike quoting other peoples signatures, Springers seems to fit this situtaion like a glove :

"Never argue with a fool he will only bring you down to his level"

This is true because.........

edit sp

[edit on 6-6-2008 by sherpa]

reply to post by Big-Brain



This thread is outrageous, simply from its basis..

NASA is being slammed for providing us a 3D generated repersentation instead of just full 30 minutes of staring at someone in a NASA outfit who is just staring at a monitor and not even talking to the veiwers.

On top of that, that is major stance for faked mission..


Then there is his problem with no test firing of the rockets on earth to help him feel better? "The surface gravity on Mars is only about 38% of the surface gravity on Earth, so if you weigh 100 pounds on Earth, you would weigh only 38 pounds on Mars." Your tests would be epic faliures here on earth anyways, They can work off of caluclations as much as I care ( costs less, just as effecient as we havent been to Mars and are guessing anyways ), this enviorment is not an accurate test..

This thread is worse then the " I AM A EX AREA 51 EMPLOYEE" threads..

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
I cant get this...
After 7 minites of hell to the planet, after the 12 burners
blown dust ext. the lander Phoenix is cleaner as in the clean room on earth.

www.nasa.gov...

Cheerz

:-)

Whos to say that with 38% the gravity on earth, that the dust is going to settle ? To me, the dust is going to shoot up and OUT 62% farther then it would on earth, staying afloat 62% longer then on earth, thus making it the settle raduis of the dust, ALOT farther away then from wher eit was kicked up..

Physics that we are used to using on earth to prove points, doesnt always apply, especially with your point on topic.

[edit on 6-6-2008 by mindping]

Originally posted by mindping
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The surface gravity on Mars is only about 38% of the surface gravity on Earth, so if you weigh 100 pounds on Earth, you would weigh only 38 pounds on Mars." Your tests would be epic faliures here on earth anyways.

It is enough to increase power of rocket engines.

They have spent $420 million and have not tested Phoenix on the earth.

This behavior is not normal. If you don't test your probe before sending it to Mars your mission will be epic failure.

You must test your probe to see if everything works well.

You can't do it using simulators because they use softwares unable to consider all the complicated aspects of a rocket that, instead of running forward, must land slowly going backwards.

If you don't do it, it means you are not able to build such a rocket.

All the probes sent to the Moon or to Mars or to Saturn never went there.

Before we can believe that a probe can land on a planet, we must see it on the earth.

reply to post by Big-Brain


I'm baaaaack!!!

BB WTF is wrong with you ... ppl here showed you 10+ pictures and videos that prove that you're wrong. Simulation software for testing this type of thing is handling better than it would in reality (you can add every problem there could be that you can't get here on earth) and if they were testing their stuff in real life under earth conditions they would need to rebuilt the entire vehicle because of the gravity which would cause different speed and you would need a lot more thrust than just 3x time more. it would be completely different vehicle which WOULD crash under marses conditions. It would behave completely different there than it behaves on earth!!!!!

You didn't present any evidence of your theory and you got 10+ evidences that prove you're wrong ..... you have no chance here ....

[edit on 6-6-2008 by baburak]

Originally posted by baburak
reply to post by Big-Brain

 

ppl here showed you 10+ pictures and videos that prove that you're wrong. Simulation software for testing this type of thing is handling better than it would in reality.

This is a real picture of Phoenix:



Imagine: you put 12 rocket engines under the probe and you will be able to see that it will begin to pitch, roll and yaw in all directions at 360 degrees like this:

www.youtube.com...

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Physics action-reaction vectors stay aligned only in your arithmetic exercize book. In the real world they stay aligned only in statics.









[edit on 6-6-2008 by Big-Brain]

Big Brain, question for you:

Do you not understand, or you are pretending not to, that a bunch of "people" you are talking to are here just to make you topic unfriendly for readers? Their job is to sabotage any real discussion. They are paid for this. Maybe there are not even that many of them, it could be just one, with many pseudonims.

Your opponent, WW has claimed on "Space Exploration" that there are aliens on the Moon, and that is considered scientific...yet your simple, scientifically solid uncovering of obvious fraud - is put here, at "skunk works"?

They are claiming that your topic is wrong, hoax (how can a discussion on a "real" thing be a hoax?), that it belongs here on "skunk works", yet they are diligently coming here and writing ten times as many lines as you do?

This topic is a TYPICAL example of how these "agents" work. They are not too smart, but they are paid well and they will write millions lines a day (even though they think you are are a hoax, crazy etc.).

I mean, I admire you persistence...but what is the point? This site is not obviously not for real discussion, since, as soon as you expose any agency, government etc. REALLY - there are a bunch of methods to eliminate you, and you are experiencing all of them.

So, this is just another place for "sheep", not for real researches.

P.S. For the real guys who may be reading: Yes, it did come to my mind that BB could also be an agent, and that they are all just playing this game in order to catch real fish, like myself. I don't care. I don't think I belong in the group that secret agencies would be interested in. Maybe when the time comes, they will have me in the larger list for the concentration camps, but for now, I am safe.

hahaha .... it would be nice if i got paid for my comments ... ... agents? LMAO you're trying to make one concpiracy theory in the middle of the other. And as much as i would love to get paid for my comments here i have to work like a normal human for living, so ......

[edit on 7-6-2008 by baburak]

Originally posted by mindping
Whos to say that with 38% the gravity on earth, that the dust is going to settle ? To me, the dust is going to shoot up and OUT 62% farther then it would on earth, staying afloat 62% longer then on earth, thus making it the settle raduis of the dust, ALOT farther away then from wher eit was kicked up..

Physics that we are used to using on earth to prove points, doesnt always apply, especially with your point on topic.

[edit on 6-6-2008 by mindping]

Dust stays afloat on Earth because it can hang in the thick atmosphere. The thickness of the atmosphere on Mars is just a tiny fraction of the Earth's. Despite the higher gravity on Earth, dust will settle more slowly than on Mars because it becomes suspended in the Earth's atmosphere.

So you are half right -- on one hand gravity will pull the dust down more slowly on Mars, but the thin atmosphere will allow the dust to stettle more quickly rather than just hang there. The final outcome is that the dust will settle faster on Mars.

That's just like the Moon -- the would settle more slowly in the Moon than it would IN A VACUUM on Earth (6 time slower), but the Earth isn't a vacuum, so dust actually would settle more slowly here -- in spite of the higher gravity. That's why the movies from the moon help prove the landings actaully happen -- because the moon dust acts so weirdly; that's not something you could easily replicate here on Earth.

[edit on 6/7/2008 by Soylent Green Is People]

All the probes sent to the Moon or to Mars or to Saturn never went there.

Well this just shows us that your not speaking from reality!
Saturn? We never even attempted a landing there! We would be crushed from the gravity in a nano second!