Help! We dont fit the stereotype!

reply to post by Skyfloating

Actually there are several other Libertarians running, and other parties as well. Here is a list provided by Bandit795 in another thread.

www.politics1.com...

I didn't know there were so many myself until looking at this. We just never hear about them in the MSM.

I think Ron Paul would have the largest following if he ran on the Lib ticket. I thought he would switch from republican after McCain won the nomination, and maybe he will. Historically, Ross Perot was the one that showed us a third party can be done, though he spent a lot of his own money to do it.

reply to post by Hal9000


Ive often thought that supporting the libertarian party would be a good small stepping stone to more intelligent and more open politics.

And many libertarians do see it the same way: They are not fixed to a certain dogma, they just want the "best of both sides".

Im glad there are so many here who see this.

Come to think of it...

...wouldnt it bring some fresh air into U.S. Politics and a sense of competition and obligation if we had a 5-party system, like in many european countries?

In Europe its normal to have:

A fascist party
A conservative party
A liberal party
A socialist party

add to that a libertarian party and we´d be well on our way into the 21st century.

reply to post by Skyfloating
IMHO the only way to give responsible and responsive government is to abolish the delegates system, write a job description of attributes and skills that we require of our public officials voted on and approved by a POPULAR VOTE, have public annual reviews and agreed upon goals also approved by popular vote. If any government publicly elected official is inept or worse - they lose their job in year; otherwise keep them in office as long they are performing.

I think you are correct that we have little or no choice and little or no effect on the current form of selecting what are the most important jobs in the USA. Think team building instead of a ruling class. I do not personally know very many national government figures, but of the ones I do know, Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura are the only ones I really trust to be both competent and have OUR best interests as a priority.

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That reminds me...


when I see how corporations are run, how employees and bosses are chosen, how they teamwork together, I cant help but thinking: "Isnt this possible for politics as well?"

What company has a year-long election race full of bile and slander towards the other candidates? None.


[edit on 14-5-2008 by Skyfloating]

reply to post by Skyfloating
Jesse Ventura proved that these sucessful coporate techniques could work in Minnesota.

He was under constant attack from the "good ole boys' network and the media which he was not really very adept at placating.

To my knowledge he is the only state official that ever returned tax $ back to the citizens.

I think it's funny that people believe there is a difference between liberal and conservative in anything but lip service. From where I sit it looks like the government does what it does no matter who is in office.

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

So do you think if Al Gore had won the election in 2000, that we would have invaded Iraq? I think not. There is some difference, IMO. We still would have gone into Afghanistan after 9/11, but not Iraq.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
I think it's funny that people believe there is a difference between liberal and conservative in anything but lip service. From where I sit it looks like the government does what it does no matter who is in office.

I can confirm this by noticing that my life doesnt change no matter who is in office. Which is why I personally dont need much government. Maybe some management on infrastructure, economy, education and healthcare, but thats just about it.

People overestimate the importance of government.

librertarian, i say that new guy just entered but whatever you do VOTE!!!!

We think we have a choice. The right wing and left wing come from the same bird.

If you're sick of america, move to canada!

Here´s a question to all:

Where do you think more conspiracy-theorists come from....the left wing or the right wing?

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Where do you think more conspiracy-theorists come from....the left wing or the right wing?

Well to start with the question is at odds with the notion that such labels are meaningless and designed to divided people . That aside if you accepted that in some places there is meaning behind the terms conservative , Liberal or behind the political party's there are genuine idealogical differences you are still left with the differnt political leanings worldwide .

A better question to ask is does the idea being put forward stand up to rational scurrility(SP?) ?
I have found that the majority of topics in the Breaking News forum have failed this test of late because they are utter dribble . If Bush said the Earth was round some members would dig up reports from crack pot websites that say otherwise .

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Where do you think more conspiracy-theorists come from....the left wing or the right wing?

I think the right hatches more conspiracies, and so it is the ones on the left that point them out. That would make the left more conspiracy theorists.

At least that is my theory.

reply to post by Hal9000


Maybe when the left is in power CT comes from the right, and when the right is in power CT comes from the left.

reply to post by xpert11


Very true. Im all for keeping an eye on the government and critisism, but the Breaking News Forum is often just childishly lashing out at anything in a position of perceived authority.

reply to post by Skyfloating

After reading a few of your posts in this thread it is clear to me that you really are lost. All you are saying is that basically you give up because you think that there is no hope and no choices. It may be true that we are limited between the two parties, but anyone who thinks that there is no difference hasn't kept up with current events or has not looked any further than what they watch on television.

You asked about conspiracy theorists and after I said most conspiracies come from the right, you say that they come from both sides. Well let me ask you, what conspiracies do you think have come from the left in recent history?

I could read off a list of those that came from the right. How about the Iraq war? This war was planned long before Bush took office under the PNAC group whom were neo-conservatives like Cheney and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz who were the architects of the war. In 1998, they requested that Bill Clinton should start a war long before 9/11, which he refused.

The minute that the Taliban were removed in Afghanistan, these oil barons started building a pipeline that bypassed Iran, from the Caspian Sea to Pakistan, which they had been trying to do for 10 years before 9/11. They even supported the Taliban in their fight against the Northern Alliance because they thought the Taliban would allow them to build the pipeline. It was when they didn't give permission they soon became our enemy.

There are countless others. So now I ask you Skyfloating to list the conspiracies that have come from the left, and we will see if they can compare to what has been going on for the last few years.

I can't see how anyone can't realize that this country is quickly becoming a fascist state and the reason is because people like you that are letting it happen. I don't agree with everything the left represents, but I certainly will not support a party that thinks it is ok to start wars and kill people for corporate interests.



[edit on 5/17/2008 by Hal9000]

Originally posted by Hal9000

You asked about conspiracy theorists and after I said most conspiracies come from the right, you say that they come from both sides. Well let me ask you, what conspiracies do you think have come from the left in recent history?

If you take ATS as any example of where C-Theories come from then Im surprised you are missing all the extrem-right-wing conspiracy theory.

I could read off a list of those that came from the right. How about the Iraq war? This war was planned long before Bush took office under the PNAC group whom were neo-conservatives like Cheney and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz who were the architects of the war. In 1998, they requested that Bill Clinton should start a war long before 9/11, which he refused.
The minute that the Taliban were removed in Afghanistan, these oil barons started building a pipeline that bypassed Iran, from the Caspian Sea to Pakistan, which they had been trying to do for 10 years before 9/11. They even supported the Taliban in their fight against the Northern Alliance because they thought the Taliban would allow them to build the pipeline. It was when they didn't give permission they soon became our enemy.

There are countless others. So now I ask you Skyfloating to list the conspiracies that have come from the left, and we will see if they can compare to what has been going on for the last few years.

The right-wingers will make lists of the Cs coming from the left and vice-versa. If you dont see it from both sides, you are biased towards the left. Not that thats anything bad at all of course.

I can't see how anyone can't realize that this country is quickly becoming a fascist state and the reason is because people like you that are letting it happen. I don't agree with everything the left represents, but I certainly will not support a party that thinks it is ok to start wars and kill people for corporate interests.

People like me are letting this happen?


[edit on 17-5-2008 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by Hal9000

After reading a few of your posts in this thread it is clear to me that you really are lost. All you are saying is that basically you give up because you think that there is no hope and no choices.

On the contrary. The whole premise of this thread is: We want more choices.