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Originally posted by ninecrimes
Originally posted by CRB86
Originally posted by vor78
While I disagree with his actions, he has freedom of speech and expression as protected by the First Amendment.
I know this may come as a shock to you, but your constitution doesn't apply outside America. I will leave you to try and get your head around that earth-shattering revelation.
[edit on 21-7-2009 by CRB86]
Not when you're an American with an M-16 and kevlar.
Come on man, if you're going to be so sarcastic whilst contributing nothing to the discussion at hand- at least come up with something a bit more credible.
Originally posted by dangerouslogic
Originally posted by ninecrimes
Originally posted by CRB86
Originally posted by vor78
While I disagree with his actions, he has freedom of speech and expression as protected by the First Amendment.
I know this may come as a shock to you, but your constitution doesn't apply outside America. I will leave you to try and get your head around that earth-shattering revelation.
[edit on 21-7-2009 by CRB86]
Not when you're an American with an M-16 and kevlar.
Come on man, if you're going to be so sarcastic whilst contributing nothing to the discussion at hand- at least come up with something a bit more credible.
Yes, because "might makes right" is such a credible line of reasoning.
Wait a sec, isn't it one of those newfangled logical fallacy thingies...?
Originally posted by Retikx
hmm. Some yeehaw uses a stack of paper that some silly people have put magical worth into as target practice and OH NOES!!
Some jagoffs use beautiful gorillas as target practice or hey yea i forgot the actual WAR going on in Iraq and many other country's. People dying... children starving..
oh boo hoo for the book. yeap.
Originally posted by ninecrimes
Originally posted by CRB86
Originally posted by vor78
While I disagree with his actions, he has freedom of speech and expression as protected by the First Amendment.
I know this may come as a shock to you, but your constitution doesn't apply outside America. I will leave you to try and get your head around that earth-shattering revelation.
[edit on 21-7-2009 by CRB86]
Not when you're an American with an M-16 and kevlar.
Come on man, if you're going to be so sarcastic whilst contributing nothing to the discussion at hand- at least come up with something a bit more credible.
Originally posted by ninecrimes
Not when you're an American with an M-16 and kevlar.
Come on man, if you're going to be so sarcastic whilst contributing nothing to the discussion at hand- at least come up with something a bit more credible.
Yes, because "might makes right" is such a credible line of reasoning.
Wait a sec, isn't it one of those newfangled logical fallacy thingies...?
I was returning your sarcasm. My apologies for falling into your troll trap.
It's a book, people. Pick your battles, this is one PETTY point to be fighting for. Religion is NOT worth waging for- the way I figure, if you were so sure your religion was supreme, you wouldn't care what anyone else thought of it.
Originally posted by CRB86
Originally posted by ninecrimes
Originally posted by CRB86
Originally posted by vor78
While I disagree with his actions, he has freedom of speech and expression as protected by the First Amendment.
I know this may come as a shock to you, but your constitution doesn't apply outside America. I will leave you to try and get your head around that earth-shattering revelation.
[edit on 21-7-2009 by CRB86]
Not when you're an American with an M-16 and kevlar.
Come on man, if you're going to be so sarcastic whilst contributing nothing to the discussion at hand- at least come up with something a bit more credible.
On the contrary, i was adding a very salient point to the debate. This soldier was not in America and so his actions can't be excused by any aspect of the American constitution, heavy artillery or not.
Many of you are taking the viewpoint that this isn't much of a big deal as you, and evidently the soldier, do not share in the view of the Qu'ran as an important cultural signifier.
Whilst this is fine and dandy, would you be so forgiving if the shoe was on the other foot.
What if, for example, i came to America and started taking potshots at a US flag. I would buy the flag myself, so i could use the 'its my property' excuse as I try and put a bullet through each of the 50 stars. As a non-American this flag means nothing to me, and so it is ok to shoot it. This is the logic that you people are using.
Obviously, i would not do this as it would cause great offence to you, and i have more respect than that. And, ultimately, that is what this whole issue boils down to. Respect.
We are constantly told that this is not a religious war, not a war on Islam. What happened to winning the battle of hearts and minds? Afghans that hear about this will not view America/Britain as the heroic liberation force. They will view them as threats to their way of life.
This incident will do more for Taliban recruitment, not less. Ultimately, ignorant, meat-headed, culturally insensitive acts like this will prolong the war, meaning more deaths on our side.
Originally posted by proteus33
its a flippin book get over it already. its not like its the last copy. if that soldier was trying to make a point by doing this shouldn't his right to express himself be protected under first amendment. i do understand we are over there illegally to limit oil production to keep profits high for oil companies. and no i am not a muslim hater. but its a book last year they wanted to kill a teacher because she picked up a klids backpack that contained supposedly a quran. in my opinion to many people bend over backwards trying to appease muslims. true soldier had poor taste in targets but at least he wasn't using iraqi civilians
Originally posted by ninecrimes
There is nothing you could do to offend me, unless you hurt someone physically. You could shoot A COPY OF THE American flag, shoot A COPY OF THE Star Wars trilogy, shoot a COPY OF A picture of my mother- I wouldn't be hostile and I wouldn't condemn, I would try to understand (and possibly even attempt to educate). In fact, so long as you do so peacefully and in an attempt to convey your feelings- I would shake your hand and understand that you are expressing your feelings (IN A PEACEFUL WAY).
Shoot any inanimate object you want. Shoot the Declaration of Independance if you want... it's just an expression of opinion (again, if no one is hurt). At the end of the day, I'll have my beliefs and you'll have your beliefs. And if everyone thought like I did, everyone would go home to their families to tell them about the "crazy guy" they met, instead of wanting to kill the said crazy guy for having his own feelings. Wow- what a world that would be, huh?
If you are saying that shooting a book is offensive, than I say you are more offensive (and in fact, a THREAT) than anyone shooting any damned inanimate object ever will be!
Originally posted by CRB86
For once, we have to think beyond what we find personally offensive, about the bigger picture. These people don't need any more persuading that our troops are the evil enemy.
I hope you understand where i'm coming from. To me and you, this act is nothing. To them, it is HIGHLY symbolic of a repressive, anti-islamic crusade.
Keep fighting the good fight.
Originally posted by RabbitChaser
I was all ready to write a long rant, but all of a sudden I feel a bowel movement approaching... omg!! No toilet paper!! Well... guess I'll use the next best thing... I always knew there was a good reason to keep this bible next to the toilet...
Religions... the cause of all problems... all 'believers' should be lined up and shot so they can finally determine if they are right or not. Then the rest of us can finally live in peace.
[edit on 5/19/2008 by RabbitChaser]
Originally posted by BASSPLYR
I bet that although they chastized the soldier publicly he is a hero with a whole new handle and call sign back behind closed doors at that military instillation/base whatever/ what this soldier has done in not very extream at all for a soldier. I bet the general went easy on the guy afterwards and told him to keep up the good work.
THese soldiers are supposed to demonize their enemies. they have always done this, it's par of their society and community. It's life or death out there. real people want to kill these soldiers. He is just conditioning himself to be a better soldier. now as far as being ethnicaly conscious. they are soldiers, not part of the peace corp, not a police force, not a bunch of camp councilors their only job is to KILL PEOPLE & BREAK THINGS and to secure locations usually by taking them by force They do not have to be nor should be walking on egg shells to respect a group of people they have been tasked with attacking. WHen everybody other than americans is a potential enemy one does not assume. they train as hard as they can usually in methods that put down or demonize their opposition.
Originally posted by WickedStar
US Soldier Uses the Quran for Target Practice
www.cnn.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A soldier used the Quran -- Islam's holy book -- for target practice, forcing the chief U.S. commander in Baghdad to issue a formal apology on Saturday.
Maj. Gen. Jeffery Hammond apologizes after a soldier admitted using the Quran for target practice.
Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Hammond, commander of U.S. forces in Baghdad, flanked by leaders from Radhwaniya in the western outskirts of Baghdad, apologized for the staff sergeant . . .