Reasons for the mass Governmental Cover-up?

Okay,much speculation over the years as to the 'suppress at all costs',disinformation,and overall secrecy regarding UFO and Alien visitation.Some believe that it is religion based,that discovering civilizations much more ancient than man would upset the religional balance as we know it that has existed in the past 2,000 years,and that chaos would ensue upon realization that we are not only not alone as an intelligent life form,but not the first created as well.

Others believe the suppression is created out of a lust for power and world dominance.The discovery of technology much more advanced than that created of our greatest minds holds not only the potential for weapons advancements far beyond current technology,but travel and energy systems which could basically revolutionize and change our planet all together,the latter which again,if controlled by the powers that be,could create monopolizational power the world over.

I tend to think that the suppression is likely surrounding the weaponry/air superiority potential,a way to stay far ahead of the rest of the world in terms of being the dominant continent.Thoughts?

[Edited on 29-2-2004 by 11thdimension]

I believe that we could not handle the technology.
Look what we did with the atom, imagine us with a whole new batch of toys? Religious and power squabbles taken to a whole new level.

I do agree with the Brookings report finding that more often than not, societies that meet up with more technologically advanced societies usually collapse or fracture. History has shown this to usually be true.

But then again, maybe it is exactly what mankind needs? Another perspective on our condition. A chance to look past our petty differences?
Reagan said it best when he mentioned how quick the world would unite against an alien threat.

There is also the power factor. People in power might think that disclosure or the technology might make them obselete. ie, free power, transportation....

If they do know, then I would doubt that they would risk full disclosure. It is a path that once you go down, you can't go back.

So I don't have to type my own opinion, I am quoting a more concise version of my own thoughts.

Taken from How The CIA Views The UFO Phenomenon

"The purpose of the international conspiracy is to maintain a workable stability among the nations of the world and for them, in turn, to retain institutional control over their respective populations. Thus, for these governments to admit that there are beings from outerspace... with mentalities and technological capabilities obviously far superior to ours, could, once fully perceived by the average person, erode the foundations of the earth's traditional power structure. Political and legal systems, religions, economic and social institutions could all become meaningless in the mind of the public. The national oligarchical establishments, even civilization as we now know it, could collapse into anarchy..." "Such extreme conclusions are not necessarily valid, but they probably accurately reflect the fears of the 'ruling class' of the major nations, whose leaders (particularly those in the intelligence business) have always advocated excessive governmental secrecy as being necessary to preserve "national security."

Was that from the Victor Marchetti book?

It pretty much says what I think, just better.

Originally posted by Facefirst
Was that from the Victor Marchetti book?

It pretty much says what I think, just better.

You are correct.

alot of the buy-bul thumpers would go insane.
most people couldnt swallow the fact that their lives are a giant lie.

I think it goes beyond even that...

1. The government would have to admit that our defenses were (at least at one time) useless...

2. The aforementioned collapse of the structure of government, in the public view of it being no longer relevant.

3. Mass Hysteria, looting, anarchy, as the collapse is realised.

4. That obviously, to avoid all of this, some kind of agreement was reached....which then leads in to...

5. Abductions, sanctioned? Mutilations, sanctioned?

And many, many more aspects and factors...

To be honest, I agree that the coverup WAS needed, but I'm not so sure it is STILL needed... If destruction was what the aliens wanted, they could have done so, just be showing up, and we would have done the job for them...

Agree with many of those points Gazrok.In the end there's no question what the final motivation for secrecy/suppression is:The retention of power and rule.

Greed is a major motivator, jealousy and fear also.

What is the problem with the whole scenario that EBE�s have been here on earth in past history and are at present day?

Why do the EBE�s hide or why did they hide?

Why should religions have a problem with the whole notion of EBE�s if the religions had been researching their own book as the book tells them to do? Lot for example, the messengers sent to get Lot out of Sodom before the destruction. These messengers talked with Lot, stayed at Lot�s home, they also grabbed hold of Lot and his family members and escorted them out of Sodom. So these EBE�s used spoken language had personal contact with Lot and ate a meal with Abraham. If the religions have been teaching their people that messengers such as these one mention above as some mystical, mysterious entity to be reverend then yes, religions will have a problem with the EBE�s coming out of the closet. The religions may even mistake these closeted ones as the coming of their sovereign, if they have not done their homework.

The sciences will have a definite problem with the EBE�s in the closet because the sciences have been teaching all our children we are descendants of monkeys. Creatures specific to earth will all have DNA markers specific to earth not necessarily of the same bloodline or family tree.

The governments, if they had been treating their people fairly would have nothing to worry about if the EBE�s came out of the closet. But if the governments have been offering to the EBE�s in the closet their people for experiments, lie and mislead their people, then yes they may have a lot to be afraid of.

Now what would I do if these EBE�s came out of the closet?
Sit on my deck, drink a coffee, smoke a cigarette and watch the antics.

Three words:

1. Greed - Keeping all the information and technology for themselves.

2. Money - Taking our tax money and putting into these top secret UFO projects. Ever wonder why they don't tell you publicly where some of your taxes are going?

3. Power - If you have Greed and Money than you more likely will want to have power. Look at the rumored NWO already in affect.

Mr. Mulder

I don't think it is all greed and power.

History has show that when less technologically advanced societies come into contact with more advanced ones, the less advanced ones tend to fracture or collapse. Disclosing such info surely poses such a risk. That is a major decision to make and it is one that cannot be undone once it is made.
I cannot imagine the pressure of being in such a posistion. I think if that I might be a bit hesistant to release info that comes with such possible consequences.

Who can truly predict how humanity would react??

I don't know about you guys, but I don't think living through the possible collapse of humanity would be much fun.

Then again, as I posted earlier in the thread, it might just be the thing to give humanity a kick in the arse. To bring the world closer and to see past our petty BS.

Thoughts?


[Edited on 2-3-2004 by Facefirst]

Greed & power is the bottom line. Those in power have always kept a certain amount of information away from others to help maintain the status quo.

Most of the populations on the planet can't handle the truth. Look at all the people the religious fanatics kill already just because they don't believe the same thing.

If the wrong people (not them) got a hold of some superior technology that was far advanced they could use it to their advantage for whatever purpose. As long as there's nothing to look for it's less likely anything will be found.

I don't think greed is the total bottom line.....

The politicians have to live here too.

Would you be so quick to release such information knowing the possible implications?

Yeah, revealing a superior alien race would probably cause some psychological issues that most of us don't think about. Like: 1) They aren't approaching by road, they could zoom right to the roof of your house and do as they please...that is a very unnerving feeling to me. 2) How do you verify anything they say or claim...I can't go to their planet or ask their neighbors. 3) People already distrust America, just think how much they would distrust an even greater power.


I think the govt. doesn't reveal anything because I don't think they know that much. If they knew everything, then maybe the greed/power deal would come into play, but seriously do you think an alien power is going to reveal all their motives to us?? Did the aliens just hand over to the military some documents that said "Alien Truths: Everything You Wanted to Know About Us But Were Afraid To Ask". How is an earthbound species going to challenge the claims of a race that lives in space and probably has a planet(s) thousands of light years away. Hell we barely know what is on the moon and mars.


I have a feeling the aliens will never ever reveal themselves because it really doesn't help them and it doesn't help us. And as I said in another post, until they meet with an egoless and powerless group on our planet...such as a Buhddist community (who in my opinion is one of the best representations of evolved humans)...then no one will ever trust them; someone will always worry that the aliens are playing favorites with a certain country/race/religion. And then you'll have even more hate and terrorism!

Nope...the aliens aren't going to reveal themselves to us or the government.

I always think of the children's Birthday Party scene from the movie "Signs."
I have a funny feeling that that is the way most of us would react to seeing an alien in the flesh.

then again, i could totally be wrong!

History has show that when less technologically advanced societies come into contact with more advanced ones, the less advanced ones tend to fracture or collapse.

NOT SO

WW2 Germany nazi's? MUCH more advanced than allies BUT allies won.

One could take the position that ET has been around for a long time, helping the elite to control the "lower classes," through total control fabrications and critical mass networking. Just as a sheepdog can control hundreds of sheep, the elite control the masses by stationing compatriots at critical points in the communication process. They lead the masses into irrational wars, presumably for some "experimental purpose," some vile entertainment that ET in one of it's controlling forms finds some purpose most likely continuing subjugation.

Ask yourselves the right questions, I mean doesn't it appear that very many decisions of government seem to be "alien," something strange and bizarre when you really study history?

Is it not the case that this has accelerated tremendously just the past two years?

Haven't you noticed that almost nothing the government is doing and especially currently, is not for the commons but designed to maximize next quarterly profit for the elite? Doesn't that profit really really transpire properly when the vast majority of people is working at maximum salary and potential? The principle of course is from Henry Ford, it is called "making it up on volume."

I would say even the elite have been duped, that no human decision maker could possibly, when engaged at any reasonable level of social responsibility, do voluntarily what is being done in this day and age. It is a fact that when the commons suffers, the overall value index of the wealthy also suffers. Paper may be there but the overall commodity value is the ticket.

I suggest some vile aliens are creating economic chaos and wars, and the elite are a little less trapped than most people, but possibly just puppets anyway for
incalculably socially deficient but technologically advanced creatures.

[Edited on 10-3-2004 by SkipShipman]

Blobby,

I don't think you understand the context. We are talking about never having had contact with anyone on the outside. In our case, outside our world.

I am talking more along the lines of what happened to Native Americans or Pacific Islanders when they came into contact with Europeans. They had no concept......

While the Japanese on the other hand, learned, adapted, caught up and became strong. Perhaps they are the example we need to use in regards to first contact.

[Edited on 3-3-2004 by Facefirst]

Well, what if the aliens have already been trying but we just don't know how to communicate with them? Or maybe, several governments of the world are capable of destryoing alien craft, so they may have actually threatened the aliens and told them that if they try making any form of contact, then they would destroy them...also on the other hand the aliens may have told us the if we expose their true existance to the public, then we would be the ones who were destroyed. There are really many different possibilites, but I still have to go with those three guesses.

J.

11thdegree: yes I believe the US government has found these technologies and knows all.

Facefirst said:

I believe that we could not handle the technology.
Look what we did with the atom, imagine us with a whole new batch of toys? Religious and power squabbles taken to a whole new level.

Facefirst: dude, the US has taken over the world through Internet and computer globalisation and technological advancement, I think they CAN handle these technologies and 'toys' as you put it Also, I must include other technology they have reverse engineered such as microwave, infra red, wireless, television, radio.