Am I Racist

Originally posted by Sonya610
Okay so Muslims account for 7% of the prison population, of that Muslim population 11% are White Britians, 73% are Asian (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi) and 7% are Black which means that brings the percentage of Asian Muslims down to about 5%.

This is actually the biggest issue for me concerning race in the UK.

Why must Indians (myself included) be lumped as a category into "Asian"? Why must Indians be tarred with the same brush. Indian communities are hard working, law abiding and tax paying members of British society. To label Indians as "asians" is a pretty frank insult in my opinion.

And yet for statistical purposes, Indians are put into the same category as Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. I bear no malice towards these racial groups, but I find it hard to suffer silently when my community is being labelled and tarred in such a manner! I would suspect that a breakdown of crimes by race further would reveal a miniscule level of crime comitted by Indians (seeing as its hard to maintain educational attainment, employment AND find the time to be a criminal).

Talk to any other Briton of Indian origin and he will tell you the same: Please do not pidgeonhole us into the same category as the rest of Asia based simply on our physical appearance. In reality and in statistics we are miles apart as Im sure anyone who has met an Indian will have noticed.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Why must Indians (myself included) be lumped as a category into "Asian"?

See my thread on Arabs www.abovetopsecret.com...

Mitochrondial DNA is often used to define race. I believe the majority of the Indian population is in fact Asian in origin, though I have read the Brahman caste has a high amount of Caucasian genes.

If you want to find out why your group is defined as Asian (or if you want to argue the point) look it up.

reply to post by orby1976


It is the basis of psychological warfare. To breed fear of another person based on their race, skin color, religion, etc. I know that July 7 is a sensitive subject for you but have you ever considered researching all of the coincidences that took place on that day? Extremely similar to those that took place here on 911. Maybe your fear is misplaced.


Now you harbor ill feelings towards Muslims. Does this mean you support the wars going on against these people? The term 'terrorist' has been tagged to the Muslim world for a reason.

I want you to know that I understand the 'why' behing your fear and mistrust. I just ask that you look into the events that took place that day to make a final decision on who may have actually attacked your country.

Don't you find it a bit ironic that there were security exercises taking place that day mimmicking almost the exact sequence of events? The president of the company that was providing the training has spoken publicly about this.

The exact bus that was bombed. The idea that no one was allowed to examine the damage on the bus. Many witnesses say that the metal in the floor was pealed upwards. Why is this important? Well, the official story is that the bombs were carried on, right? Well, then the metal would not have pealed upwards from the floor if the bomb was on top of the floor.

So, before you fear that you are racist and label yourself as a bad person for being so (society seems to want to label people way too much), just take a closer look at the events that have lead up to your fear.

Good luck my friend.

reply to post by Sonya610


Actually R1a haplotype studies show Indians to be closest to Iranians/ Persians and central Eurasians (such as Armenians).

R1a haplotype distribution

If you notice, the distribution of R1a (purple) is highest in the lower Russian state and around the Caspian.

Genetically speaking, Indians are something of an aberration in Asia. Indian mtDNA most closely resembles Central Eurasian DNA of the Caucasus and Caspian rather than that of Asia (mongoloid) or Arabia.

This, in conclusion with Bamshad's 2001 study into genetics in India lead me to belive that Indians originated somewhere near the Caspian sea, and are a brach of the Indo-Iranian or Indo-Aryan race (whichever terminology you prefer).

What makes India even harder to categorise is the fact that you will find a massive range of human races there. The brahmin caste is almost entirely Aryan (in the true, non-nazi sense of the word), the dalits are almost entirely Dravidian and there are the odd dispersed groups of Baghdadi jews, syrian christians etc.

So even in genetic terms, it is not really viable to lump Indians in with Asians of any variety. In social terms, it makes even less sense given the gulf of difference between hinduism and islam.

Thanks for the chance to debate something Im fairly interested in

[edit on 28-5-2008 by 44soulslayer]

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Thank you for sharing that. And I learned something, and yes Indian is a very large and diverse country. As far as being classified as something other than Asian, I believe in the U.S. they are classified as Caucasian, so it all depends on where you live.

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Thats something i would like to look into, any links to any info please.

reply to post by Sonya610


Thats where the 3-race hypothesis falls short in my opinion, it doesnt account for a host of important so called "sub-races".

Under that hypothesis (and US census keeping, and pre- US vs Thind III legal case), Indians would be Caucasians. But I think most people, even your average Joe would agree that Indians arent really "Caucasians" in the true sense of the term.

Perhaps it would be better to use a 7 race model, which I think this graph shows best.

Anyway perhaps we should have created a new thread for this- it has somewhat gone off topic from the original post!

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Just my observations..I am a simple man and not fantasic with words or very intelligent.. I look at all as human beings regardless of colour creed religion...and this is a generalisation..but the psyche of these people ..seems that the islamic countries do not have the respect for life...and seem ..immature!!...even when they are the same religion they kill each other enmasse, they have men that behave like children with their own gang...like they have devolved!!...

it is a collective thing racism...many I speak to will make general comments...and they have been all colours and religions..but most would never refuse help to someone they met that needed help...and I would neither refuse ..

I have noticed though from all I have met ( I Worked in the NHS for a long time)

There is a lot of difference with the Indians and Pakistani,s ...Indians seem more ...mature !! evolved...I met very few Muslim nurses and Drs..but many Indians!! they had a care for life!!

So now I single out a difference...not one you can put a finger on ( thats the real problem...so difficult to pin down..but when you have been about ...you see it!!)

From what I see ..its not reallly about Islam...its a mentality that uses it!!

An immaturity..why ?? haven't a clue !! but I know the divisions that are created...do not bode well!!

Just seems there is so much much hate from Islamic cultures!! ( Iraq and all the silly wars going on are not an excuse to me !..its been going on for years)

I suppose the solution is for all other religions, colours creeds to get out of the Islamic countries, and all the Muslims to move to the Islamic countries..?? but I can't imagine many in this country moving back to their Islamic roots.....they want to take over...and that is obvious !!

I am a simple man...and I can't see anything being solved!!...I have seen areas change in Yorkshire/Lancashire...you really need to live in such areas to see!! ...and there is an underlying dangerous resentment building!!...I I will not be around when it starts!!

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Originally posted by spitefulgod

As I said you have to take into consideration natural resources, environment and religion. Please take note of this page www.creativebrother.freehosting.net... you'll probably note that these inventions were created by black people although they have all been created in a country other than Africa...

There is a website, I cant think if the name of it offhand but it proves that most of the inventions on that website you linked are false. They were invented by other races first and the blacks got credit for it.

It was quite shocking this site had links that proved it without a doubt. From peanut butter to streetlights and most of it in between. Stolen ideas...

Edit to add: Black Americans for the most part are as much a sub-race as say Arabs or Mexicans. The pure black race is much different and are either from Africa or live in Africa.

[edit on 28-5-2008 by LoneGunMan]

No, you are not a racist. I'll agree that most muslims are good people BUT the terrorists who act out based on a radicalized version of Islam are more than enough to make others wary. There is an inherit secretness to the way these terror groups operate leaving the rest of us to wonder who is radical and who is not. When an act of terrorism happens, are your ever surprised to hear it was muslim oriented? Im not, they have set this standard and have created a weight for thier fellow muslims to bear.

no i dont think your racist or even the uk..these people come to the uk to get away from the islamic laws that are cruel and the first thing they do when they get hear is to make there communities just as bad as the country they left..i for one just dont understand ...they want to live free and with out fear then try and change there new home to be ruled by the same cruel laws...its f''king nuts...

i should ad i live in northern ireland and we have here the extreme of 2 communities living side by side but totaly different in opinions..we have here what Britain will become if immigrant communities grow and keep from integrating into british culture.... it will only lead to more trouble in the future...

[edit on 28-5-2008 by fatdad]

This thread has drained me and I'm throwing in my chips, I'd like to thank
Sonya610,
44soulslayer,
orby1976
for their inputs and insights, the world is a diverse place and although I don't share some of your views, I do agree with others and I can see we have similar experiences although with different variables.

44soulslayer, as I stated way way back in some of the posts and on some other threads anyone with half a brain knowns the difference between Pakistani and Indian and know the vast differences in moral standing, keep up the good work for your corner.

So I’m off for now but I'll say it again, I am who I am and I'll like/dislike/hate who I want.

I think you are more of a bigot than a racist. Having lived in Harrogate for several years, I used to visit Leeds quite often. The city had many good points but I did note that it was divided according to racial lines. This was particularly pronounced in working class areas where whites and Asians, from the Subcontinent, live. I can understand why you misconstrue your intolerance as being of racism when the only Muslims you have come across are the descendants of the Asians from the British colonies your country invited to help rebuild Britain during the first two decades after WW2.

Unfortunately in this time of elective wars for other nations resource, your kind of instinctive impulses and intolerance has been allowed to develop so the state may achieve certain political agendas without objections from the like of you. Eventually your mentality will be put back into hidden recesses of Britain's cultural sociopathy.

My advise to you is to be measured in your bigotedness now so that you may successfully contain it when this period of ugliness is passed. Good luck.

Originally posted by spitefulgod

For the record, I do not know any black people, the only black people I have experience of are on the TV shows

I think that about sums up any white liberal defending them. Of course it's easy to say they are good people or equal to us when you've never had the displeasure of associating with one.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer

Suppose I agree with you that there are biological and cultural differences between races. Suppose that I agree that using a median point for each race yields significant, clear and present distinctions between races.

What do you propose to do about it? Are you advocating the genocide of those races with lower median IQ marks? Are you advocating the extermination of a supposed "criminal faction" within society?

First of all we can start by shipping them back to Africa, they shouldn't have a problem with it, since most of them say they'd rather live in Africa rather that 'whitey controlled amerika'. Of course that's all just talk, they love to stay here leeching off whitey's achievements and welfare system.

Then after we ship them back to fix our mistake of shipping them here, we can have a white-only America. After all, every other race on the face of the earth has their own nation. There are Asian-only nations, there are African-only nations, there are Arab-only nations, well it's about time whites have a nation of their own. It was originally called the United States of America until some wealthy Jewish slave traders convinced us we could get some work done for cheap. What a mistake listening to them it was. The closest thing we have is Iceland, which is mostly white, although they are starting to get a lot of immigration now.

The next step would be actually going after the thousands of illegal immigrants that cross the border every day bringing disease, drugs, and weapons into the country from Mexico. A good step would be shooting them as they cross the border, to send a message to the rest of them and give them fear about crossing. A border fence will never work. We need to withdraw our military from Iraq and put them on the border.



[edit on 28-5-2008 by AgentStovkowski]

Originally posted by orby1976
I got told by the police to take my England flag down off my car during the world cup, as it may cause racial tension.
Did i take it down,, No, but i got pulled over and told to about 4 times.

Now you have discovered the wonderful world of ZOG.

Originally posted by AgentStovkowski
Then after we ship them back to fix our mistake of shipping them here, we can have a white-only America.

In that case we probably part ideologies.

Let alone the moral issues of repatriating the immigrants who are hard working, honest American citizens (and there are some), there is the economic issue surrounding your wish for a White only America.

Immigrants have contributed massively to the US economy. The backbone of silicon valley firms are run by Indians, 25% of your doctors are Indian, 60% of NASA employees are Indian, 50% of your $80bn hotel industry is owned by Indians.

You know what, go ahead and repatriate them. That would be the best thing to ever happen to India, to regain some of the most educated people they lost in the "brain drain".

The small side effect would be an immediate bust of the US healthcare, computing and hospitality industries!

[edit on 28-5-2008 by 44soulslayer]

Originally posted by 44soulslayer

Originally posted by AgentStovkowski
Then after we ship them back to fix our mistake of shipping them here, we can have a white-only America.

In that case we probably part ideologies.

Let alone the moral issues of repatriating the immigrants who are hard working, honest American citizens (and there are some), there is the economic issue surrounding your wish for a White only America.

Immigrants have contributed massively to the US economy. The backbone of silicon valley firms are run by Indians, 25% of your doctors are Indian, 60% of NASA employees are Indian, 50% of your $80bn hotel industry is owned by Indians.

You know what, go ahead and repatriate them. That would be the best thing to ever happen to India, to regain some of the most educated people they lost in the "brain drain".

The small side effect would be an immediate bust of the US healthcare, computing and hospitality industries!

[edit on 28-5-2008 by 44soulslayer]

Our healthcare, computing, and hospitality was fine until the indians stole all our jobs with outsourcing. When we get rid of the indians, whites will step up to fill those empty jobs just as they did before. And it's greatly needed, unemployment rate due to outsourcing is at an all time high in America.

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Im not talking about outsourcing. Outsourcing doesnt benefit the US economy at all, it actually detracts from it.

The facts I quoted are for Indian Americans, living, working and spending money in America (therefore contributing to the economy).

Sure eventually you may get white people to retake those jobs. But in the interim are you really prepared to lose such a massive amount of money and labour? Also it would be impossible to train 25% of the entire medical doctors needed within a year or so.

Nonetheless there is a more pressing issue: Is it really your wish to live in a white-only society and country? Could you not concieve having friends of different races merely because they are different or "inferior" (in your opinion)?