God is fake!

reply to post by jimmyjackblack

Disclaimer: I'm atheist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholarand scriptural skills. Also I'm not a scientific expert in any field.

jimmyjackblack you state and I quote "You can't prove the Big Bang happened, nobody can, it's just a theory." Well we can but try and the CMB (cosmic microwave background) map investigated by the WMAP satellite provides near conclusive evidence of it having actually happened and I provide the wiki link for it here
. Theories need to bee falsifiable and the Big Bang theory was not falsified by the WMAP experiment (Steady State Theory was Falsified!!!)and therefor must be taken as most likely real until other evidence is provided for or against. Can you falsify your theory of GOD? If not is it even a theory or is it just baseless statements?

Personal Disclosure:Its my understanding Science evolves its understanding and has never said that it doesn't do this! You are right Science is not "FACT" as Facts are Facts and Science just helps us work them out with a rigorous repeatable algorythym of Scientific investigation and peer review. "Sciences" only real fact is that it works!

P.S. I direct you to the scripture I posted in my reply to the O.P. to show you directly the YHVH of the Bible is not a nice GOD (as the O.P. was trying to impart). (I can also provide you more if you ask)

reply to post by Pagani

Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I'm no scientific expert in any field.

Personal Disclosure: Pagani your post follows my line of thought exactly so a star for you. Well Done

We are talking about the christian version of God.
Also if every human being that is real has a first an last name then what is gods last name?
There isn't one so how can we prove something fake to be real when he has three letters for a name and nothing else.

OmegaLogos is completley right. Science works and we see this happening every day. Your so called God is a myth that people believe. When people get said or depressed they will believe almost everything. I think God is just a simple solution that someone made up so that he could try to keep the world in peace. We don't see proof that God exists but we do see science work and get closer and closer to proving the unknown.

YOUR kingdom is within you and all around you.

Whatever that kingdom is and whatever it pertains to be, all the best with it!

Just wanted to ask you some questions though out of idle curiousity:

Is your inner and outward Kingdom pure? Free of ego and pride, free of your desires/lusts.

Does your inner and outward kingdom resonate love, peace and harmony?

Just what are you striving for?

I am striving to prove that something is not real. We are lead to believe many things. Most of which are false. I am am tired of following people who are fake. Unless there is hardcore proof. I won't believe anything unless you can show me the real so called God. If he showed up in my living room and had a conversation with me and told me everything is true then i might believe him but he hasnt so there is no god.

reply to post by whitesatan

Disclaimer: I'm atheist but not of the Abrahamic Faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I'm not a scientific/medical/legal expert in any field.

1stly Thanks for the kudo's on the science thing.

2ndly you state "Your so called God is a myth that people believe." and I believe this a response to jimmyjackblack and not to me as I did not bring my GODDESS into the equation at all and in fact I believe I am her only follower on the entire planet and I haven't converted anyone yet! Find out about her here!

3rdly you also say and I quote "We don't see proof that God exists but we do see science work and get closer and closer to proving the unknown" well we would see proof if we defined GOD 1st and then see if it matches with reality....so A) the universe (far bigger than the observiverse) or Cosmos is infinite and so is GOD (Omnipresence) B) the universe knows itself fully and so does GOD (Omniscience) and finally the universe is all powerful and so is GOD (Omnipotence). How come you don't see this as "PROOF"??? and more specifically why isn't it Considered "PROOF"???

Personal Disclosure: I do see it as Proof and I qualify it as such because I don't see the universe being any less than GOD and I see the universe all the time!!! Existance by definition requires a creator state! the Universe created itself from nothing and so created itself. Why can't GOD do this?

reply to post by whitesatan

Disclaimer: I'm atheist but not of the Abrahamic Faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I'm not a scientific/medical/legal expert in any field.

Explanation: 1stly you state "I am striving to prove that something is not real" and I suggest you read up on "Proving a null hypothesis" and how hard or impossible that might be. Basically you can't PROVE a negetive by itself! you can prove a negetive by proving a positive elsewhere (i.e. showing up a contradiction) but GOD by definition is Contrary and so you can't prove a positive 1st and then show that the negative disproves GOD!.

2ndly you say and I quote "I am am tired of following people who are fake" and aren't we all so it behooves us to follow ourselves or even better the actual truth we find for ourselves (not from others!).

3rdly you then say "Unless there is hardcore proof." and I agree with you here as extraordinary claims require extraordinary PROOF. but the universe by default is extraordinary and so its existence basically PROVES GOD's existence. Please show me where my rational logic is flawed.

Personal Disclosure: Please Go stand in front of a mirror and call yourself your GOD and tell yourself that you can and will work it all out as I suggest you are at least a part of GOD and let no other part of GOD surplant you ever from your local seat of deity

P.S. Become Totally disillusioned and finally see everything for real. Think Globally, Act Locally and Feel Internally.

Edited to change a "the" to a "then".

Edited to add P.S.

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God cant do this because he isn't real. If he was real then why is science prooving the Big Bang Theory and not Gods existence. Because GOD IS NOT REAL! Science is not going to waste valuable time trying to prove something that doesn't exist. The Universe is not God. It is space. It is weightless matter that is there. The Big Bang threw everything into motion. It took a very long time but it happened. The Big Bang Theory is the only credible source. Saying that God is the Universe is false because it was said earlier that that God was a person. So how can your so called God be a person and weightless matter known as the universe at the same time. There is no way to prove God exists or existed because everything you have tried to prove has lead back to science.

I'm sorry but I have to call you a troll or ex-member. You just joined yesterday but you already have an avatar (customized to ATS), purchased a mini-profile background color from the ATS store, have your signature filled out, mood filled out, comment section opened, and people added to your friends list.

I called another guy out due to the same reasons HERE.

If I am wrong or if the mods are aware of your situation then I apologize but that kind of stuff stands out to me when I see threads like this that have 'troll' written all over it. There is no way for me to prove it but such things do make me suspicious because it typically takes some time to become aware of all the features and to care about customizing everything.

[edit on 5/13/2008 by AshleyD]

1st off I have watched my friend navigate around this page for about a month during school. 2nd off it is until recentley I have decided to join. 3rdly I asked the same guy to make me an avatar who made my friend an avatar. So back off. I am well aware how to navigate around the website. I have also posted a lot and the guy who made my avatar told me to change my background. So I did.

You shouldn't go around getting the wrong first impression of people you dont know. You shouldnt go around calling people out because guess what. I can almost guarentee that you are wrong about everyone. You know why. It is because you worry to much about what peoples avatars look like and not enough time reading what people have to say. Quit worrying about how long someone has been on the site. It could be someone who has played around with it and learned how to use it quickly. So quit worrying about how long people have been on the site and more time reading what people have to say.

Originally posted by whitesatan
We are talking about the christian version of God.
Also if every human being that is real has a first an last name then what is gods last name?
There isn't one so how can we prove something fake to be real when he has three letters for a name and nothing else.

madonna doesnt have a last name... does that make her god?

No it doesnt because Madonnas full name is Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone.

Look it up if you dont believe me.

reply to post by whitesatan


Very well. I still think you're trolling, though. And still possibly a shill. Kudos to you for replying to me, though. Most people are too chicken if they are guilty so that does speak in your defense.

Take care.

Think what you want to think. I am not a troll or whatever the kids are calling it these days.

whitesatan

" I believe God is an idea created by "

" Since GOD IS NOT REAL "


first of all those two qoutes contradict each other... at first you said it as if you didn't know which you don't, and I appluad that openmindedness...

then you said it with NO OPENM(NDEDNESS whatsoever, and that makes you arrogant as all hell..



secondly... I have seen many miracles, cancer cured from pray in its late stages.. 100,000 of thousands of saints have witnessed miracles, the girl in my signature has as well...


you say God is false, and I say I know he is not, and I have seen his miracles and I know he is active in my life..


You cannot disprove God, that is your arrogant ass speaking... You son have no clue if he is real or not.... Not a clue....


and thus you see it seperates the openmindedness from those who just will give nothing a chance...


go down to the bottom of the page, read my post about saints miracles... will you give anything a chance??


these are the type of atheist that make me want to vomit...



God bless you.,

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Jesusistruth you are completley false. You have never seen a miracle what you have seen is a 1 in many chance that happens occasionally. I didn't say that i can 't prove that God is fake. What I am saying is you cant prove he is real.
You cant see miracles because they dont happen. They are simply pure chance of luck. If 2 million people have cancer I am sure at least 100 will be cured because it is pure luck. That is how the world works. Jesusistruth get your head out of your ass and start looking at the facts. Jesus cant be proven to be real and you know. You are just to ignorant to believe what you want to believe. You probably believe in God because someone told you to when you were young. You didn't know any better to look at the facts which are facts. You believe in God because you are told to. You are just to afraid to believe in what you want to. So get your head out of your ignorant ass and look at the true facts. Stop trying to make people believe in what is not true. I probably can guarentee if you were told to burn every book you read you would do it because you were told to at a young age and you don't know any better.

Jesusistruth those two quotes don't contradict each other. One says that God is fake and the other says that he was made up. The one that says he is made up says that God is not real because he is made up.

You also have no idea if he is real or not because you were taught false information.

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God is a title or description, not a name. Much like Christ is a title. Jesus was a common name way back when the supposed Messiah took on the sins of man in the garden of Getsamane.

God is not a title according to everyone who believes in him. They speak of him as a person. If God is a title then there is no God. Therefore i have proven my point once again. If there is no God then all the information you here about God is completley false and once again proving my point.