At Last! People Are Waking Up To The Hypocrisy and Lies!

Trailgator, (rofl..still...no I didn't mean any rip on the name it was my mistake...I live now and go to school in Florida and I understand your indignity...I'm sorry...rofl)
I voted for Huckabee in the Primary here. But, none the less, you are wrong so wrong. The Florida Supreme Court was handling things just fine but SCOTUS decided it wanted to step in. Nobody wants to hear the debate about what happened, because like you said it is over, but look at the cost to the world. Regardless of that, I stated that 5 people decided the election and there is no debate about that.
I would love to see Ron Paul be a viable candidate so you are going to be hard pressed to partisan me. I want what is best for the U.S. and I want to have some freedoms. Your Bush is just a plain criminal to me.
Gore could not possibly do worse than Bush. Jesse Ventura could not be worse. Amadenajad could do no worse harm, we would at least have stopped him, (I hope).

Originally posted by blimpseeker
Reccomended reading:

MICHAEL CHRICHTON'S State Of Fear

if you know someone suffering from Gore's disease, prescribe this book and in 24hrs they will be all better.

cheers

BS

[edit on 9-5-2008 by blimpseeker]

Eh, I dunno about that dude. It's a fiction book. That's like telling someone who believes in the merits of stem cell research, genetic engineering etc. to read Jurassic Park to "cure" them of their delusions. Or to tell someone to read The Da Vinci Code to "cure" them of their misplaced faith in the Catholic Church. Fiction, though it can be based on reality (or presumed realities) is NOT REALITY.

Born, good catch with the "Scienitology" good laugh. BUT, I still am looking for any quote by Al Gore that says, "I invented the internet".
How is that global warming going on Mars these days?
...am I missing something but aren't some of you people that say GW is a myth or some other sheet, saying that....it is the sun, it is cow farts, it is shift, it is cyclical, it is ..... don't you think that the combination of all of that may have something to do with anything? Could it be that GW is a result of everything working together like a fine cookie reciepe?
I honestly don't see where the debate is? Are we alone causing it? Who thinks that dumb arse way? .....I don't have the patients to argue that the world is round if you want to say it is flat. (Hey, I even saw an ATS thread that argued that the world "was" flat.) funny as hell.
Anyway. Expect fun things in the weather, I can't afford a SUV and I just want to get off the grid. I don't care what happens but to say that GW is a myth or lie...well that is flat earth funny.

Hmmmmmm. Did not Nostradomus write of a new religion that was supposed to be presented to us around this time period. Could it be the Church of Global Warming? Just a thought. Anyone know more about this?

i never bought the whole global warming thing. i always thought that we were coming out of an ice age because the sun was warming up. i never really listened to Gore.

Originally posted by anti us gov
i never bought the whole global warming thing. i always thought that we were coming out of an ice age because the sun was warming up. i never really listened to Gore.

Such common sense is surely the result of oil company bribes.

So if the science is the lack of Water vapour could the global cloud seeding be the cause?

After all with the lack of natural cloud formation over land perhaps the result is greater problematic clouds?

reply to post by audas

Please, not more of this BS.

There is a tremendous irony in calling oneself "green" after reducing one's "carbon footprint". CO2 helps the biosphere, warmth (at least as far as the IPCC "predicts" it) helps the biosphere. In all likelyhood the man driving the hummer to work is more "green" than the man driving the hybrid or biodiesel to work.

That's assuming the hummer has any effect at all.

We do know that making the biodiesel equals a waste of food and a rediculously low-efficiency output (due to the energy required to produce biodiesel). We do know that to mine the metal to make the hybrid's battery, unfathomable localized ecological damage takes place. We do know that to force "green" techs upon starving Africans will ensure that their starvation is continued.

A bit of rhetoric for a bit of rhetoric.

Didn't read everything here, but my 2 cents...

Global warming is a bunch of BS. Nothing more to say there and I wish Gore would shut his lying 'pumpkin-pie hole' on it, as well.

Climate change is very real and is being *mostly* caused by the sun cycle we are currently experiencing. No more... no less. Enough with the hype over all this already Deal with it as it comes and move on with your lives.

[edit on 5/10/2008 by RabbitChaser]

Hi There,

I think this is a debate that will rage on for quite sometime, with one side pushing for action, and the other pushing to keep it at the debating stage, where no action is yet legally required, thus profits are not hit.

Whatever you want to call it, global warming, climate change, man's impact upon the planet that is his home, and the home of countless other creatures, many of which seem to be disappearing for one reason or another, it is a measurable and quantified fact that man does indeed contribute to changes in his environment, both locally and global.

We pollute both the air and the seas, our large cities around the world suffer smog, but perhaps, that is down to the sun warming up - even though we are supposed to be entering a low sunspot phase. I am sure that if we are all honest with ourselves - yet we can still continue to kid each other, we know in our hearts how we are intuiting the changes with each passing year. We have fought wars that have directly impacted upon the environment where they occurred, and have created devastating losses to both crops and man himself...but of course, our activities play no part in changes to the environment.

The sun is getting hotter some say, whilst others explain why we are observing this, and put it down to quantified evidence that the sun is actually expanding. It is larger now than it was say 300 years ago. The earth in its diurnal orbit receives a lot more solar energy, and is actually displacing out of its positional comfort zone band relative to its star. This is not because the earth has physically moved closer to the sun, but that the intensity of the sun's solar radiation has increased due to solar expansion.

Now the issue with all this extra heat being recieved from the sun by the earth is that it is getting trapped by our pollution-gases. This trapped heat is normally circulated around the globe to help the planet cool, but in doing this, the weather systems intensify, because there is more available energy around. In theory then, hurricanes and cyclones will remain strong even passing over land, where normally they dissapate. Also, continuing the idea, the extra heat moved around the planet will warm up areas that normally remain at certain cool temperatures. Thus, Greenland's and Siberia's permafrost is thawing, the danger of which, particularly with Siberia, is the potential of mass release of natural methane, which is a worse greenhouse gas than carbon. This makes the whole issue a spiralling road to global disaster.

Into the mix you can throw the industrial polluters whom do not want to miss out on a penny's profit. They absolutely do not give a # about the planet, the environment, or you and your family's future...hence the obsfucation they succeed in bringing to the debate...you don't need proof, just doubt, and that messes up the whole thing. Climate change is fact, and the best way to think about it is to view it as a car being driven erratically down a road, one minute it is on the right side of the road, the next, it is on the wrong side. So our climate is swinging widly about in some parts of the world, whereas in others it seems quite normal...then it all switches direction like some crazy drunk. Basically, the climate is destabilising as the extra heat is moved around the planet in vast chunks of heat.

Here in the Uk, February of this year was phenomenally warm, with two weeks of unbroken sunshine, never since records began has that ever happend. Don't get me wrong, it was a welcome respite from the usual cold and wet grey gloom we normally have, but in some other part of the world, floods were happening.

Climate change is fact, and the actual debate about it is pointless and moot. Already there have been devastating storms in the US, throwing down tornadoes like there was no tomorrow, destroying communities as they passed. Burma too has recently suffered intensely. Who's next I wonder? I bet we won't have long to find out!

What is wrong with you people ?

The solar cycle theory was raised over ten years ago and has only recently been dug up by the thoroughly discredited "Great Global Warming Swindle". It is not a theory - it is completely debunked, please keep up !

The idea of global warming does not deny previous warming and coolings - nor future coolings - the sun will eventually cool and we will freeze - this is NOT THE POINT ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING!!! OK! Pointing to previous coolings and warmings simply points out that you have no idea what the debate is about whatsoever and are simply sprouting off.

Seriously the global warming denialists have about as much science on their side as Intelligent Designers.

There are many factors in global warming - some areas of the planet will gain in rainfall, others will dry up - local effects are hard to predict. Further the planet will not increase one year to the next - but rather on a long term trend.

The cyclical pattern of the planet is that we should have been heading into another cooling period at the stage of the planets cycle - the planet right now is over heated - the dire situation is that we have initiated a Green house effect of emitting excess quantities of carbon which will trap and further heat the earth at a crucial time when it should be cooling.

YES we have had hotter periods before, YES we have have had more carbon before, YES there are cycles - the difference this time - with absolute certainty- is that right now we have effected this natural cycle and are impacting it in a manner which causes it to heat.

Which one of you cant take a look out your window and see that the entire world has been modified TOTALLY by humans and NOT think this would have some impact? You would have to be an absolute freak to think that this kind of terra forming on such a massive scale is not going to have an impact. Plain Bonkers.

Now we can measure the parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere (or do you think all science is just a fraud and plane should fall out of ths sky ) and right now we are about 380 ppm - and heading for 450 ppm at which point the Antarctic will fail. Now even if this is a natural cycle - and reducing our carbon output will mitigate this even should we not do it ?

The ocean is experiencing deep sea dead zones which were initially confined to the coastal and fresh water systems through nutrient run off ( fertiliser for the scientifically challenged) - we are now experiencing dead zones from oxygen depletion through increased water temperatures - further the oceans it has been recently revealed are reaching maximum absorption levels - meaning we are going to see some fairly radical feed back loops.

Recently scientist in Greenland stood and watched a 3 square kilometre lake on the ice sheet empty in less that 90 minutes -

Global Warming is completely real - it is also thoroughly terrifying - however waht I find more terrifying is the fact that people through their own ignorance, arrogance, and simple stubbornness are willing to sacrifice all of our futures - this ego mania is simply horrendous to say the least - and it finds its worst advocates in the United States - as always - war, oil, greed, ignorance. There is no debate any where else in the world, none, it is a purely American Phenomenon which fits perfectly in line with the almost universal accepted view of Americans as being the most ignorant citizens on earth.

To say that BUSH is on the side of the GW theorists is sick. He may have in the past couple of months (since the Australian election when the ONLY REMAINING DENIALIST IN JOHN HOWARD was thrown out in a landslide) he was left holding the baby and conceeded there may be something to it - but please - ridiculous comment if ever i heard one.


[edit on 10-5-2008 by audas]

Originally posted by budski


No offense, but that's hardly a scientific approach.

Plus, you do know that the earth has cycles which are related to solar activity?

Can't remember the length of the cycles - 12 years? sunspots? - but they have been definitely observed and proven, which would account for variable weather over short periods.

yes im aware of the cycles, are you aware the cycles are getting warmer than ever before in human history?
as for my scientific approach whats wrong with it? is it because i dont have a fancy title? science is the observations of the universe around us what was i doing when i saw my roses were in bloom during december? i was making an observation and my observation concluded that it was december it should have been too cold for plants to bloom but by some miracle it all of the flowers in my city were in bloom. im sure this was the case elsewhere also.

Science was started on observations like my observation of the rose bushes. I never claimed my observations to be scientific proof but i did say that roses in december means that something is wrong. would you agree with that?

[edit on 10-5-2008 by caballero]

reply to post by budski


The church of Gore?

So are you an opponent of climate change science solely because Al Gore isn't? Seems a lot of you folks are like that - "Well, if Al Gore says it's so, it must be false!"

And to think, I had you pegged as a rational thinker. Sad to see you're just another unflushable propagandist. Church of Gore, indeed

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Well, gore isn't about climate change - he's about AGW which is drivel, especially when couched in his terms.

NONE of it is anywhere near proven.

Originally posted by budski
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

Well, gore isn't about climate change - he's about AGW which is drivel, especially when couched in his terms.

NONE of it is anywhere near proven.

Excluding--perhaps--Mathematics NOTHING within the realms of Science is PROVEN, and NOTHING ever will be, sheesh. NOTHING. That very notion that something can be irrevocably PROVEN is anathema to the fundamental nature of scientific theory.

You may, however, prove or disprove whether a phenomenon is currently happening...Global Warming, in your eyes, has yet to be proven. But it is closer to affirmation than rejection.

[edit on 10-5-2008 by Threadfall]