UFO over Germany

Blueray, if you are referring to the Phoenix lights from this last april, I have a stong suspicion that was a coordinated hoax. There was a member here who told everyone to lookup on that date in advance and then the flares happened.

So I hope this is not the same. I am glad you are backing up your claims and do post news reports about this sighting as they become available.

The first look at these photos brought to mind a similar string of objects that were reported (on television with video of the objects.)

That event occurred in or around Cleveland in 1998.

You might check this for comparison with what you saw/photographed.

www.metacafe.com...



[edit on 12-5-2008 by garyo1954]

I cannot say because the objects in the video are far away sorry.

Quite alright blueray. I was making the comparison between the pattern, the string of objects, not the actual shape of the individual proponents.

It would be nice to see what SkepticOverlord had to say about this.

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It's fun to see how people ignore the fact that the linked picture looks like the phenomenom we saw. I'm absolutely sure that it were balloons. The link to the paper-made balloons from Thailand is an evidence for me, too. The only problem I have is the speed and the exact distance between them. But I must admit, that I've never used such balloons so I'm not able to say how they behave in the air.

hmh. after seeing the khoom bay (sp?) balloons, i'm for the moment leaning towards the objects being in fact those things. the color matches exactly with what i've seen. the problem i have with this is just that they didn't appear to move like balloons at all. straight line ALL the time (no circle lilke with the other guys), then disappear into thin air almost at the exact same spot in the sky (how probable is that?). plus the formation matches with the pics of the OP, only direction was reversed (left to tight for me, other way around for OP).

i'd like to add that the pic posted by "didyouseethem" looks nothing at all like what i've seen. it's not even the same colour. and the objects in the video posted above don't seem to be it either, as they appear to just sit there in the sky and not move at all. wan't happening here (btw, didyouseethem, where on earh are you making two EBE's out sitting in that orb? i can#t see it for the life of me).

as for me living near the airport: well, we do have a very small airport outside our city, but it's just for really small aircraft, not much airline traffic at all. nearest big airport would be hanover city, but that's 70+ km away, so i don't know if there's any significance in that.

gotta say though, i'm really glad that cenap article showed up, just so you guys can finally stop accusing us of hoaxing this thing and/or being connected to each other (i as welll think that there ought to be some kind of apology, too. it was getting kinda annoying, to say the least). i haven't read it all yet, from what i gathered from you guys reactions to this i'm getting the impression that they're leaning towards the "balloons"-theory, right?

editk, read the cenap-thing now. what a prick, that guy, ridiculing people calling to him looking for an answer. even if he seems to be right about the balloon-theory, i think i'll adopt this as well, unless more evidence surfaces that it wasn't balloons. until then, it's "case closed" for me.





[edit on 13-5-2008 by bluepowder]

Reflection of some kind, definitely not a ufo.

Originally posted by Teki187
Reflection of some kind, definitely not a ufo.

omg.... this hasn't got a thing to do with "reflections of some kind". go reed the cenap article, lots of people saw these things, out in the open NOT inside their homes through a window, or in their cars. how do you see or photograph a reflection when there's no windscreen, window or anything of the likes around? seriously, you should at least read the thread and all of the linked articles before you post your feeble opinion as fact.

Originally posted by bluepowder
hmh. after seeing the khoom bay (sp?) balloons, i'm for the moment leaning towards the objects being in fact those things.

Aren't they also called Chinese Lanterns? Paper or plastic bags with a small candle or oil lamp held by a frame.

The beautiful displays of Sky Lanterns you see in the photos above are shot during the Yipeng Lantern Festival in Northern Thailand. During the Yipeng Lantern Festival Sky Lanterns are known as Khoom fay or khome loi and are released into the night sky as an offering to Lord Buddha.

Source

the color matches exactly with what i've seen. the problem i have with this is just that they didn't appear to move like balloons at all. straight line ALL the time (no circle lilke with the other guys), then disappear into thin air almost at the exact same spot in the sky (how probable is that?). plus the formation matches with the pics of the OP, only direction was reversed (left to tight for me, other way around for OP).

I must admit the most likely explanation is indeed hot air balloons. Why do you say they didn't appear to move like balloons? With constant wind, perfectly straight motion at constant speed is to be expected. The color, constant light (not blinking or changing) are all consistent with this explanation. They were being released one at a time, which explains the trail of lights in a row.

I don't see a problem with their disappearance either. The candles all burned out after a while, this delay was the same if the candles were identical. Without light, the UFOs all "disappeared" at the same place. The falling semi-transparent bags were invisible at this distance at night.

OK I'm debunking myself.
Since you all insist about the straight motion, I must admit I was wrong in my previous attempt to find exotic flight patterns in the photographs. Camera shaking motions are difficult to subtract without any more data, like a video.

Thanks for the honest testimony, much appreciated.

Case closed for me too.

Edit to add the following note:
Wind speed is usually higher at 100-200 m altitude than on the ground. As for the UFOs paths meeting in the distance, this looks like normal perspective to me.

[edit on 2008-5-13 by nablator]

Originally posted by jasonjnelson
And not to sound like a jerk, but have we confirmed that these noob witnesses are on different IP's? Just to kill that idea early and all...

Originally posted by Skyfloating
I hereby announce that IP-comparisons of the members in question all revealed different locations.

Yes.

Originally posted by blueray
I have just been contacted by the police and they said that my case is currently beeing furthered for investigation.

I have checked out a phoenix lights video in another thread and they looked exactly like what me, my friends and my neighbours saw.

I am not saying I saw an UFO or something, I just think that the chances of seeing an UFO are higher than seeing ballons fly horizontaly in a straight line and then meeting up together.

If they are extraterestrial, then the motive for this visite should be speculated as a next logical step of this discussion (As someone previously recommended).

I personally assume that it might be an observational flight, because I live near an Airport, the USA AirForce guy works with flight control. What about the other witnesses, do you live near the airport?

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No airport near here.
I personally don't really believe it are Aliens or Flying saucers what me and my friend saw.
it did however look like what is seen on the pics, only way smaller and not 3 of them, just one.

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Hello there, im new, and I just joined the board, because a member of the german board I am usually on www.freigeistforum.com...
found your conversation in here. And we do have a similar conversation at our board.

in essence what I want to say is that, I myself made the absolute same sighting of 9 flying objects, ballshaped, same height circa, same colour, they were flying in formation of 2 (1 wingmen) again 2 (1 wingmen) then 3 (2 wingmen) and again 2 (1 wingmen)... over Munich Bavaria near to the city center at munich schwabing in the night of saturday the 3rd may to sunday the 4rd may at 23:30 CET. I was witnessing the event with one of my friends. the 9 objects were flying very close together in a height round about 200-300 Meter maximum. I could see them about 30-40 sec. after one by one had disapeared instantly to invisible...they were light orange yellow glowing ballshaped with out any jet sounds or noises to hear.

it was really gigantic to watch, but I didnt had a cam with me so I could not make any pics of them.

I watched the pictures of the actual sigthing you are disussing about, and I am sure theses were the same objects I have seen over Munich.

I have not heard or found anything on the internet if there were any other poeple who witnessed this event. sad but true. maybe some one will come up if there is anybody. I hope so.

That´s all I wanted to tell you all about.

Regards from Munich!

[edit on 13.05.2008 by pachacamaq]

My money's on them being lanterns. Still, if those objects are not flying saucers, then this is a great lesson to all of us on what to look for in images. Even pictures of misidentified objects helps us, as it makes us even better at spotting the unexplained ones.

Thanks for your photos, blueray, and hi from Karlsruhe!

No problem, I will however let ballons up and then photograph them with the same camera settings. If they behave the same and look the same on the pictures then the question is answered. I will keep you guys up to date.

Originally posted by blueray
No problem, I will however let ballons up and then photograph them with the same camera settings. If they behave the same and look the same on the pictures then the question is answered. I will keep you guys up to date.

If your description of them flying past at significant speeds is accurate, then dont waste your time showing us balloon pics.

You´d have to be an idiot not to recognize balloons. And you dont seem to be an idiot.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by blueray
No problem, I will however let ballons up and then photograph them with the same camera settings. If they behave the same and look the same on the pictures then the question is answered. I will keep you guys up to date.

If your description of them flying past at significant speeds is accurate, then dont waste your time showing us balloon pics.

You´d have to be an idiot not to recognize balloons. And you dont seem to be an idiot.

that´s what I am thinking, I must have been an complete idiot If I would not be able to identify them als balloons or chinese burning lampions..

they seemed flying with a kind of propulsion system...like a jet fighter but with out any noise!

but of course people who haven´t seen them with their own eyes must think witnesses must be so damm bloody nerds who can not identify a flying cow from an 747. must be so !

I think everyone can imagine how ballons fly and move or?

Just to clear things up regarding my picture I posted.
The image is of one of these Orange/Red Balls over next doors garden.
My photo should have looked like a close up of one of blurays spheres.
Instead of a pic of a big red ball of light a few hundred feet away It came out like that - blue ? and with detail.At no point did I see anything other than these red spheres materialising and fading out and never any detail.
They were as bright as super troopers ( lights used at concerts ) - they "sparkled" differant colours around the edge , whites , blues , greens
and everything went still and unaturally quiet for the duration.When they sparkled they caused the washing line pole in the garden to cast shadows all around the ground in different directions.As I stood there I "felt" like I was being x-rayed ( I know that does not make sence but that is what popped into my head at the time )

Yes there are balloons causing some reports but at the same time there IS something that is not understood going on above us with these "lights".

I fly large RC planes for a hobby and my son is a pilot - we have never seen anything like this and at the same time move so precisly in the sky.

I would like to see some of these reports plotted on a map and at the same time have the earths rotation taken into account.


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funny but i also felt x-rayed like you named it.

and i didn´t felt very good, i was in a very strange condition the following 3 days... how did you felt the following days?

Some airships do have an internal lighting source. I'm on the fence either way but usually defer to terrestrial vs non-terrestrial. The question would be just how fast can these airships travel? Velocity is the key to me. Don't know of any balloons, lanterns, blimps, etc that have any kind of major propulsion systems and just kind of mosey along....


www.21stcenturyairships.com...

and if they were just ballons, why are the pictures blurred? The guy that made the pics has steady hands. I asked him and he said the long shutter time had to be done because of the darkness.

So ballons do not travel fast enough in order to give a blurring motion usually.