Brainless Voters (Obama Sheep)

reply to post by Karlhungis


Yep. Like I said--THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT TPTB WANT...That's why we have had the idiotic, 3-Ring Barnum & Bailey's Circus act with the "debates" which are nothing more than a dog and pony show between which 3 of the "hand-selected" puppets are going to carry on the EXACT SAME AGENDAS that the previous several admins have. We have become "U.S. Incorporated", and these elitists are stunningly effectively ONCE AGAIN manipulating the masses through their propaganda megaphone, the Main Stream Media.

When the entire country is falling into financial ruin and we've got two corporate profiteering wars running simultaniously, and a third one desperately in the works, all the while the gov ignoring all of the little people suffering and protesting like they don't even EXIST, and the media is asking questions about UFO's and Lapel pins, that shows you how pathetic this ENTIRE system has become.

We need to stop playing directly into this game that has worked so brilliantly at keeping us from awakening to the fact that THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE PARTIES, and we need to start FLOODING the MSM outlets with complaints, as well as boycotting them for being COMPLICIT in this f***ing over of this country that keeps continuing by keeping the interests of these billionaire elitists in perpetual motion.

Once this election is over, it will be like these Elitists agenda never missed a beat---The process goes round and round. They've bamboozled us all again. And we fell perfectly right into their propagandistical trap.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


Well said man, I will campaign for you, lol. It would be nice if we could do that but we the little people don't have a voice in the MSM, we stick to forums and youtube videos because they are the most powerful tools we have access to. For some reason people are too lazy to gather and make a difference, I signed up with meetup.com and went to a Ron Paul "rally" and when I got there, there were 3 other people. All we accomplished was looking like weirdos yelling at pedestrians.

While I don't agree entirely with the original post, I have some issues with Obama and his supporters. First, I think that people are latching onto the idea of "change" and "hope" without really looking at what Obama intends to do. Up to this point, he seems to have very little in the way of a plan, which bothers me as a voter, even though it appears that he may be the only choice available to me as someone who wants to end this war. Secondly, his supporters are not sheep, but they treat him as if he is his own one-man boyband. That aggravates me because we are supposed to be informed citizens. I know that, as a country, we are desperate for change, but I just don't think he's the best person for the job because he hasn't proven that the changes he wants to make are feasible.

First of all, this was FOX News, Sean Hannity, and Frank Luntz... a triple punch of the steamiest, most rotten, vomit inducing, wound up and spun pile of garbage that our media has to offer.

Besides, what kind of "accomplishments" were they looking for? That he'd written some piece of legislature that, in all probability, would be pointless or ineffectual anyway? Something that would waste our tax dollars? Or better yet, that he'd co-sponsored some bill that further chipped away at our Constitutional rights and expanded the size and power of the federal government?

Why can't it be a good thing when a Senator or Congressman does nothing, if not decreases the scope of government? ...More government, please! Oh, please tax me more! Yes, we need more laws that encroach on my civil liberties! Pass more laws that look out for and protect the interests of big corporations! Thanks, Big Brother! Where would we be without you passing all this legislature and signing all these bills into law?

And I'm no Obama supporter, but come on... this type of bush-league, yellow-journalism is crap.

Originally posted by TheOracle
Since when sheep lobby for change?

[edit on 31-5-2008 by TheOracle]

you had to edit a one line post? i can see how that improper sentence took alot of thought...

Originally posted by evilod
First of all, this was FOX News, Sean Hannity, and Frank Luntz... a triple punch of the steamiest, most rotten, vomit inducing, wound up and spun pile of garbage that our media has to offer.

So your blaming the news organization for making Obama supporters look like idiots because they couldn't come up with one single accomplishment of Obama's?

I know, it was Fox News' fault that Michelle Obama said that thing about never being proud of her country, or who made Obama say that thing about bitter voters.

Whatever.

reply to post by jamie83


Exactly, how is it Fox's fault that the mass's are uninformed about BO, they atleast try. People seem to have a real chip on their shoulder about Fox news, I guess it's because they largely oppose Obama and that just simply isn't allowed in their world. But Fox didn't make Obama say and do the things that have us questioning him, thank god there are reporters that arn't so afraid of being slammed with these cave men like defenses liberals make throwing around the race card left and right. Some of the things people say about Fox sounds so robotic and scripted, they don't even realize they are being such tools.

Originally posted by 2nd Hand Thoughts
And look how CNN calls Paul's supporters "raucous"...

I accept that term. It's better than being called a Obamatron or a McCainbot ...

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
I am an American and a psychologist.

yeah? I am an American with a degree in psychology also.
Physician - heal thyself.

he will stop the accelerating economic and social decline of our country,

And how is he going to do that considering he is going to PILE ON a huge additional tax burden upon the working class? Every economist will tell ya' - additional taxes HURT the economy, not help.

lead a successful worldwide communal effort that makes major progress in solving the critical problems facing human civilization.

You mean that ADDITIONAL TAX BURDEN that he is going to force Americans to pay - the global poverty tax. This is nothing more than marxist 'redistribution of wealth' and it runs contrary to the very basics of what America is.

Take a good look folks - So he's the savior of human civilization eh?
THIS is the kinda thinking that scares the stuff'n out of everyone.
Obama is corrupt. He lies. He's racist. He has no experience. He's CFR.
And yet his disciples think he's going to save human civillization.

President Obama is the best hope for America and for the future of the planet.

Obammessiah to the rescue, eh? Believe what you wish.
But you'll have buyers remorse in the morning.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act", .

Ya' know he's got 130 + money bundlers of his own.
one story
another story
Just google Obama money bundlers.

Imagine what he'll do as president!

aaaaah man, BH, it's too early in the morning to start that nightmare!



[edit on 6/1/2008 by FlyersFan]

[edit on 6/1/2008 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
This is nothing more than marxist 'redistribution of wealth' and it runs contrary to the very basics of what America is.

Are you implying that America is more of a "survival of the fittest"?

Allowing the poor to starve isn't much better for the economy either. Well, if they all died I guess it would help.. but a little group called the Nazi's thought that was a good idea too. Let's not go down that path.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Obama is corrupt. He lies. He's racist. He has no experience. He's CFR.

Show me a politician that doesn't lie and isn't corrupt. As for the racism, I don't know if I buy that. I won't say he is or isn't, because frankly I haven't looked into it enough. When I have, I'll say what I believe.

CFR? I'll need help with that acronym.

SteveR says:

I do see you stomping around on a daily basis crying that other people don't support your precious Barack Obama. Fanatical relationships like yours are examined in my threads and I understand this irritates you. However all you are doing in your replies is proving how intolerant and desperate you are.

This is what passes for a reasoned criticism of Obama.

"...you're precious Obama..."

Really, that's what SteveR has to offer on the topic. This sounds just like an argument in a junior highschool lunchroom.

As a Chicagoan, I can tell you that Senator Obama's accomplishments are well-known here. After being law-review at the UofC (which would be a major accomplishment in most anyone else's life), he went on to gain a reputation as a dedicated worker for the rights of poor and disenfranchised foks on Chicago's West and South Sides, besides being an extremely popular law prof (a lecturer, actually) at UofC Law.

Admittedly, his time in the Illinois and US Senate have been short, but he's got almost exactly the amount of experience that another Illinois native had when he became president - Abraham Lincoln.

But maybe SteveR doesn't like the way Lincoln's presidency went, either. I get a sense from SteveR's posts that he's not completely comfortable with the whole "end of slavery" thing.

Originally posted by chissler
Are you implying that America is more of a "survival of the fittest"?

America is a democracy and a capitalist society.
We are not a marxist country.
Redistribution of wealth is marxism. Not democracy and not capitalism.
In this country - if you earn it, you keep it (for the most part)
If you earn more, then enjoy what you earn.

As for 'survival of the fittest' - if that were the case then we wouldn't
have all the social programs, entitlements, giveaway programs, welfare,
free public schooling, or the high taxes to pay for them.

We can help Americans through difficult times, but to ask Americans to
support the world and to work and toil for the entire world????? NO!
Let them help themselves or go get their $$$ from OPEC or someother
rich country. Leave us alone.

Allowing the poor to starve ...

America is generous. However, America already gets taxed enough.
MORE than enough. If you earn it, you should be able to keep it.
If Americans WISH to donate to overseas poverty programs, they
already have programs in place that they can do that.

Show me a politician that doesn't lie and isn't corrupt.

Exactly. He's just like the rest.

CFR?

Council Foreign Relations (NWO folks)

Originally posted by vuoto
As a Chicagoan, I can tell you that Senator Obama's accomplishments are well-known here.

Then I'm sure you are aware of the Obama - Rezco connection.
It runs deep and it runs dirty.

he's got almost exactly the amount of experience that another Illinois native had when he became president - Abraham Lincoln.

This is a different world then the one Abraham Lincoln lived in.

I get a sense from SteveR's posts that he's not completely comfortable with the whole "end of slavery" thing.

Brings out the 'you must be racist' card. Typical.

reply to post by SteveR


Ha haaa....most of the money he raised, in contrast to McBush, came from small donations from "people". The other candidate and the Republican got most of theirs from big corporate America...but go ahead and vote big corporate, and keep up the smear posts...we ain't buying this crap anymore.

Obama '08!

Well, I would rather have that idiot Obama, then that evil communist, Hillary Clinton running America. So glad those Bosnian snipers didn't shoot her.

Originally posted by evilod
First of all, this was FOX News, Sean Hannity, and Frank Luntz... a triple punch of the steamiest, most rotten, vomit inducing, wound up and spun pile of garbage that our media has to offer.

Agreed. How dare Fox News and Sean Hannity expect the Obama voters to actually know something substantive about the candidate that they are fawning over. Its obviously all Fox News' fault that those Obama supporters really knew nothing about the guy. Shame on them!

Originally posted by Sheeper People seem to have a real chip on their shoulder about Fox news, I guess it's because they largely oppose Obama

I listen the Hannity on the radio almost everyday during the week. He doesn't so much oppose Obama, he tries desperately to inform his listeners of the facts surrounding Obama. Now it's up to each listener to weigh the facts and determine if those facts are relevant.

What I can't believe is how so many Obama supporters act like such babies. I guess it's no surprise when you see how BO acts like a whiny baby too, like when he had a tantrum over the ads featuring his wife's "for the first time in my life I'm proud of America" comment.

reply to post by SteveR



If I am brainless for not wanting to vote for the same groups of people that have been destroying our country for the past several decades, then I must say that I wouldn't want to be anything but brainless. I am not a huge fan of Obama, but when looking at the alternatives, there is simply no other choice.

Anyone voting for Clinton or McCain is basically saying that they like the condition our country is in and that they do not want change.

If you ask me the brainless are those who keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again. That wouldn't be Obama voters.

[edit on 1-6-2008 by disgustedbyhumanity]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
America is a democracy and a capitalist society.
We are not a marxist country.
Redistribution of wealth is marxism. Not democracy and not capitalism.

I'm not sure if your trying to convince us, or yourself, or whomever. But if you say so, I won't even bother to engage you on this. It is what it is, but for the record.. I disagree.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
In this country - if you earn it, you keep it (for the most part)
If you earn more, then enjoy what you earn.

The equivalent of, "it's my ball and I'm not playing so I'm going home?" It's funny how we try to teach young children idealisms when they are young, but how quick we brush them aside when were older as they suit our own personal agenda.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
We can help Americans through difficult times, but to ask Americans to
support the world and to work and toil for the entire world????? NO!
Let them help themselves or go get their $$$ from OPEC or someother
rich country. Leave us alone.

Leave us alone?

Do you realize how this sounds? Allow me to take a moment right now to be so thankful for being Canadian where we hand over our tax dollars without batting an eye, so that we can fund social programs and we can make sure that the working and unemployed alike can afford their basic necessities and a proper health care. Toil for the entire world? Again, I think your working too had to convince everyone here. If that's your mind set, I won't question it. But again for the record, I could not disagree more.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
America is generous.

And from your post(s), you don't seem very happy about it.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
MORE than enough. If you earn it, you should be able to keep it.
If Americans WISH to donate to overseas poverty programs, they
already have programs in place that they can do that.

Alright, you have said this enough and we get the point. Show me the legislation that Obama is pushing that will have you directly funding the rest of the world. I'm sure your speaking with more than simple conjecture here.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Exactly. He's just like the rest.

Do you speak of the same disdain towards the rest of the candidates? Yes? No? If no, why not?

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Council Foreign Relations (NWO folks)

More conjecture?

Originally posted by jamie83
So your blaming the news organization for making Obama supporters look like idiots because they couldn't come up with one single accomplishment of Obama's?

I know, it was Fox News' fault that Michelle Obama said that thing about never being proud of her country, or who made Obama say that thing about bitter voters.

Whatever.

My point was this, that cramming a group of people into a studio in front of a bunch of bright lights and cameras that have probably zero experience being on live television, and having Frank Luntz put them on the spot, offering them literally 5 seconds to gather their thoughts and form a response, does not prove anything.

Quite simply, this was an effort to paint Obama supporters as mindless zombies, not really to find out what Obama has accomplished as a Senator, which worked quite well, but that is exactly what Frank Luntz is paid to do... steer the direction of a poll or "study group". Fact is, he probably could have gotten the same sorts of responses if they had asked Clinton or McCain supporters the same question. Most Americans don't really follow Congressional resolutions or check to see how candidates voted in the past. Most people are more interested in rhetoric about today's hot topic or the current scandal.

If they really wanted to be straight forward and factual, and not try to sensationalize the issue by parading around and tagging our fellow working class American citizens as nothing more than uneducated morons, than they could point their viewers to, oh my gosh, dare I say it... actual facts and data! Perhaps they could provide the results they find from searching records at GovTrack.us ,which does show that there is, indeed, hardly much legislature of any real substance that Obama has sponsored that has actually been brought to the floor (a resolution condemning violent actions of the Government of Zimbabwe, a resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day", and a resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson). But I was also making the point that I don't necessarily see that as a such a bad thing, due to the fact that I personally feel that, generally speaking, the less government tinkers with things, the better.

But, at any rate, that's the current, sad state of American corporate-media, infotainment. Apparently, political "reporting" can't be done without resorting to presenting someone else's political opinions as flattly irrational or grossly inferior to the reporter's own political bias.

Maybe it's our fault though. Maybe we demand to much entertainment and not enough real, fact-based information. Just give us the sound bites, and demoralize someone while your at it, for our amusement. You'll get higher ratings that way.

And for the record, I'm not aware of what Michelle Obama said about America, or what Obama said about bitter voters. Most likely, knowing how the media works today, whatever was presented was probably taken out of context. I'm inclined to believe it was more political mudslinging than uncovering true un-Americanism.

Either way, I'm not voting for him, I'm not a supporter. I'm just not very fond of how the media handles political matters, making a spectacle of the whole election process, like a soap opera or something. I especially don't like it when they do it at the expense of making the average American look like an idiot.