Lucid dreaming experiment

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Thats what I mean by "shared". We could both describe the dream and remembered the same things happening.

Amazing!

Isn't strange how science is not investigating such matters! (I actually take that back because the US have previously conducted a lot of top secret research on such topics during the cold war).

When you awoke did you remember the events like a regular dream (bits and pieces) or did you remember everything like you would if you exprienced the events in the 'physical world'?

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Its no big deal really...happens sometimes.


Whether you remember the whole thing like a tapestry of events or only little snippets here and there differs, depending on how lucid you were during sleep and how lucid you are during waking...I guess.

I use to use Lucid Dreaming all the time back in 1980 ... use to drive my now X-husband crazy how I'd pop out of bed in the middle of night after resolving a
work related problem.

What I've learned today ... most lucid dreaming will lead you into and thru
remote viewing.

By the way I keep seeing the toothy grin of a chessire cat

[edit on 23-5-2008 by Skydancer]

My X-wife used to have lucid dreams about me having affairs with other women even though they are not true!

And I paid dearly for them...

Could be fun but also false and dangerous?

If they can change human behaviour and thinking then one should certainly proceed with caution.

Damn demons.

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What do you mean? He was aware of his dream but still he let you have affairs with other women? How can he be upset then, if he was "directing" it all along? If that's the case, that really sucks... Otherwise I just don't get what you're saying.

Originally posted by Djeisha
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What do you mean? He was aware of his dream but still he let you have affairs with other women? How can he be upset then, if he was "directing" it all along? If that's the case, that really sucks... Otherwise I just don't get what you're saying.

Oh no. Sorry if you misunderstood my post.

My wife had lucid dreams of me and another women (even though I did not exprience the same dream).

I hope that clears it up.

And yes, it 'sucks'.

[edit on 23-5-2008 by Jinni]

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Hah, I'm living in my own very special bisexual world, lol. Sorry.

But still, the same question: if she was somehow "directing" her own dreams, then how could she get upset with you? Are you sure we're talking about the same thing here?

Hello, I have lucid dreamt since I was around the age of 8 or 9, consistently. I find that I lucid dream at least 98% of my dreams, I usually have to stop myself mid dream, and focus on just taking a more passive attitude and letting the dream take its own course, which is pretty tough to do (rarely can I actually do it). Is very annoying, really, as I rarely find myself with any "rested" sleep. As for this experiment let me explain my own experience with this.

My best friend and I have talked extensively on the subject as she too is a lucid dreamer. We tried exactly this (to meet in dream) nightly for a 3 week period with only marginal success. We did both dream of the same places, same weather, same observations of the surroundings, ect. but we never did find each other there.

It could have very well just been "us" not experiencing anything. But it did put the doubt in my mind of whether it could be done. If you would like, I would be willing to join in this project and give it another go. Maybe my emotional ties with her were too strong. Let me know if I can be of assistance.

for this thread.
Thanks

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I think when you are in a lucid dream you can control your actions, conjure things etc. But she did not direct her dream to see me and this other women. It was just there and she was observing.

Originally posted by Cheyracingchick
Hello, I have lucid dreamt since I was around the age of 8 or 9, consistently. I find that I lucid dream at least 98% of my dreams, I usually have to stop myself mid dream, and focus on just taking a more passive attitude and letting the dream take its own course, which is pretty tough to do (rarely can I actually do it). Is very annoying, really, as I rarely find myself with any "rested" sleep. As for this experiment let me explain my own experience with this.

My best friend and I have talked extensively on the subject as she too is a lucid dreamer. We tried exactly this (to meet in dream) nightly for a 3 week period with only marginal success. We did both dream of the same places, same weather, same observations of the surroundings, ect. but we never did find each other there.

It could have very well just been "us" not experiencing anything. But it did put the doubt in my mind of whether it could be done. If you would like, I would be willing to join in this project and give it another go. Maybe my emotional ties with her were too strong. Let me know if I can be of assistance.

for this thread.
Thanks

Sometimes, when you really desire something (and I mean REALLY) you get a lucid dream about it eventually. Whether it be a 'wet' dream/see or talk with a women.

What might happen is that you both set off wanting to see the same thing and eventually you do.

But

To know if you have both truly entered the same dream then one needs to identify specific actions or events that make coincidence unlikely.

For example,

+ What clothes were you wearing and colour (if you manifested as humans that is).

+ location

+ weather

+ event going on around

+ communicated messages

etc.

It would certainly be worthwile doing an experiment with well thought out test case that would remove the possibility of coincidence and provide evidence for true 'entaglement' between two or more people.

That would be the ultimate evidence.

Originally posted by Jinni

Sometimes, when you really desire something (and I mean REALLY) you get a lucid dream about it eventually. Whether it be a 'wet' dream/see or talk with a women.

What might happen is that you both set off wanting to see the same thing and eventually you do.

But

To know if you have both truly entered the same dream then one needs to identify specific actions or events that make coincidence unlikely.

For example,

+ What clothes were you wearing and colour (if you manifested as humans that is).

+ location

+ weather

+ event going on around

+ communicated messages

etc.

It would certainly be worthwile doing an experiment with well thought out test case that would remove the possibility of coincidence and provide evidence for true 'entaglement' between two or more people.

That would be the ultimate evidence.

I agree. I feel lucid dreams are the point at which you have the ability to dream of a subject interactively or when given a choice in a dream you can consciously choose. ie: Thinking I want to dream about being in an elevator, and you do. OR you are in dream previously and find yourself walking down a hallway, lucid dreaming gives you the choice of (including but not limited to, as there are no limits) #1 turn to a doorway beside you #2 can continue walking down the hall #3 turn around and walk back the way you came #4 can speak to someone in one of the surrounding areas #5 turn and fly out a window,...ect.

In my experiment we were able to confirm the exact place in which our dreams took place, although no specific place was stated to begin with. (a park meditation garden, which after the first appearance of this place we decided to try to meet in the same place as it was known and could be easier) After the first night we sat down and spoke about our findings. We were able to produce the same images and finish each others sentences on what we had witnessed. (In retrospect we should have independently wrote our memories insted of discussing them But that is hindsight) Specifically we were able to agree on the status of the environment:

*the fall season, 4 leaves adorning a statue
*the absence of flowers except for 3 purple lillys near the base of a fountain
*the overall Grey dull tone that accented the leaves
*there was a dark dark Grey bird perched on the bench that led to a pond
*there were no other persons present.
*there was no noises that could be heard at all, the fountain was running yet silent.
*there were pennies in the fountain
*the smell of roses were present

I am positive there were more exact coincidences we found but I can not remember them at this time.

***
I understand that the lack of written documentation of this does give way to the possibility of criticism or even doubt. That being said, all I can offer is my word and you may take it as you like. I am giving my account of how it honestly happened. Hope this helps someone understand how someone who experiences this, feels about the subject. Enjoy

Originally posted by Cheyracingchick

Originally posted by Jinni

Thank you for your detailed response.

I would first like to say that I believe in the phenomenon.

Unfortunately, I have no evidence to prove it to others.

The feedback certainly looks interesting and the detail does indicate that there IS a real connection. BUT, this is based on the assumption that the results from the experiment have not been biased or unintentionally perturbed in anyway.

For example,

Did you take the accounts of the individual people separately? Quite often there is psychological effects where individuals in the minotrity change their story to fit with the majority and they don't know that they are doing it. There are a multitude of other factors and influences that can take part unknowingly.

To sum up.

If i take the evidence as you put it then, yes, I am convinced (well almost until I do it myself).

If the results haven't been biased or influenced then it is probably ultimate proof.

EDIT:

Originally posted by Cheyracingchick
(In retrospect we should have independently wrote our memories insted of discussing them But that is hindsight)

You said it already.

Would you like to take part in real scientific experiment from which I could write an academic paper?




[edit on 23-5-2008 by Jinni]

I was an active lucid dreamer in the past but let it go.

After reading htis thread I had a dream last night (semi-lucid) where a foreginer took part.
Location: A grey room with a grey large table. Matt metallic.
I was in communication with someone else not from this world (ok I know how this sounds but this is not so unusual in my dreams). The one wondered about some technical details how we handle graphics in our computers. At the end he (my impression was he was male) showed me a picture of his home. During the whole time there was a man sitting with us at the table and was not telling a word but just observing the scene.
He wore a blue-white stripped T-Shirt.
Also not that unusal that there are foreign visitors in my dreams.

But who knows maybe by a very coincidence it was one from here?
So does anyone here remember to had a dream in the last 18 hours where a stranger (i dont know what I wore) was talking with an ET in a grey room and a metallic grey table?
Don't think so but just thought why not share it if we just have it about meeting in lucid dreams. Who knows.

Originally posted by g210b

I was an active lucid dreamer in the past but let it go.

After reading htis thread I had a dream last night (semi-lucid) where a foreginer took part.
Location: A grey room with a grey large table. Matt metallic.
I was in communication with someone else not from this world (ok I know how this sounds but this is not so unusual in my dreams). The one wondered about some technical details how we handle graphics in our computers. At the end he (my impression was he was male) showed me a picture of his home. During the whole time there was a man sitting with us at the table and was not telling a word but just observing the scene.
He wore a blue-white stripped T-Shirt.
Also not that unusal that there are foreign visitors in my dreams.

But who knows maybe by a very coincidence it was one from here?
So does anyone here remember to had a dream in the last 18 hours where a stranger (i dont know what I wore) was talking with an ET in a grey room and a metallic grey table?
Don't think so but just thought why not share it if we just have it about meeting in lucid dreams. Who knows.

Thanks for that interesting story!

Here's a question for the experts: what is the difference but a lucid dream and the standard dream? What is the crtieria for distringuishing? Are all dreams (that involve other people) classified as lucid but there are various degrees?

A side note:
I believe that the incubus sucubus, jinn, demon, ghost, spirit etc. was around long BEFORE mankind. Most prophets in the major relgiions had encounters with them Solomon, Jesus, Muhammad (peace be upon them all) and have been documented in sacred scriptures (Quran, Bible, Gospel of Barnabas etc...).

If these creatures were around long before mankind and were free to do what they like (given willpower) then it is conceivable to think that they must have had some sort of R&D technology etc. Since this has probably gone a very different route to mankind technology (remember computing technology popped up over the past 100 years which is nothing in the grand scale of things) these creatures may be interested to know, use and exploit such technology too. It could be that they are doing some R&D.

Alternatively, all that I said might be rubbish and it was just a dream. There's a lot of literature and info on the internet on computer graphics for those interested anyway, I can't see why they would go through the trouble. Jinn however...

Thank you for your detailed response.

Thank you for being open-minded yet attentive to detail. I respect someone who can look at something from all sides.

I would first like to say that I believe in the phenomenon.

Unfortunately, I have no evidence to prove it to others.

LOL... here in lies the problem with all non-physical theory or in all religion. If I had written a book on this, it could be hailed as a "story" or as "ultimate proof" depending on who read it and their own conscious. ie: the bible, any dream, OBE, paranormal, or extraterrestrial book... the list could go on forever. If I could take a video camera and plug it into my brain I would..lol I think it is always going to be up for speculation.

For example,

Did you take the accounts of the individual people separately? Quite often there is psychological effects where individuals in the minotrity change their story to fit with the majority and they don't know that they are doing it. There are a multitude of other factors and influences that can take part unknowingly.

As for this. There was only my friend and me involved. There was no reason for the trial, just boredm I guess. We were friends so I am sure there was some connection there.

EDIT:

Originally posted by Cheyracingchick
(In retrospect we should have independently wrote our memories insted of discussing them But that is hindsight)

You said it already.

Would you like to take part in real scientific experiment from which I could write an academic paper?

I would be interested but am going to sound like a "tool" as I would not be able to do anything immediately. I am in a big crossroads in my life, moving away and I havent been in the mindset for any experimentation.

Now I must go as where I live is under a Tornado watch and the hail just started... LOL
Adios

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Idea: Take 'nap' or try to go into a lucid dream, fly about the tornado and see if you meet anyone

Joking aside good luck with the Tornado and looking forward to hearing from you again.

Idea: Take 'nap' or try to go into a lucid dream, fly about the tornado and see if you meet anyone

Joking aside good luck with the Tornado and looking forward to hearing from you again.

LOL yeah... I should have taken a nap... it was 2 miles away from the house. *we went chasing it again (same as yesterday). ... went West instead of East and missed it. Caught images of the one yesterday!

But we are under watches for the next 5+ hours and there is another cell to the south of us, so we may have another chance here in an hour or so.

I saw Toto and Dorthy and they said "hi" lol

Originally posted by Jinni
Here's a question for the experts: what is the difference but a lucid dream and the standard dream? What is the crtieria for distringuishing? Are all dreams (that involve other people) classified as lucid but there are various degrees?

By definition a lucid dream is a dream where you know in the dream that you are dreaming. You are aware of that you are dreaming.
That's all.

Now mostly when you are aware that it is a dream you can start to take conciousnes influence of the dream. You can alter it to your likes or completly rebuild it. You can alter time flow. You can repeat sceneries. And you can do thinks like flying, summon thing walk through wlal and other magics.
Usually it requires some training or will to 'bridge' your mind to allow such control especialy if you are rather a ratinal thinking person.

Knowing that you are dreaming in a dream is just one step of awarness.
Still the dreams can be more or less vivide even to the degree that becomes normal day life looking very dull in comperation.

However Lucid dreaming has a shadow side also. Just think about when you start to controll/create everything. You decimate the surpriseing element and with time you start to like normal dreams that just flow more. They are more relaxing and you dont have to 'work' but just let go.

What I personel call semi-lucid dreaming (I don't believe there is a definition for this) is just that letting the dream go it's way and knowing in the backhead or in the subconciousness if you like that it is a dream and you can take controll and change it whenever you see there would be a need to. The later doesnt happen so often.

Once you have experienced lucid dreams you start to see dreams in a different way. Nightmares reduces and the danger experience reduces once you and with you your subconcious knows that there is no real danger in a dream.
But you still can have bad dreams. Mostly this are in connection with loseing the control ability when you most need it. There are dreams you can not control no mater how skille dyou are in dream controling.

The dreamspace is usually a safe playground. One you can enjoy alter do what you like and most importand: learn something. Dreams have a lot to do with learning. Dreams can come in form of lessions or answers of questions you have. To great thing is that you can experience it.

Where you should start to be carefully with lucid dreams is when you break dream barriers or walls in the dream. Then you leave your safe place and you enter the astral plane. This experience are usually the most intense and joyfull and even life altering but whatch your steps there.

Many thanks for that in-depth explanation.

I can say that I have had many lucid dreams in the past. I never tire of them because I always summon up things I desire and satisfy myself. Unfortunately, they don;t come as often as I like.

One point that interests me is the divide between the dreamscape and astral dimension. I'm interested in the OOBE and the interaction with other entities that represent real people in the physical world (for example, two people have a dream where they meet up and when they awake they can report the identical interaction).

Essentially, I'm looking at USING the astral dimension. i.e. Eavesdroping, communicating, searching, socialising etc.)

What do you think. Is it possible without it being all in my head and unreal?

Originally posted by Jinni
Essentially, I'm looking at USING the astral dimension. i.e. Eavesdroping, communicating, searching, socialising etc.)

What do you think. Is it possible without it being all in my head and unreal?

From what I heard it should be possible and real.
But here I can not help because I self never tried to do such.