Mark "Gravy" Roberts to Debate Richard Gage!!!

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

As for facts...Gravy merely played semantics and word games, and ad hominem attacks. Things like that simply aren't debatable, just ignorable.

Please point out the times during the debate where Mr. Roberts used any of the three tactics you pointed out. You are not the first to say this, but will you be the first to back it up?

By the way, Mr Roberts is a mere tour guide. From someone who derides people on here for not being "experts" and ignoring the state sanctioned "Experts", you put alot of stock in a mere tour guide operator.

What expert? You are talking about a man who's biggest building was an IHOP. A man with ZERO controlled demolition experience. A man who admitted he was in over his head.

Thank you in advance for your list.

Originally posted by CameronFox

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

As for facts...Gravy merely played semantics and word games, and ad hominem attacks. Things like that simply aren't debatable, just ignorable.

Please point out the times during the debate where Mr. Roberts used any of the three tactics you pointed out. You are not the first to say this, but will you be the first to back it up?

By the way, Mr Roberts is a mere tour guide. From someone who derides people on here for not being "experts" and ignoring the state sanctioned "Experts", you put alot of stock in a mere tour guide operator.

What expert? You are talking about a man who's biggest building was an IHOP. A man with ZERO controlled demolition experience. A man who admitted he was in over his head.

Thank you in advance for your list.

W: One example is when Gravy asks irrelevant rhetorical questions. For example, he presses the question "Do you know what the NIST report says?" Of course, we all do! But he keeps repeating it like 9/11 truthers don't know what NIST says except him! A total sidetrack.

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At the beginning of the show, Mark goes in to attack mode during his introduction, accusing Mr. Gage of making profits and trying to get money out of people.

His near exact words were "appealing for peoples hard earned money, why tell the truth" or something like that.

He also claims to have pointed out several logical fallacies and such, yet does not point these out and why they are so.

He also claims that the molten metal found by the NYFD was aluminim. from hubcaps on cars. How hubcaps made rivers of molten metal coming down girders in the building is beyond me, and that fire fighters don't know what they are talking about, acording to Roberts.

But hey, who am I to dispute the wisdom of a tour guide, eh, compared to an architect.

Let's just pretend his biggest work was an IHOP (it wasn't, Ive found he has worked on midrises and schools as well). An architect who works on an IHOP or KMART or whatever still is far more credible and knowledgable about contruction and steelwork than is a "tour guide".