UFO over Germany

Did the other witnesses have minor earthquakes in their region too?

Hey everyone.

I live in Germany as well and did see a similar "phenomenon" last November. If u check local (german) UFO forums you get the idea that there's some kind of "orange ball" flap going on. Reports of sightings are pouring in from all over the country, even my flatmate has seen 'them' by now. It seems that if you spend a clear night watching the sky, there's quite a good chance of spotting some.

What amazes me most about this particular sighting is that the cops said they were going to investigate. I too went to the nearest police station immediately, and the cops wouldnt even believe me a word. I was lucky not having to spend the rest of the night with being tested for drugs. It was so stereotypical, almost funny.

After discussing my sighting with some local 'ufologists' I came to the conclusion that what I saw was indeed sky lanterns. In a recent article on german magazine Der Spiegel, Werner Walter of CENAP (some mufon-like investigative organisation) called them the "sky pest", because he is receiving so many similar reports.

I remember that one night about six years ago, my then girlfriend spotted a single orange orb, flying over her house. Now, six years later, we got formations of orange orbs all over the country. If someone would take the time to check back on availability and sales of sky lanterns in Germany for the last six years, there'd probably be some similarities to be discovered.


Here's another pic from a german forum. Not taken by me.


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Great pictures, thanks for sharing.

After discussing my sighting with some local 'ufologists' I came to the conclusion that what I saw was indeed sky lanterns.

That is a safe bet, 99% of all UFO images are easily explained by balloons, clouds, sky Lanterns, etc. But we should give more weight to eye witness testimony, images can be altered, and people can lie, but when you have a clear trail to the witnesses including image based evidence from the same group, it becomes more believable. Multiple witness from other locations seem to have similar accounts. The description of the objects movement and trajectory makes sky lanterns less likely, the movement appears to be powered and not wind borne. When some of the camera images are flipped or animated, a definite motion along a path can be observed, the bright orange objects can be seen to have a tumbling motion of their own. The objects were described as having come in at a high speed and then slowing and bunching up closer together as if engaging in a rendezvous. IMG_0344 is the clearest and it shows many of the objects following a common flight path. Sky Lanterns can have a similar appearance to these objects, but I do not think that they could duplicate the motions seen.

The description of the objects movement and trajectory makes sky lanterns less likely, the movement appears to be powered and not wind borne.

The formation I saw was moving at a steady pace although there was absolutely no wind at ground level. I was told though that wind speed can change dramatically with altitude, which would explain (at least to me) the objects appearing to be self powered.

Sky lanterns are often ruled out as a possible explanation because they appear to be moving too fast. Having seen orbs/lights/lanterns myself I know that it is absolutely impossible to correctly estimate their distance/altitude in the first place. Unless the witness got a reference point, which I did because on the night of my sighting it had rained a lot and the cloud cover was very dense and low. Had there not been a cloud cover I would have estimated the lights to be at an altitude of at least a couple of kilometers, appearing to travel a lot faster than they actually did. Due to the clouds I could tell that the objects were indeed rather close to me, probably no more than two hundred meters away - thus travelling at a speed a sky lantern would have easily been capable of.

Just another factor that might lead to false interpretation.

When some of the camera images are flipped or animated, a definite motion along a path can be observed, the bright orange objects can be seen to have a tumbling motion of their own.

I think that a definite motion along a path is what points to sky lanterns the most. After all wind blows only in one direction at a time. I've read plenty of eye witness accounts, and not a single time did one light leave the formation or travel along a different path from the others.

In the end it boils down to what one wants to believe. I believe that a rational approach to the whole issue is to be favoured. If I can chose between sky lanterns, space ships, ball lightning and swamp gas, I pick whats by far the most likely.

Werner Walter is not a credible or reliable source for scientific UFO realitions. He is dismissing every sighting with natural phenomena or laterns for no reason.

To the other boardmember from Germany, please check out this article for example refering to Werner Walter with his CENAP "two-men-show".
www.freigeistforum.com...


He was a former "UFO-beliver" and tourned however in to a "Dismisser"

www.gwup.org...

He often turns facts in to non facts, that does not speak for a reliable source.

The funniest thing is that in Germany the authorities accepted him and also promote him as "THE UFOLOGIST SCIENTIST"

In any cases or matters concering UFO´s which are reported to German authorities they forward all informations about sightings and suggest to the witnesses to contact him because he has the universal answer for them...

His standard answer is that: NO UFO EXISTS! It´s all natural phenomena, Ballons or Laterns.

On top he is joining and serving an administration staff whit his companion Hans-Jörg Köhler for the German Agency for Space Matters/Concerns.

And he is been supported from Prof. Dr. -Ing. Harry Ruppe for Spacetechnology from the Technical University of Munich.

No german official authority or even famous Scientist would support any UFOLOGIST who belive in Spacevisitors.

So please research reliable sources before beliving such a suspicious person.

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So please research reliable sources before beliving such a suspicious person.

I was quoting an article about Werner Walter, therefor my source was Der Spiegel, which I regard as very reliable.

Personally I dont care much about Mr.Walter or his background. I quoted the article about him because he keeps a UFO hotline and should be best informed about the quantity of this particular sort of sightings. Apart from that he has nothing to do with what I believe in. Which happens to be logic. If thats Mr Walters approach as well - fine with me.

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"Der Spiegel" is part of the "Springer Presse" like "Bildzeitung" , I belive everybody can imagine the press is being controlled and advised by shadow governments infiltrated cells.

CNN and ABS should be reliable sources too, but why can such big Media Giants support in disclosing for example The Disclosure Project and their National Pressconference in 2001? Why? Because of same matters. Infiltrated cells.

So this magazine is not really independent it is only one of the main press magazines in Germany nothing less.

But surely you can belive what you prefer to belive in. your fee in mind.

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So "Der Spiegel" is reliable to you yes? Well that is your opinion.

And because the "to you" reliable source "Der Spiegel" comments on Werner Walter he is automatically reliable too right?

And you still belive in free press without censorship. Right?

"Conspiracy" and "Propaganda" or "Desinformation" are surly esoterical products. Right?

Well I can not belive those objects I have seen with my eyes were lanterns, sorry no way...

I have not seen them in a height of 3.000 meters.

Can you imagine something that fly´s with a kind of propulsion system in a height round about 100-200 meters would look similar to lanterns which just have termal wind conditions to move in the air?

No "Werner Walter" and no "Der Spiegel" can try to make any suggestions about that to me.

If you "swallow" that it´s your thing... But then I´m sorry for you.

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So "Der Spiegel" is reliable to you yes?

Yes.

Well that is your opinion.

Thats why I said it.

And because the "to you" reliable source "Der Spiegel" comments on Werner Walter he is automatically reliable too right?

He is obviously right on the matter I quoted, as he states his personal opinion.

And you still belive in free press without censorship. Right?

Depends on who owns the press.

"Conspiracy" and "Propaganda" or "Desinformation" are surly esoterical products. Right?

Depends on the context. If its "Ufos over Germany", they are of no relevance in this country.

Well I can not belive those objects I have seen with my eyes were lanterns, sorry no way...

The question is, can you absolutely rule out they were not?

I have not seen them in a height of 3.000 meters.

Neither did I. But as I said, I doubt its possible to correctly estimate the altitude of a dot in the sky.

Can you imagine something that fly´s with a kind of propulsion system in a height round about 100-200 meters would look similar to lanterns which just have termal wind conditions to move in the air?

Well, I admit that on first sight these things didnt look like what I expected sky lanterns to look like. And I admit my first thought was "OMG! UFOS!!". But later I realized I couldnt deny the possibilty of them being sky lanterns. Again, if I can chose between remotely controlled, self propelled spy drones from outta space and floating lanterns from outta Aldi as an explanation, I (have to) chose the lanterns. I know thats not cool. But its rational.

No "Werner Walter" and no "Der Spiegel" can try to make any suggestions about that to me.

You believe that Der Spiegel and its agent Werner Walter are covering up a major UFO flap. Thats your right. I'm not representing the interests of these institutions, I just quoted them.

If you "swallow" that it´s your thing...

Agreeing to rational arguments isnt 'swallowing'. You should try it.

But then I´m sorry for you.

Thanks mate.

I may have seen lanterns that fly as fast as jets and emit no sound out of Aldi . I prefeer Occam's Razor on this one and go for the UFO's, because that is the simpler and more rational explanation!

Why? Because, every sky lantern with that kind of speed would have been torn into bits within Miliseconds! Besides, at the end ALL of the UFO's also suddenly came to a stop and then flew on. Very unlikely Aldi produces sky lanterns with such technology .

I respect however the opion of the debunkers here, I can however assure that if everyone had seen what me, my neighbours and my friends had seen, then ALL of you would believe in UFO's!

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Well I may identify objects in height underneath the height of the Olympiatower in Munich which has an height of some 200 Meters.

And 9 Objects flying very close together in a formation of this:

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with constand speed and direction for everybody clear to see, well I doubt you must be blind or nuts not to see what you may see.

Look I would be really fine with that if they were lanterns for sure.
I dont´like the thought those were real UFO´s because I felt really bad after the sighting about this.

So it´s not me who want´s them to be UFO´s its that what makes me so sure they were no lanterns, belive it or not.

A dot in the sky is another thing than 9 flying objects.

But anyhow that´s your opinion hopefully you be right with that.

If you can imagine a Airshow, you have 5 planes for example 0ne center two left and right winged wingmens they also fly mostly in same altitude ,same speed, same direction... mustly over 200 meters altitude right? And you can see and identify that also clearly or am I wrong?

Why do you think some one can not identify clrealy lanterns from other things that might be UFO´s ??? I mean there are enough samples in the internet in youtube which debunkes UFO sigthings, we can all see how lanterns move and look a like no?

But if you see something else whats that then??? Banana boats?


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I've seen these balls of light aswell. I have a video on here of them,although my video skills aren't up to much. I don't think they're craft,I think they're allert balls of energy. A higher life form,the ones that the kooks (sorry,dramatic effect) say are guarding us from the greys prehaps. maybe they're the ones behind this awakening that's going on. Who knows,all I know is that they're being seen all over the world,and they ain't no sky lanterns.

I might have posted this before but THIS IS one of those red orbs that people say are chinese lanterns.Ha!

This was a red/orange ball of light moving slowly to the left over next doors garden.It was about 6 foot diameter and was just 1 of about 100 that my son and I watched pass low and slow over the rooftops in January
Why the photo came out like this I dont know but make your own minds up as to what it is.

When you report UFOs and you are sure, hand them a picture
of Tesla and indicate he invented the UFO and wish to report
illegal use of his energy devices.

Once in public domain these parts were classified by the US Government.

And 9 Objects flying very close together in a formation of this:

O O O O
O O O O O

Looks a lot like the formation I've seen.

Look I would be really fine with that if they were lanterns for sure.
I dont´like the thought those were real UFO´s because I felt really bad after the sighting about this.

Yeah, I understand. I felt exactly the same way. Took me a while to calm down enough to analyze what I had seen.

with constand speed and direction for everybody clear to see

And thats exactly whats pointing to lanterns. If I had seen just one light move out of formation, I'd gladly have called the cops, the military and the men in black. But I didnt, and neither did you. In fact no one did.

But if you see something else whats that then??? Banana boats?

Well, I dont know what a banana boat is. The funny thing is that once you're ready to accept a paranormal explanation, banana boats are no more silly than protective higher life forms, reptilian shapeshifters and secret alien councils.
So yes, if they were no lanterns they might as well have been banana boats.

Look, I dont want to force my opinion on you. I'm just stating what I believe in, and that may of course be wrong. I hope that you can find a satisfactory explanation to your sighting.

Cool Pictures! I made an animation with 4 of the frames.



Myspace chopped the images to 600. Wide. My animation
is 800x533 in size. I'd like to host it here but I need x posts..

Here's some info about it.

I took your new uploaded 38 meg files and selected the 4
frames to use. I then increased the dpi to 150 and changed
the size to 800x533 in photoshop. I then created an aniimated gif.
I uploaded it to my myspace page. I use myspace for all large
type animations since you can do up to 5 megs. Their bandwidth.

These look like they are tumbling through the sky. It could be
just the movment of you and the camera though

Enjoy!

Nice animation there. I have seen many more video's after my incident that show similiar objects to what I saw. E.g.: video

In the meantime I got the opportunity to film and photograph chinese lanterns. The movement of these objects was much different than in comparision to the objects I saw. If you guys are interested, I can upload the video of the chinese lanterns.

So chinese lanterns can be ruled out.

By the way, I need to edit my original post so I can alternate the links because the original mirrors are down @ admin.

Regards,
Peter

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