What do a billion Muslims really think?

These are the kinds of things we should be focusing on when shaping our policy toward the middle east, as well as our perception. But I don't know that this will get too much press coverage.

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I disagree, I think the questions I listed are the things we should be basing our policies towards the Muslim religion on.

In order for their to be peace between the two cultures we must all follow pretty much the same rules, but the Muslims insist that we follow their rules, thus the protests.

Excellent thread-Starred and Flagged. Thank you for posting this rasobasi.

As Bigbert has been stating, there is some seriously misinformed and brainwashed hatred and prejudice flowing around here towards muslims. I hope people can wake up from this westernized, propagandized narrow viewpoint and realize that the actions of a few extremist groups do not sum up the entire populace--Much like our dispicable gov's actions do not sum up what the vast majority of our nation wants.

Most populaces desire PEACE.

Sadly, a few of the most powerful dictate the actions of policy, and those "underneath" them are branded along side...

I hope to see a world one day where this changes, and the differences can be settled diplomatically.

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I see, and whose rules should they go by, ours? First and foremost you need to realize that we are not on some crusade to Christianize the Middle East, our troops aren't on a holy quest. They are there to keep the oil safe. That's it. This is a resource war...McCain said it himself:

www.huffingtonpost.com...

www.youtube.com...

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This is the kind of thing that the middle east is sick of. Being killed for their oil. How is this ok with you?








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A kid told me this one time:

"All the Muslims I meet just wanna Big Mac with fries. What does that tell ya? "

Made me think.

Plenty of muslims where I live, some in my 5 years old son and some in my 8 years old daughter, got muslims friends myself, NEVER had ANY problem with them, some women wear the hijad some don't, they never tried to "convert" me or any of my relatives, while on the other hand we had to askl to the mom of one of my daughter's friend to tell her daughter to stop spreading christians 'things" in my daughter's head...
Of course let's try not generalizing, not all christians are bad

There are also many very well informed people who see considerable reason to be very wary about the actions and activities of the Muslim world, who see a great deal of dishonesty, and barbaric beliefs in the Muslim religion.

What I notice most is the refusal of those who consistently support the Muslim religion to answer the hard questions that legitimately exist about the beliefs of the Muslim religion.

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What are Muslims doing in Africa, Asia, Europe, India, America? Islam spreads violence and conflict where ever it goes. As usual, you won't address these realities.

We are in Iraq because 9/11 occurred. If Islamic extremist had not attacked the U.S. unprovoked, and this is one of numerous times when the U.S. has been attacked unprovoked, then the U.S. public would not have gone along with the invasion of Iraq.

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According to the Christian Bible working on the Sabbath is a sin punishable by Death. Should I stone my neighbor to death when he gets home from work tonight? Should I kill my girlfriend? She's at work right now!

Don't talk about the perverse in one religion when every religion has blood on their hands.








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The huge difference is that Christians do not stone people who work on the Sabbath, and any time radical Christian beliefs are followed it is widely and publicly denounced.

Meanwhile, Muslims carry out honor killings, and when we report these incidences here in the forums, the Muslim response is, "what honor killings, we don't do this. What are you talking about?"

Then the evidence is provided of these atrocities, and no further response is given. Once again, Muslim refuse to answer up to the barbaric practices in their midst.

The Western world does not permit the practice of barbaric religious beliefs, while the Muslim world does. This is something that we most certainly should be concerned with here in the west.

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Sir, the Muslim world does not actually permit this. No one does. But like in America, where we have "religious leaders", cultists if you will, things like FLDS polygamist sects take their place, and do horrible things to children. Christians may not stone people to death, but it has been used in it's many forms to rationalize otherwise deplorable and criminal behavior.

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Sir, the Muslim world does not actually permit this.

SAY WHAT?

The Muslim world does not actually permit what?

The punishment of rape victims?

Jailing a woman for allowing a child to name a teddy bear Mohammad?

Honor killings?

You are the one who is badly misinformed.

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What are Christians doing in all of those places too?

Evidence Iraq Had nothing to do with 9/11:

www.washingtonpost.com...
www.washingtonpost.com...
www.whitehouse.gov...
thinkprogress.org...


Enjoy.

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Ah yes, let's ignore the valid points I have brought up and change the subject.

The reason given for the 9/11 attack against the U.S. was because of the U.S. military presence in Saudi Arabia. The U.S. military was in Saudi Arabia as a deterrent to Hussain's military aggression after the first gulf war, at the request of the Saudi government. Sorry, but Hussain's Iraq was involved. What this has to do with Christianity, I don't know.

I think this thread may be an mild example of the problem called the middle east.

What they dislike the most about the West includes: denigration of Islam and Muslims........

No one likes to have their religion denigrated so this feeling is understandable.

As for the actions that Muslims themselves could take to improve relations, those surveyed recommended: respect the West's optimism and values of freedom of speech and religion

If Muslims wanted to improve relations with the west, why does the Muslim world erupt when a Mohammed cartoon is published? Muslims should know that western freedom of speech allows for countless Jesus cartoons. So according to the article, Muslims want to improve relations by respecting freedom of speech (the riots and worldwide condemnation of the Danish cartoons say otherwise) yet they don't really respect freedom of speech if it happens to be about their religious figures.

Now I can understand if a small minority of Muslims were the ones who caused all the rioting but how come finding a Muslim that openly defends the Danish Mohammed cartoons on grounds for freedom of speech is a very hard thing to do?

I am learning more about the bias of the writer and the pollsters than the views of Muslims.

BTW the article doesn't mention that Muslims respect Jesus far more than the "Christian" west does.

Substantial majorities in nearly all nations say that if drafting a new constitution, they would guarantee freedom of speech

They want their own democratic model that draws on Islamic law as a source.

Would a guarantee of freedom extend to those that are ex-muslim and openly speak against the religion of Islam?

wiki info about apostasy

I truly wonder about the people that were in charge of this poll

•While Muslim women favor gender parity, they do not endorse wholesale adoption of Western values.

I really wish that the writer would be more specific on this issue.

I also wonder would would happen when a Westerner would discuss candidly about "wholesale adoption of Western values" when it pertains to women's rights? Talk about the issue of abortion to a Muslim and it will be no different than talking about abortion with a hard "right-wing" pro-lifer.

I smell a rat.

Start speculation....

I smell a media that is trying to cause friction between the Muslim world and the west by stoking religious fears when the real fears are being masked.

End speculation.

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Infringe on our culture? Do you understand chain of events? Cause & effect? We placed our controlling foot on their soil before they stepped onto ours.

Iran will not nuke anyone, stop buying into the rhetoric. Israel is the one we need to keep our eyes on. And I predict in the near future that Israel will be exposed for what it is, sooner than later. A man can hope.

AAC

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Judge not. Unless you'll allow us to come edit your life, purposely looking for the negative.

AAC