The Gap between America and Europe is Growing.

Originally posted by BlackJackal
Americans are not looked upon very well by Europeans any more and the trend is starting to take root in Europes Children.

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Good. I would'nt lose any sleep over it if I were you. We need another Socialist ally like we need another enemy. And send the damn Statue of Liberty back to the fruity French as the Trojan Horse that it is. We can build something better with genuine meaning.

Get the US out of the UN and get the UN the hell out of the US.

[Edited on 1-3-2004 by Crazyhorse]

Amen, Crazyhorse!

And, like you said, lose no sleep over it. This transatlantic rift is what this country needs: a return to isolationism. Since we entertwined ourselves in Europes affairs, this country has turned into a msierable #hole of idiotic people. Our higher standard of living and such has contributed to this. Isolation would solve alot of it. I really look forward to a transatlantic rift, it will serve both sides admirably, instead of keeping us chained to this false, preposterous, and unholy alliance.

The attitudes of a bunch of French schoolkids rank on my list of conerns right there with aliens sodomizing my cats. And since Europes birthrate has sprialed dowanrd, especially in France, future generation of French? Gook luck on that.

skadi, well said! but, feline sodomization by alien rates are on the rise in ny ...

God it's good to hear some people who have their sh!t str8! Screw the french, and anyone else in europe (or the rest of the world for that matter) who has a problem with the US.

You think we are stupid? Then why do we have BY FAR the most powerful economy in the world? You hate our fatty food? Why are there a million "un macdo's" in paris when i went there 2 years ago? We are uncoltured? How come our music and our movies dominate the charts? Because America has the best of almost everything. The best millitary, best economy, best athletes, biggest corporations(though it may not be the best thing for this country), best technology, ect ect.

To me, it's a preatty clear case of penis envy of every has been European country. The jelousy they have towards us is only surpassed by their denial of aspiring to be everything we are and have everything we have.

oh and as for the whole UN thing, i agree - screw it! The only reason we are in it is because WE PAY FOR IT! Whenever there is a problem that the UN wants to remidy with force they get a "coalition." Coalition my ass!!!! It's US planes, and US troops on the frontlines, while a few panzy Europeans sit behind the lines! I am sick of everyone complaining about the US when we are used as the worlds friggin piggy bank!!!!

Nah, Americans aren't uncultured....











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[Edited on 1-3-2004 by nathraq]

Quote:Screw the french, and anyone else in europe (or the rest of the world for that matter) who has a problem with the US.

I wonder if these were words spoken by the Romans, maybe about the Goths,whoever, before their empire fell?

Sorry but the US isn't falling anytime soon - hate to break it to ya.

The fact is that if the US fell, so would the rest of the civilized world. Why you ask? Because the US economy represents about 20% of the world economy. The entire world has their money invested in us, so guess what - if we fall we are taking everyone else with us! Thus, Europe, to their dismay, would be forced tto help us just to sustain their own way of life! HAHAHAHA - the irony!!!! They are dependent on the very ones they so loath!!!!!

I would love to see some statistics to support that theory.

These pictures arent stereotypes in my opinion.

They are an accurate depiction of the US.

We are greedy, always wanting more and more material possessions, always "keeping up with the Jones" so to speak.

Most americans are FAT ASSES. Only too happy to not cook dinner themselves, just drive to Micky D's or burger King and stuff their fat faces with greasy fries and a soggy hamburger thinking "why am I so heavy?".

Just my two cents.

There are a lot of reasons why the gap between America and the rest of the world is growing. some of them have been mentioned here...

To find the roots, you have to look back at how the world learns about America.

The biggest influence is TV. Although you amy watch a show and think "nice fiction but people really don't go round shooting each other" people in other parts of the world take that as a reflection upon Amercian society.

Your media, which even some americans hate, is your worst advertizement, it pollutes the world with themes such as "violence is best solved with a gun" "free sex is normal" "teenage girls only want sex" etc etc

Your media gives us a view of you that you don't see of yourself. Also there are stereotypes of Americans which seem true as they are repeated on TV all the time....

Americans as:
Loud, obnoxious, fat, lazy, weapon obsessed, easy lays, amoral, killers, (from my co worker .. arrogent conceited, self opinionated, loud mouthed, self importance) etc etc.

(BTW as my co worker says that even in the news there are people we see who are as big assholes as that)

Now these are not true (so don't post that "we are not like that") but this is what people SEE.

So look to your own society and see how you are projecting yourself, its the same thing for an individual as for a society.

If you don't want want to be thought of as an obnoxious person then change your behaviour, if you don't want to be thought of in terms of these stereotypes then change the way you broadcast your society to the world.



[Edited on 1-3-2004 by Netchicken]

The Chicago tribune recently featured an article about how the rest of the world perceives Chicago.
When asked, they held a make-believe machine gun, and went ratatatata because the movie image of Chicago is one of Gangsters.

They accuse us of being fat and ignorant? I wonde how big Hanz over in munich is getting on his beer and bratwurst.

They are the ignorant ones, and the racists.

I'm going to reply to that after I finish my donut and put my hockey stick down.

much of what you lot say about france simply isnt true.
one of their main papers (le monde) had a headline of 'we're all americans now' after sept 11 so to state that werent moved by the attacks is without foundation. to attempt to find meaning for the attack is not the same as being happy about it. americans on this site regularly discuss the exact same thing, oftenwithout the sympathy expressed by the french media.

and chirac is not a socialist. he's rightwing.
and from personal experience i can also say that the french dont smell.

its also untrue that america singlehandly funds the UN as one person said. the us has failed to pay their fees for years.

anti-france sentiment - its the new racism you know

Very well said NC and bolshevik. I'd also like to say that the hatred has grown toward the US as a result of Bush, it is not anti-american but anti-Bush, yet alot of Americans seem to be confusing the two.
Feelings might be getting stronger when people realise that you Americans actually ACCEPT a moron like that to govern you, what must that make you?
I'm not saying this is necessarily true but it's one way people could look at it, and you have to think about it yourself.

i would say this is the media's doing. the american media has done a good job of making everyone think every person of middle eastern decent is a terrorist bent on destroying america and killing everyone who isn't muslim just as the european media has done a good job of making americans look like power crazy fat military muscle flexing slobs. these are stereotypes taken to an extreme.

OK first the UN funding...

yes, we have neglected to pay our trfn.clpgh.org.......

now here is why: THE US PAYS FOR 25 PERCENT OF "THE UNITED NATIONS." why in the name of god is 1 country paying 25 friggin percent of this? How come everyone doesnt pay the same amount? How come we are "cutting" our peacekeeping operations from 31% to 25%? in short, WHY DOES THE US ACCOUNT FOR ALMOST 1/3 OF UN FORCES?????
IT'S BECAUSE THE US IS USED AS THE WORLD PIGGY BANK!!!!!! BECAUSE WE ARE FILTHY STICKING RICH!!!! SORRY, I AM NOT AFRAID TO ADMIT IT!!!! IT IS THROUGH HARD WORK THAT OUR COUNTRY GOT THIS WAY!!!!! THERE IS A REASON THAT OUR HIGHER EDUCATION SYSTEM IS BY FAR THE BEST IN THE WORLD!!!!! YES OUR PUBLIC SYSTEM IS SUBPAR, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT - IT DOESNT MATTER - MOTIVATED SMART, SKILLED PEOPLE STILL RISE TO THE TOP HERE!!!

In my opinion screw the "UN" untill everyone is pulling there own wieght!!!!!! The US doesnt need a global org spending it's dollars against it's self!!!!! Most of the time, like in Iraq, they just use OUR MONEY AGAINST US!!! Well I say no more!!! If the UN is so god damn important, then we can all pay an EQUAL share, and contribute an EQUAL amount of men!!! why should all of europes guys get to stay home while the US takes responsability for 1/4 of the men that go to these peace keeping missions?

In short, [edit] THE UN!

[Please don't circumvent censors; they are there for a reason.]

[Edited on 1-3-2004 by RANT]

Well if the gap between europe and usa grows even more it would maby cause a war if usa went into other countries atttackin everything [i dout it ]. If thier ever was a war between USA and Europe, Europe has a good chance of winning it.

Originally posted by T-B0
Well if the gap between europe and usa grows even more it would maby cause a war if usa went into other countries atttackin everything [i dout it ]. If thier ever was a war between USA and Europe, Europe has a good chance of winning it.

What grade are you in, Really?

The fact that people get thier impressions of Americans from TV goes to show they are as stupid and cattle brained as we are. The fact many have never been to the states and have never seen the US up close and personal simply is unacceptable.

I make my opinions about the French from my own experiences in France and Europe, and yes, they do smell, and quite rancidly. And are rude. My anti French Sentiment came from my experiences years ago pre 9/11, and not from thier opposition in the UN to the Iraq war, which, had they actually done it for noble and good reasons, Id have actually gaines respect for them.

But thats beside the point. it is not our job to worry about what idiots who havent crossed the atlantic on the other side of the world think about us, nor is it our responsibility to portray ourselves in an "acceptable" manner. Movies are just that: reality.

And for the record, when it comes to being amoral, lets examine Europe, land where pornography is pretty freely viewed on national television, where birthrates have spiraled downwards, families and marriages decline, where things like racism and anti semetism run rampant..just like in the US! And, obesity is on the rise there too, folks.

Its all a matter of the pot calling the kettle black. When Europe has thier # together, then they can talk about us.

Oh, they arent going around right now bombing other countires for profit and to advance themselves. Thats true. Because they already have done that with massive deathtolls and apocolyptic destruction already, long before the US was an itch in the pants of a few british colonists. The only difference is, Europe having blown her power and might in two stupid and easily avoidable world wars, has lost that power to do so, otherwise, they would still be at it.

Its simply a matter of us being at the forefront now, us with the guns, ect.

I do not agree with what the American users have said in this thread. In this reply, I will not quote anyone. I will divide my post into several sections.

1) The French

The French are good people. And they do not stink.

All those fools that are offending France don't know anything about France.

2) Morality

Yes it is the US who is amoral, not the EU. US soldiers in Guantanamo prison have paid disrespect to Koran. US soldiers in Abu Ghraib have tortured Iraq prisoners. The US has invaded Iraq without having appropriate reasons to do that.

3) Birth rate in France and the rest of Europe

The birth rate in France and the rest of Europe is not declining.

4) Imigration

Most of the imigrants that imigrate to Europe are the Indish, not Muslims. And the Indish are the enemy of both the Muslims and the Chinese.

Regarding the tensions between Europe and the US, here's what Moretti has to say about that.

What the american policymakers need to understand once and for all is that nobody on this planet wants a corrupt world policeman. We simply don't need it. Chinese, Russian, French, Germans, Belgians, Spanish, Italians, British, Africans, South-Americans, Indonesians, Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Iraqis, Palestinians, Koreans, nobody wants or needs the US. We have no problems amongst ourselves, the problems are created by the United States who doesnt want the world to unite, because it might not serve the maximization of their financial institutions profits, and who instead wants to export their ideology of greed and their lies. Two or three more years of international rowdyism, and we'll all be allied against you. (In fact we already are) Now if you stopped your thuggishness and tried to think instead of killing people that don't submit to you, that would be a first step towards reinsertion of the US into western civilization. Nobody will support your crazy subintelligent politicians, so quit complaining about lack of international support for your homicidal mania. Get a different system instead, one in which greed is not the top deity, and in which the journalists don't need to lie to you every day.

For this post, Moretti should get applause from ATS staff.