Brain Implantation..Information is the Modern Day version of Warfare.

Should a Debate between you (MS) and IanMcLean happen in the Debate Forum someday, this would be a good debate topic:

"Hearing Voices is a Psychological or Paranormal Phenomenon vs. Hearing voices is the product of remote mind-control/psychotronic influence".

That would make for one hell of a debate.

I agree. I think we decided on a random topic currently, but I am totally down for pursuing that one with Ian at some point...

Yes, the citation list for that debate would be very interesting. Of course, we'd have to flip a coin to see who would take what side.

Honestly I feel like I have my mouth full right now, though. With my foot or a tasty meal, I don't know.

A point I want to mention: I've enjoyed the honest discussion in this thread, and would like to continue it, as MemoryShock sees fit. But if we're going to debate, in another thread, and assume adversarial positions there, for the sake of format, I wouldn't want that to get mixed in with discussion here.

I dunno if it's possible to do that completely, without even a tinge of motive or subtlety or whatever, but I'll do my best. Just wanted to say that clearly and openly.

Read Brice Taylor's "Thanks For The Memories"..........

Originally posted by Ian McLean
Yes, the citation list for that debate would be very interesting. Of course, we'd have to flip a coin to see who would take what side.

Indeed...

Honestly I feel like I have my mouth full right now, though. With my foot or a tasty meal, I don't know.

You are not the only one...

A point I want to mention: I've enjoyed the honest discussion in this thread, and would like to continue it, as MemoryShock sees fit. But if we're going to debate, in another thread, and assume adversarial positions there, for the sake of format, I wouldn't want that to get mixed in with discussion here.

A great point. The above topic may be better suited for another Fighter in that case.

I dunno if it's possible to do that completely, without even a tinge of motive or subtlety or whatever, but I'll do my best. Just wanted to say that clearly and openly.

I actually am quite surprised and extremely pleased at the level of decorum and rational thought here. Motives are what they are, this is the internet and we all have real lives, but for the most part, let's keep this subject here. I want to add more but am not so much in a hurry to do so. I was able to spill my beans and was recieved in the fashion that I was hoping.

Let's agree, for now, to keep not mix the metaphors, so to speak. That is not to say that I am not open to responding here if someone gets here prior to my next "bug up my bum" but there are a few points of advice that I am currently looking into...as well as juggling "normal life", which I am sure I am not alone with....

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Read Brice Taylor's "Thanks For The Memories"..........

Thanks for the direction...

Microchip Implants, Mind Control, & Cybernetics
By Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde, MD, Former Chief Medical Officer of Finland

In 1948 Norbert Weiner published a book, Cybernetics, defined as a neurological communication and control theory already in use in small circles at that time. Yoneji Masuda, "Father of the Information Society," stated his concern in 1980 that our liberty is threatened Orwellian-style by cybernetic technology totally unknown to most people. This technology links the brains of people via implanted microchips to satellites controlled by ground-based supercomputers.

The first brain implants were surgically inserted in 1974 in the state of Ohio, USA and also in Stockholm, Sweden. Brain electrodes were inserted into the skulls of babies in 1946 without the knowledge of their parents. In the 1950s and 60s, electrical implants were inserted into the brains of animals and humans, especially in the U.S., during research into behavior modification, and brain and body functioning. Mind Control (MC) methods were used in attempts to change human behaviour and attitudes. Influencing brain functions became an important goal of military and intelligence services.

Thirty years ago brain implants showed up in X-rays the size of one centimetre. Subsequent implants shrunk to the size of a grain of rice. They were made of silicon, later still of gallium arsenide. Today they are small enough to be inserted into the neck or back, and also intravenously in different parts of the body during surgical operations, with or without the consent of the subject. It is now almost impossible to detect or remove them.

It is technically possible for every newborn to be injected with a microchip, which could then function to identify the person for the rest of his or her life. Such plans are secretly being discussed in the U.S. without any public airing of the privacy issues involved. In Sweden, Prime Minister Olof Palme gave permission in 1973 to implant prisoners, and Data Inspection's ex-Director General Jan Freese revealed that nursing-home patients were implanted in the mid-1980s. The technology is revealed in the 1972:47 Swedish state report, Statens Officiella Utradninger (SOU).

Implanted human beings can be followed anywhere. Their brain functions can be remotely monitored by supercomputers and even altered through the changing of frequencies. Guinea pigs in secret experiments have included prisoners, soldiers, mental patients, handicapped children, deaf and blind people, homosexuals, single women, the elderly, school children, and any group of people considered "marginal" by the elite experimenters. The published experiences of prisoners in Utah State Prison, for example, are shocking to the conscience.

Today's microchips operate by means of low-frequency radio waves that target them. With the help of satellites, the implanted person can be tracked anywhere on the globe. Such a technique was among a number tested in the Iraq war, according to Dr. Carl Sanders, who invented the intelligence-manned interface (IMI) biotic, which is injected into people. (Earlier during the Vietnam War, soldiers were injected with the Rambo chip, designed to increase adrenaline flow into the bloodstream.) The 20-billion-bit/second supercomputers at the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) could now "see and hear" what soldiers experience in the battlefield with a Remote Monitoring System (RMS).

When a 5-micromillimeter microchip (the diameter of a strand of hair is 50 micromillimeters) is placed into optical nerve of the eye, it draws neuroimpulses from the brain that embody the experiences, smells, sights, and voice of the implanted person. Once transferred and stored in a computer, these neuroimpulses can be projected back to the person's brain via the microchip to be reexperienced. Using a RMS, a land-based computer operator can send
electromagnetic messages (encoded as signals) to the nervous system, affecting the target's performance. With RMS, healthy persons can be induced to see hallucinations and to hear voices in their heads.

Every thought, reaction, hearing, and visual observation causes a certain neurological potential, spikes, and patterns in the brain and its electromagnetic fields, which can now be decoded into thoughts, pictures, and voices. Electromagnetic stimulation can therefore change a person's brainwaves and affect muscular activity, causing painful muscular cramps experienced as torture.

The NSA's electronic surveillance system can simultaneously follow and handle millions of people. Each of us has a unique bioelectrical resonance frequency in the brain, just as we have unique fingerprints. With electromagnetic frequency (EMF) brain stimulation fully coded, pulsating electromagnetic signals can be sent to the brain, causing the desired voice and visual effects to be experienced by the target. This is a form of electronic warfare. U.S. astronauts were implanted before they were sent into space so their thoughts could be followed and all their emotions could be registered 24 hours a day.

The Washington Post reported in May 1995 that Prince William of Great Britain was implanted at the age of 12. Thus, if he were ever kidnapped, a radio wave with a specific frequency could be targeted to his microchip. The chip's signal would be routed through a satellite to the computer screen of police headquarters, where the Prince's movements could be followed. He could actually be located anywhere on the globe.

The mass media has not reported that an implanted person's privacy vanishes for the rest of his or her life. She can be manipulated in many ways. Using different frequencies, the secret controller of this equipment can even change a person's emotional life. She can be made aggressive or lethargic. Sexuality can be artificially influenced. Thought signals and subconscious thinking can be read, dreams affected and even induced, all without the knowledge or consent of the implanted person.

A perfect cyber-soldier can thus be created. This secret technology has been used by military forces in certain NATO countries since the 1980s without civilian and academic populations having heard anything about it. Thus, little information about such invasive mind-control systems is available in professional and academic journals.

The NSA's Signals Intelligence group can remotely monitor information from human brains by decoding the evoked potentials (3.50 HZ, 5 milliwatt) emitted by the brain. Prisoner experimentees in both Gothenburg, Sweden and Vienna, Austria have been found to have evident brain lesions. Diminished blood circulation and lack of oxygen in the right temporal frontal lobes result where brain implants are usually operative. A Finnish experimentee experienced brain atrophy and intermittent attacks of unconsciousness due to lack of oxygen.

Mind control techniques can be used for political purposes. The goal of mind controllers today is to induce the targeted persons or groups to act against his or her own convictions and best interests. Zombified individuals can even be programmed to murder and remember nothing of their crime afterward. Alarming examples of this phenomenon can be found in the U.S.

This “silent war” is being conducted against unknowing civilians and soldiers by military and intelligence agencies. Since 1980, electronic stimulation of the brain (ESB) has been secretly used to control people targeted without their knowledge or consent. All international human rights agreements forbid non consensual manipulation of human beings — even in prisons, not to speak of civilian populations.

Under an initiative of U.S. Senator John Glenn, discussions commenced in January 1997 about the dangers of radiating civilian populations. Targeting people’s brain functions with electromagnetic fields and beams (from helicopters and airplanes, satellites, from parked vans, neighboring houses, telephone poles, electrical appliances, mobile phones, TV, radio, etc.) is part of the radiation problem that should be addressed in democratically elected government bodies.

In addition to electronic MC, chemical methods have also been developed. Mind-altering drugs and different smelling gasses affecting brain function negatively can be injected into air ducts or water pipes. Bacteria and viruses have also been tested this way in several countries.

Today's super technology, connecting our brain functions via microchips (or even without them, according to the latest technology) to computers via satellites in the U.S. or Israel, poses the gravest threat to humanity. The latest supercomputers are powerful enough to monitor the whole world’s population. What will happen when people are tempted by false premises to allow microchips into their bodies? One lure will be a microchip identity card. Compulsory legislation has even been secretly proposed in the U.S. to criminalize removal of an ID implant.

Are we ready for the robotization of mankind and the total elimination of privacy, including freedom of thought? How many of us would want to cede our entire life, including our most secret thoughts, to Big Brother? Yet the technology exists to create a totalitarian New World Order. Covert neurological communication systems are in place to counteract independent thinking and to control social and political activity on behalf of self-serving private and military interests.

When our brain functions are already connected to supercomputers by means of radio implants and microchips, it will be too late for protest. This threat can be defeated only by educating the public, using available literature on biotelemetry and information exchanged at international congresses.

One reason this technology has remained a state secret is the widespread prestige of the psychiatric Diagnostic Statistical Manual IV produced by the U.S. American Psychiatric Association (APA) and printed in 18 languages. Psychiatrists working for U.S. intelligence agencies no doubt participated in writing and revising this manual. This psychiatric "bible" covers up the secret development of MC technologies by labeling some of their effects as symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia.

Victims of mind control experimentation are thus routinely diagnosed, knee-jerk fashion, as mentally ill by doctors who learned the DSM “symptom” list in medical school. Physicians have not been schooled that patients may be telling the truth when they report being targeted against their will or being used as guinea pigs for electronic, chemical and bacteriological forms of psychological warfare.

Time is running out for changing the direction of military medicine, and ensuring the future of human freedom.

This article was originally published in the 36th-year edition of the Finnish-language journal SPEKULA (3rd Quarter, 1999). SPEKULA (circulation 6500) is a publication of Northern Finland medical students and doctors of Oulu University OLK (Oulun Laaketieteellinen Kilta). It is mailed to all medical students of Finland and all Northern Finland medical doctors.

Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde

Linked for relevance..



An amazing video that I haven't seen and am mildly impressed was presented my mainstream media.

I still contend that if they are showcasing things now, then they have been capable of it in the past and now have bigger and better things.

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Microchip Implants, Mind Control, & Cybernetics
By Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde, MD, Former Chief Medical Officer of Finland
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This article was originally published in the 36th-year edition of the Finnish-language journal SPEKULA (3rd Quarter, 1999). SPEKULA (circulation 6500) is a publication of Northern Finland medical students and doctors of Oulu University OLK (Oulun Laaketieteellinen Kilta). It is mailed to all medical students of Finland and all Northern Finland medical doctors.

That's a pretty impressive-sounding citation for such a surprising article. Has anyone verified it? Is this an active area of research and public knowledge in Finland? Sometimes I wonder how much 'common knowledge' differs across language-barriers.

Originally posted by Ian McLean
That's a pretty impressive-sounding citation for such a surprising article. Has anyone verified it? Is this an active area of research and public knowledge in Finland? Sometimes I wonder how much 'common knowledge' differs across language-barriers.

It's a tough one to verify; most google searches of the content bring back only the original piece from different websites...however, I did a google for the Dr's name and found something of interest...

Dr. Rauni Kilde spoke out against electronic methods of mind control in 1999. As the former Chief Medical Officer for Northern Finland, Dr Rauni Kilde has held the highest medical positions in the providence of Lapland. She is a specialist in public health, health administration, and tropical diseases. She is a retired president of the Nursing College of Lapland, and attends lecture circuits that deal with neuroscience, and acts as Finland's representative to the World Health Organization.

She participated in a detailed documentary warning about emerging mind control technologies entitled "Freedom's Angel: Dr. Rauni Kilde", but the documentary aired only once, and has since disappeared. Since then, Dr. Kilde appears to have become a routine victim of sabotage, property theft, computer hacking attacks, and a severe car accident. Her warnings of mind control technology have been both forgotten, and silenced. More importantly, she seems to have been silenced.

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U.S. Patent 4706689: The device employs a unique programmable signal generator and detection system to locate and monitor the movement of individuals. It additionally utilizes a physiological monitoring system to signal a warning for the necessity for immediate help. The device is small enough to be implanted in young children as well as adults.

U.S. Patent 6011991: A system and method for enabling human beings to communicate by way of their monitored brain activity. The brain activity of an individual is monitored and transmitted to a remote location (e.g. by satellite).

An interesting Source

Perhaps a bit of extrapolative googling could work wonders...I am really interested in that last patent....

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Have to ask memoryshock, have you ever had the hand x-rayed or scanned in any way? Maybe to find the object you think is there. Sorry if you already answered that, i did read through the thread but didn't see a response about it.

Cheers.

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No. For the record, I kind of don't think that there is an implant in my hand, though it wouldn't hurt to check....as far fetched as it sounds, I would tend to think it to be an intra-cranial implant.

The biggest obstacle to getting an X-Ray is the nervousness. I have to actually make the decision to go to the doctor and tell someone in person what I want to check. For some reason, that makes me incredibly nervous.

But I have been thinking about it and visualizing it....so it is currently on the "to do" list. I realize that I can't really continue this thread until I accomplish the X-Ray...negative or not. It freaks me out to have to consider the fact that nothing would show up...because some of the experiences and symptoms are just too much to be natural. It would mean that I can't possibly fathom what is going on or that I am truly crazy.

For the record, though, I'm pretty certain of outside influence...

Ive talked to others about this (without mentioning you or ATS, just saying "someone I talked to once") and they ALL agree that its time for an x-ray.

So go ahead and get it. Even if nothing appears, then at least we know we have to pursue other explanations (including remote-influencing without implants).

As for the nervousness: You dont necessarily have to tell them what its for, do you? And if so, you can seek out a doctor who is also ATS-member and understands whats involved.

Any doctors with x-ray devices reading this thread?


About the Finnish Paper: An above-average amount of Mind-Control info originates in scandinavia, Ive noticed. The reason for this is probably not that they are more depressed with their gloomy climate, but that they´re always about a decade ahead of other western nations in terms of info. Finnland is known to have the #1 education system....wordwide.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Ive talked to others about this (without mentioning you or ATS, just saying "someone I talked to once") and they ALL agree that its time for an x-ray.

Yeah...I know. It really takes a lot to get me motivated. But I am discussing the idea, I am going to call a clinic tomorrow and get quotes for the X-Rays...I figure I want five of the head, all sides including top, and one of the hand (just to know).

As for discussing it, Sky, with whomever...I'm not too worried about it.

As for the nervousness: You dont necessarily have to tell them what its for, do you?

I'm going to, initially, tell them so that they aren't to wondering when I am insistent on retaining them. In my experience, the truth is always better, though I did toy with the idea of requesting them as part of an art project or by something along the lines of, "I hit my head."

I just figure that if I say the reason, then I am already prepared to answer questions that I am not expecting. My big worry is encountering a doctor who will be adamant on a more thorough mental check-up (:barf. Been there done that and I am not going to entertain (until afterwards, potentially) any "Mental Health Professional".

And if so, you can seek out a doctor who is also ATS-member and understands whats involved.

That would be excellent. But may not occur in the time frame I am setting up for myself. I imagine a few weeks, considering the cost of the X-rays along with my other financial obligations (I really don't make very much).

About the Finnish Paper: An above-average amount of Mind-Control info originates in scandinavia, Ive noticed.

Could you forward some links?

I think one scandinavian source was already linked in this thread: Brain Implants. Google searches involving "Mind Control" and the words Sweden or Finnland or Norway will reveal an above average amount of data coming from these countries.

"Hi, my name is ________. I have an appointment with doctor ____ to get x-rays".

"Hi there. Im doctor _____ . May I ask what you will be needing the x-rays for?"


7 ways to answer:


"Id rather not go into that. Just do the x-rays, please"


"For private reasons"


"I just want a brain check-up because Ive been experiencing some unusual sensations in my skull"


"Im doing this for an art-contest. Difficult to explain. I need a very thorough scan though"


"I believe some object may have been inserted into my brain and want to find out"


"Ive been experiencing radio-transmissions into my brain. Thats why I believe somethings been implanted into it"


"No questions dude. Just do your job"

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For readers who think there´s "nothing to this":


Wikipedia on Brain Implants

Brain implants, often referred to as neural implants, are technological devices that connect directly to a biological subject's brain - usually placed on the surface of the brain, or attached to the brain's cortex.

Delgado was later to write a popular book on mind control, called "Physical Control of the Mind", where he stated: "the feasibility of remote control of activities in several species of animals has been demonstrated [...] The ultimate objective of this research is to provide an understanding of the mechanisms involved in the directional control of animals and to provide practical systems suitable for human application."

Some people fear implants may be used for mind control, e.g. to change human perception of reality.

# Scientific American article on Jose Delgado
# Discover Magazine article on brain implants
# Neurotech Reports article on neural-silicon hybrid chips

Yeah, doctors deal with hypochondriacs all the time. There's really nothing to worry about. If they seem to want to follow up, diagnose, investigate more, realize that that's just them being honestly concerned with trying to help.

Really all you have to do is be honest. Not necessarily totally honest, just appropriately honest. Say you saw some gory stuff on the Internet perhaps, and now when you get an itch on your scalp or occasionally headache you sometimes wonder if maybe there's something to those crazy-sounding theories.

Look, modern medicine and science exist exactly for that reason -- to give objective evidence to the unknown, whether the hypothesis is crazy-sounding, or assumpively obvious.

And laugh a little -- it's funny! Be self-conscious. You should be a little concerned about wasting a doctor's time with which he could be helping others more in need. But not really -- doctors prioritize and manage their time very well, and helping appease an apparent hypochondriac who doesn't take themselves too seriously is something they're usually happy to do.

Also, they like to show off and play the professional, if they're in a good mood. Giving people the assurance of a network of competent support is part of the job.

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To add: He´ll probably make the doctors day who usually gets the same old boring treadmill and is suddenly involved in a science-fiction novel.

HUMOR is definetely the best advice Ive heard on this thread yet.

I applaud you, Skyfloating and Ian, for sincere and well thought out advice for Memoryshock. I myself may employ your logic in my own situation. Thanks

Originally posted by Skyfloating


So go ahead and get it. Even if nothing appears, then at least we know we have to pursue other explanations (including remote-influencing without implants).

Exactly. I have no doubts that you are able to percieve things that are disturbing, it also seems that others are part of the deception. Why? That is left to be known.

About the Finnish Paper: An above-average amount of Mind-Control info originates in scandinavia, Ive noticed. The reason for this is probably not that they are more depressed with their gloomy climate, but that they´re always about a decade ahead of other western nations in terms of info. Finnland is known to have the #1 education system....wordwide.

Seriously? I had no idea. It's always those strong silent types that get me.

Once again I want to cheerlead this thread.

If such occurances aren't currently being brought about in a broad spectrum already, I have no doubt that if deemed *approriate* by those who stand to increase their power, I can only think it would be a matter of time.

I know Memory Shock that you aren't the only one resportingsuch mental invasion, but your story by far has been the most detailed and helpfu