An Experiment in Alternative Methods of Earthquake Prediction

reply to post by lasertaglover

Hi Laser,

sorry for my delayed reply. About the empath question. Answer is yes. Have been for as long as I can remember, even before I knew it had such a name. And yes, it's one of the things I watch out for when I feel strong emotions that just come in out of nowhere -- meaning I cannot connect them to anything going on in my immediate environment.

I suspect that this may be a far more common thing than is generally admitted. These days, we are socialized in the "developed" parts of the world to "not believe in" such things -- as if belief is actually the issue. Acceptance or denial is the real issue and we're educated to deny a lot of things, like the so-called "sixth sense". (As if there's only one extra sense we may have and not several! )

The "location" problem is a big one but I believe it may be possible to resolve it. Fundamentally, this all comes down to energy in its various forms and we have seen what can be done with some forms as they are "discovered" and eventually utilized. Tests are devised to confirm the existence of whatever energy form is suspected, then eventually people figure ways to accurately measure and quantify it, and sometimes build machines to either produce it or detect it more precisely.

After all, it's not been that long since science confirmed that some quakes cause geomagnetic changes, then they found that there can be ionospheric disturbances as well. What else will they find?

The holy grail is to figure out how it is that some people seem able to sense quakes before they occur and even "know" where they might occur and roughly when. As I've probably said before, I think it's through sensing energy of some kind, perhaps even related to time anomalies. (Time and energy are apparently connected.) If through science that energy (or energy transfer) can be confirmed and eventually detected by devices, then predicting quakes could become akin to the process of detecting hurricane formation and predicting when they'll happen and where.

And wouldn't that be something?

Mike

reply to post by lasertaglover

Laser, did you happen to notice any cars or other traffic on the roadways?

In Japan, they drive as they do in the UK and Australia -- on the left. Most other Asian countries they're like the USA. So that detail would either leave Japan out of the picture for location or make it a near certainty.

reply to post by rbkruspe

Hi rbkruspe,

just wanted to say that I appreciate your posts and I'm sure we all do. It's great to have your input and insights.

If you sense anything specific please feel free to post.

Oh, regarding the 3 am thing -- I think it's partly because it's the time of night when the vast majority of people are asleep. The air seems clearer, if we can put it that way. And years ago a friend who was a nurse told me that it was around that time of night -- from about 2 am to 4 am -- that dying people most often tended to slip away. The docs used to say (she told me) that it was because the human body is at its lowest ebb around that time, but she wondered if there were other reasons as well.

Anyway, I just thought it was interesting. I know that when I used to work nights at a gas station I loved to get outside in the wee small hours and watch the sky. Peaceful times, they were.

Best regards

Mike

reply to post by wasobservingquietly

Hi WQ,

my last post for the night while I hog the thread in everyone's absence!

Great to hear from you! Sounds like you had a wonderful time. Hope your trip home is totally uneventful.

The ear ringing: that's very interesting. I wonder if it's to do with the latitude? Will be great to talk about it with you in more detail when you're back home and have recovered from your trip.

Best regards,

Mike

reply to post by MamaJ

Hi MamaJ,

to avoid thread drift I've sent you a U2U in response to some of what you've talked about.

Regarding the eventual possibility to predict quakes via technology -- yes, I really believe this might be possible. Some might say that the experts are basically doing this now to some degree, but generally they are looking at averages and trends in fault systems and often on a fairly localized level. (eg the studies of SoCal and the faults there.)

True, scientists in various disciplines already look at a range of factors related to quakes and tectonic movement and so forth -- and to a far greater extent than they did even a couple of decades ago; the key problem is tying it all together in a formalized way that will allow for high levels of consistency in the results. And I feel that there are still new aspects of energy storage and exchange that need to be discovered and investigated so that they can be incorporated into the "quake energy models" that will be needed to develop the hardware and software required to predict (or "forecast") these events.

Along with this, more study has to be done of the human/animal effect aspects. We're only scratching the surface but sometimes even small efforts uncover some remarkable things

With many aspects of our planet, there are ways that different forms of energy influence the environment and all within it, both at the macro and micro levels. We see this with tides -- long since understood to a fair degree, wind, rain, thunderstorms and other common features that are the physical evidence of energy exchange. Quakes are another aspect and as I said way back in thread maybe three years ago, I feel that quakes are something like the weather: small changes in one place could lead to large changes elsewhere.

In other words, some kind of "1+1=2" method of analyzing quakes, their energy and its interactions is simply not going to cut it. It's my belief that there could be a "Butterfly in Beijing" aspect and if this is overlooked or simply discarded as implausible, then the process of understanding how quakes really work is never going to get near to the seeing the bigger picture. Sometimes, it could be that "1+1=5" and other times it may well be that "1+1=0" (or even a minus number) -- in a given time and location.

It's not like hitting an old wall with a sledgehammer to slowly knock it down in chunks. That's fundamentally what's behind tectonic plate theory, but while it's invaluable as a model it's far too simplistic and doesn't even explain all the known, observed interactions. The planet is much more complex and the three-dimensional, multi-layered and near-spherical nature of the total system has to be considered. It's more like hitting that same wall and making cracks, while at the same time other parts of the wall collapse completely -- and yet others rebuild themselves or change shape, or get stronger, with no clear and apparent cause and effect relationship!

Not a good analogy but it's just to give some idea of how I see it. We are dealing with what's effectively a closed system. We have a major external energy source -- the sun, a major internal one -- heat energy within the planet, and secondary inputs from gravity and spin and related forces. To ignore any of these is fraught with risk -- the risk of missing out a vital piece of the whole puzzle.

Mike

reply to post by MamaJ

Well, I don't think half of California is about to slide into the sea a la "2012" (the movie). It is splitting along an axis, but rather more slowly. Like in a few million years it'll look quite different.

But on a more localized scale of time and place, it has been a few years since the last substantial quake there so it's just a matter of when the next one is. Some scientists are more concerned about SoCal and especially the southern part of the San Andreas Fault (system) because there is a largish section that hasn't moved a lot in something like 150 years if I recall correctly. The last expert assessment I read suggested that up to around a magnitude 8.1 - 8.2 was possible there and that's pretty huge, even compared to the SF quake of 1906.

You know, considering the lives that could be saved if people had reliable warnings, it's pretty sad that TPTB are not putting vastly more funding into things like quake prediction/forecasting research studies. Surely in the long run it would be worth it.

Mike